Another door-to-door story: Asking about kids?

If anyone has info that this is a legitimate door-to-door survey, it would be nice to hear … otherwise we would agree with Karma, who sent us the report, that the line of questioning is potentially unsettling:

Hello, just thought I’d share another door to door solicitor
experience that just happened in my Genesee area home at 8:15
tonight… a college aged young man, dark hair, Latino, around 5’6 to
5’10?, with an identification card on a lanyard around his neck,
knocked on my door tonight. The front door was open and the screen was
closed. Porch light off. He asked if I was “the mother of the house”.
I was a little confused about the question, then he introduced himself
as Gabriel, a college student from UCLA who was looking to talk to
parents of children high school to toddler age, do I have any children
in that age range? Even though I do, I said no, in an effort to get
rid of him… he made some kind of note in a basic spiral notebook, I
glanced and it looked like he had made a basic map of the houses on
the street, maybe? He said was talking to some parents in my
neighborhood and didn’t want to miss me. Asked if I know of any other
parents of children of that age in my neighborhood. I asked why would
I tell him about the children in my neighborhood if I didn’t know him
or why he was at my door? He said, I did introduce myself and that I’m
speaking about educational materials. He went to open a binder to show
me something, but I told him no, you didn’t tell me why you’re at my
door and no, I didn’t have time to talk. I closed the door.

I’m never happy about solicitors but when strangers come to the door
to talk to me about my child and the children in the neighborhood, my
mama bear hackles are raised. I’m a teacher, too, and I can’t imagine
why someone would go door to door about educational materials, or
would want to talk with parents right at the bedtime hour. It could be
an innocent reason, but it’s just not feeling right to me.

As usual, we’ll add the footnote here that door-to-door solicitors are supposed to have and show licenses; the city code governing solicitors is in the resource section at the bottom of our Crime Watch page.

31 Replies to "Another door-to-door story: Asking about kids?"

  • Irukandji September 4, 2008 (10:39 pm)

    Thanks for the update Karma!

  • MargL September 4, 2008 (10:48 pm)

    Crrrrrreeepy!

  • mellaw6565 September 4, 2008 (11:14 pm)

    He came to our house about 4-5 months ago. He was persistent because he thought the neighbor kids visiting were my kids and that they would benefit from the materials. I couldn’t really get him to pin down who made the materials (as a teacher I was interested). It was kind of weird but I didn’t sense any danger.

  • alison September 4, 2008 (11:18 pm)

    That is just too weird and creepy!

  • Jeff September 4, 2008 (11:27 pm)

    We had one of those solicitors a couple of weeks ago in Arbor Heights. It really creeped me out because the guy answered the door like he knew me mentioning me by name and asked about my kids.

    Then I found out that he got that info from an elderly neighbor! Before he left after I made it clear that I WAS creeped out.. he had the gall to ask me about any other houses I knew of in the neighborhood that had school aged kids!!

    Anyways what he said he was selling was textbooks for home tutoring..

  • LB September 5, 2008 (12:00 am)

    If this is the same guy that came to our house, he had books that addressed non-fiction topics for kids. Time of day was weird, being a couple hours after dinner. When I told him that I don’t buy from my front door, he gave me a website and his full name that I could enter to learn more about him. I did go to the website, but left his name upstairs, so I don’t know if he was really part of it or not. He came back a couple nights later to follow up with me, and when I said that I wasn’t interested, he didn’t put up much of a fight. He reacted like he had heard a lot of that. The whole interaction reminded me of traveling encyclopedia salesman of old.

  • ilivehere September 5, 2008 (12:04 am)

    Karma, thank you very much for sending this information to WSB!!! I truly appreciate the warning and will be passing this information on to my daycare and Mom friends in the neighborhood so they can keep an eye out. Admittedly I tend to be VERY skeptical whenever someone uninvited comes to my door to get information or sell something and almost immediately whenever someone is questioning about children. However, the following questions come to my mind immediately:
    1. What is a UCLA student doing in Seatte?
    2. Wouldn’t a UCLA student be in Los Angeles about now to start classes?
    3. Why would a highly credited University like UCLA ever advocate to their students to do any sort of door-to-door activity in today’s day in age for their safety and the safety of those at home?
    4. Wouldn’t I like to know the name of the company of the educational products he was trying to show so I could contact them for authenticity?
    5. I wonder if the SPD has had any complaints about this already?

