Election ’08: I-1000 event tomorrow; Prop 1 forum report

While Election Day is technically still 13 days away, checkbox.jpgso many people vote by mail that it’s become more like Election Weeks. The presidential and governor’s races are getting lots of play, but you’ll be making other meaningful decisions too – particularly when it comes to several state and local ballot measures. One of the state initiatives, I-1000, “Death With Dignity,” will be explored at a forum tomorrow night at West Seattle High School, sponsored by the WS Ministerial Association, with speakers expected from both sides, 7:30 pm. Meantime, the most-debated local measure on the ballot — Sound Transit Proposition 1, raising the sales tax half a cent — got a thorough airing at this week’s Sustainable West Seattle meeting. If you’re guessing it was a warm, friendly pro-Prop 1 crowd since sustainability and transit seem to go together — not entirely:

By the end of the forum, at least two outspoken attendees had used the same line: “I’m willing to wait for the right plan.” For them, this one does not appear to be that plan. But let’s backtrack:

Proposition 1 is Sound Transit’s second try in two years to get more expansion money. Last year’s measure included road projects – this time around, it’s all transit.

For the Sustainable West Seattle event, the group invited transit advocates on both sides of Proposition 1 – Tim Gould from the Sierra Club, which has endorsed the measure (though it opposed last year’s Sound Transit ballot initiative), and Emory Bundy from Citizens for Effective Transportation Alternatives, which opposes it.

Each was given 15 minutes to make his case; then rebuttals and questions ensued.

Gould began, with the understatement of the night: “It’s been a long twisted history to get to this point,” followed quickly by “it comes down to what kind of a transit future you really want to see.”

He summarized the main points of Sound Transit Prop 1 (text here), extending light rail to Lynnwood (north), Federal Way (south), and Bellevue/Redmond; beefing up Sounder commuter-rail service “from 18 trains a day on the Seattle-Tacoma route to 30 trains a day on that run at full buildout”; and increasing express-bus service, starting next year.

Total cost, $17.9 billion over 15 years (“in year-of-expenditure dollars,” he noted). The Sierra Club’s not that thrilled about this money coming from a sales-tax increase, Gould said, but “that’s all that Sound Transit has available in the current framework … aside from action by the Legislature; we might be able to look at shifting revenue to another source in the future.”

Speaking of sources, Gould also pointed out that light rail is all-electric, “which means it makes use of Pacific Northwest hydropower” and reduces carbon dioxide. His bottom line seemed to boil down to “we have to do SOMETHING.”

In beginning his argument against Sound Transit Prop 1, Bundy noted that he has spent decades advocating for the environment, energy, and civil rights. His approach was heavily analytical and laden with numbers, such as: Even if the goals under this proposal are met, he contends, transit’s share of the transportation market will only rise to four percent (from 3%) by 2030. “I don’t think 1 in 25 trips by transit will get us where we need to go,” he contended. “There are ways that are so much better.”

Pressed before long to elaborate on those “ways,” he continued to rely on arguments against the measure more than arguments for anything else, with more numbers, such as an average cost of $350 million per mile of light rail, average cost of $650 million per station, adding 62,000 more transit trips by 2030 out of what is projected to be 15 million daily trips in the Sound Transit coverage area (King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties).

However, his numbers also seemed to be trying to make the case to add more buses, as well as raising questions about why some of this funding would go toward the completion of projects that were supposed to be in Sound Transit’s 1996 “ten-year plan” for 21 miles of light rail.

Energetically complaining about that point, Bundy acknowledged, “I’m venting a bit” while also accusing Sound Transit of not keeping its promises about Sounder service levels. Right now, he said, “regional express buses carry 77 percent of all Sound Transit trips.” He went on to call ST a “small player: local agencies have 4.9 million service hours per year, and Metro Transit wants you to vote for 17.9 billion dollars so they can add 100,000 (service hours).”

Pressed further to elaborate on what he would support in lieu of this, Bundy offered, “We could be making tremendous use of vanpools” (WSB aside: Note this Sunday event in West Seattle) — as well as vanpooling incentives, bicycling, bus passes, and flexible working hours.

While acknowledging that the Sound Transit measure vote could be “confusing,” SWS president Bill Reiswig reacted to Bundy’s points with, “… the door is closing on our petroleum way of life, and we have to come up with solutions.” Another attendee added that no one should be lulled into complacency by the current gas-price rollback: “We really do need to get started in providing good choices.”

The system expansion itself may not be the only benefit, Gould interjected at that point – “In Portland, because of increased traffic, they’ve now seen that over the course of a decade, the average trip made for work has declined from 10 miles to 7 miles – people are choosing to live closer to where they work, or work closer to where they live.”

Still, another attendee pointed out that the Sound Transit measure “doesn’t do much for West Seattle.” (As noted in this WSB report, and elsewhere, it includes money to study the possibility of future light rail from here, but none of the rail extensions or bus additions it funds are slated to directly serve West Seattle.)

Also from the audience, a declaration that “we spend $10 billion a year on cars … We need to be building up the transit infrastructure we have been neglecting.”

Local activist/advocate Chas Redmond spoke up shortly afterward to declare himself an “absolutely pro-transit individual, but stunned at Sound Transit. We’re trying to create a system which is incredibly costly and taking an unbelievable amount of time to finish, a system which is capacity-limited.” He went on to point to a Maryland Transit Authority project with a lower pricetag and shorter timeline (the “Purple Line”) and said the Sound Transit plan looks to him like “the wrong system for the wrong reasons,” while saying he’s OK with waiting longer for the “right” plan, which another attendee echoed moments later.

To read the text of Sound Transit Proposition 1 for yourself, go here; for supporters’ website, go here; opponents’ website, here. Also note some spirited discussion in the comments following this WSB post.

14 Replies to "Election '08: I-1000 event tomorrow; Prop 1 forum report"

  • Forest October 22, 2008 (9:36 pm)

    Sound Transit doesn’t have and never did have any intention to “study,” much less to construct, future light rail to West Seattle. At numerous public meetings well before it selected the locations and bought the land for its light rail stations, ST knowingly and repeatedly blew off requests/suggestions from West Seattle residents and business owners that one of the light rail stations be built in line with the WS Bridge to offer a potential light rail connection.

  • Ken Davis October 22, 2008 (9:48 pm)

    Just who is the WS Ministerial Association and does anyone expect them to be even slightly impartial?

    Vote for I-1000 and ignore their attempt at guilt mongering.

    Authoritarianism only works when you let religion over rule reason.

  • Alia October 22, 2008 (9:57 pm)

    I will be voting YES on ST Prop 1!

  • Jackson October 22, 2008 (11:02 pm)

    Forest: you’re wrong. Money is specifically allocated in the ST 2 plan http://future.soundtransit.org to study a West Seattle light rail line.

    If you remember correctly, the phase 1 light rail plan – approved by voters – did not include a West Seattle spur of any kind. You will also recall that Chas Redmond’s monorail gang specifically fended off any light rail connections when ST was doing their future planning exercise in 2005. Remember the Green Line, which was going to be up and running next year, on time and under budget?

    As is usually the case, the knocks against light rail and the agency building it are based on total fabrications.

  • WSB October 22, 2008 (11:10 pm)

    The specific West Seattle mention is on this page:
    http://future.soundtransit.org/details.aspx

  • westwood October 23, 2008 (12:34 am)

    Chas is a great guy and I admire him for his tireless work on trails and many other good things, but he is flat out wrong on much of what he says in his quote.

    He claims that the system is “capacity limited” while ignoring the fact that all stations are built to handle four car trains carrying up to 800 people every two minutes. Each station platform is almost the length of a football field. Contrast that with Chas’ beloved monorail with its 90 foot platforms–the distance to first base.

    Then he points to the Purple Line in Maryland. Thanks for the link, Tracy. If you go to the website you see that this proposed line is far earlier in design than ST. They haven’t even decided on BRT or Light Rail yet. The specific route hasn’t even been chosen. They are in very early design. I clicked around and didn’t find the cost numbers, so I don’t think the agency is really touting the cost yet. You would think Chas would have learned from the monorail debacle that you can’t get realistic cost estimates until you get to at least 30% design. Sound Transit’s plans have been reviewed and approved by several expert review panels outside ST.

    I would also point out that Seattle ain’t Maryland. Maryland is far more flat and there is already tons of transit there, they are just adding another line in the area. Proposition 1 is committing to building 36 miles of new rail to match the 16 opening next year and University Link soon. We are digging our way out of a 40 year hole where we watched almost every city in America build rail while we dithered. Rail moves tons of people on the main corridors and influences smart development around station areas. By running rail to the University District, Northgate, downtown Bellevue, and other destinations we will be able to redirect the service of hundreds of buses daily to better serve our neighborhoods.

    As for those who want to wait, I expect the wait to be long if Proposition 1 fails. Sound Transit 2 has study money for Downtown-West Seattle-Burien-Southcenter in the plan. It also has an amendment pushed by Larry Phillips and Dow Constantine that specifies that the study corridors are the top priority in any future expansion. The time to start is right now.

  • WSB October 23, 2008 (1:00 am)

    Just want to be sure it’s clear that Chas is quoted above as an audience member (about 20 people were on hand at the SWS meeting), not as a panelist – the only two official speakers were Gould and Bundy.
    Meantime, the Maryland example is interesting and the comment above made me want to know more … I know it’s stylish to denigrate Wikipedia but it can be a decent aggregator and this W’pedia page on that project seems to have a fair amount of links, for anyone interested:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-County_Transitway
    OTOH, wrt “bus rapid transit,” our own future RapidRide was brought up during the SWS forum (and kudos to SWS again for organizing one – this really is an issue that people should be able to discuss and examine in person in the various neighborhoods, but it takes a group like this to have the initiative and then go to the trouble to arrange for guest speakers and agenda time). I didn’t include it here because it was something of a sidenote and not a project directly involved with what’s in the Sound Transit ballot package – TR

  • BR October 23, 2008 (3:48 am)

    A word from a Purple Line advocate in Maryland. We have been fighting for this project for 20 years. Opponents always point to something else – underground heavy rail, monorail, bus rapid transit – first our project is too cheap, then it’s too expensive.

    For some history see here:
    http://www.innerpurpleline.org/townofChevyChase.htm

  • WSB October 23, 2008 (4:22 am)

    Thanks for dropping by!
    Around here, I just wish somebody had had the foresight NOT to rip out the streetcar lines that crisscrossed the city in the early decades of the 20th century … Imagine going back in time and saying “Hey. Listen. This ‘car’ thing is going to sound great for a while, and you’re going to want to clear everything out of its path, but then you’re going to find out about traffic, and oil prices, and …”

  • WS Native October 23, 2008 (9:23 am)

    Seriously. I-5 doesn’t come anywhere near my house. In fact, it is farther from my house than the light rail line. I-90 is farther still. But I use them. They are regional transporation facilities. And I will use light rail too since, unlike I-5 and I-90, rail will deliver me to my destination (Downtown, UW, Northgate, Bellevue, Microsoft, Sea-Tac, etc.) exactly on time, without the risk/likelihood of getting stuck in traffic. And I will be able to ride much-improved bus service, both from the “Transit Now” additions and from the buses freed up by light rail, to get to that rail network and to my local appointments. And, the sooner we get this next step done, the sooner we can move on to the next phase, which includes getting the rest of the way to Everett, Redmond and Tacoma, as well as across the river (no mean feat) to West Seattle.

  • JEM October 23, 2008 (10:31 am)

    The longer we wait to do something the worse it gets and the more it costs. We are definitely behind the times. Even if we in WS are not directly served, regional improvements affect us all as a community.

  • Mickymse October 23, 2008 (2:22 pm)

    Let’s be perfectly clear here like some of us were about the monorail a few years ago… when we told you a vote against would mean nothing to West Seattle for 25+ years.

    If you don’t Vote YES on Sound Transit’s Proposition 1 there will be NOTHING more planned for West Seattle in the coming decades besides increased bus service from Metro. Period.

    If you want intermediate capacity transit to West Seattle, then this is the plan you have to vote on. If you don’t like it, then where the heck have you been when all of your fellow neighbors and citizens were working on this over the past few years?

  • J October 23, 2008 (3:37 pm)

    Here’s a succinct article detailing the myths that “derail” (so to speak) transit in Seattle:

  • J October 23, 2008 (3:38 pm)

    Uh, oh–I failed to correctly include the link. The article is “Seattle never ‘misses a chance to miss a chance’ on light rail” and here’s the link:

    http://crosscut.com/2008/10/23/transportation/18584

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