    Thanks again for bringing this information to the public.

  • another one to add to the list September 5, 2008 (4:59 am)

    I also encountered the same person on 49th Avenue near Genessee. I cut him off before he started, saying that I did not do business with solicitors. He then asked about my neighbor next door and again I cut him off by saying that I didn’t know anything about them.

  • JH September 5, 2008 (6:18 am)

    I’m pretty sure the creepy dude isn’t a student at UCLA…

  • KL September 5, 2008 (6:54 am)

    Pardon my ignorance, but is it legal to photograph a person at one’s door without their permission?

  • pam September 5, 2008 (7:55 am)

    He was here a week or so ago – off Stevens and 49th. I wasn’t happy with my neighbor for giving him my name, and when he asked if there were other families on the block with children I fibbed and told him that it was mostly older people with no kids. The only thing I buy if someone comes to my door is girl scout and campfire cookies or little league candy!!

  • Stacey September 5, 2008 (8:07 am)

    Has anyone had a “visitor” come by from DP promotions… I think that’s what it was called. We live by the retirement center on Admiral Way. 2 guys were in our neighborhood “not selling anything or looking for a charitable donation”. Just trying to “earn points” to get promoted and you can renew a magazine subscription with them or purchase childrens’ books so they can earn more points. I was very confused by the fast talker from Louisianna. He was very chatty with me but as soon as my husband came to the door and said if this involes any money coming from our pocket, we’re not interested. He was very quick to ask if he could use a lighter (for his cigarette) and leave. Maybe it’s legit, maybe it’s not. In this day and age it’s just uncomfortable to have someone you don’t know come to your door.

  • CMP September 5, 2008 (8:13 am)

    I agree with ilivehere…since most universities are on semesters, chances are pretty good he should actually be at UCLA in class right now instead of selling books door to door in Seattle. I’d also be a little irked with my neighbors for giving out personal information to a stranger. Even if it seems harmless, it’s an odd request.

  • one more to add to the list September 5, 2008 (8:16 am)

    “Gabriel” came to our house in Fauntlee Hills about 3 weeks ago. Normally I don’t answer the door to strangers but he just kept ringing the bell – the door was slightly open so he knew someone was at home. He asked if I was the “mom of the house” which I thought was an odd thing to ask. I don’t have any children but he still asked if I would be interested in educational materials! He was keen to know about children in the area but I told him I didn’t know of any. It was a very strange experience.

  • MAS September 5, 2008 (8:33 am)

    KL –

    You can photograph anyone if they have no “reasonable expectation of privacy” which includes any public place, and very positively on your property.

    Here’s an admittedly non-authoritative (but accurate) link to an explanation:

    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2005-12-29-camera-laws_x.htm

    The interesting thing here is that most likely you also have the right to publish such a photograph…

  • krystal September 5, 2008 (8:36 am)

    I am not sure about the picture thing, but maybe you inform him that you like to take pictures of anyone who asks information of your family, due to the increase in identity theft or suspicious activity in the area, or whatever. If he freaks out, that may be cause to take a picture. If he is legit (which I don’t think he is), he probably wouldn’t have a problem with it, or would be able to provide more information at least as to why it is not necessary for you to take a picture. I would take the picture anyhow. He is on your property right? (not sure about what other laws might prevent you from taking picture on your own property, but I may be wrong…)

  • krystal September 5, 2008 (8:36 am)

    Sorry, I wrote before I saw the picture link above. Good link!

  • Brandon September 5, 2008 (8:54 am)

    UW students are not in school right now, and not all kids at the UW are from Seattle, so get off the “he can’t go to UCLA because he’s not from LA” trip. UCLA starts 9/25.
    That said, Gabe came to our house also in Fairmount about 1-2 weeks ago because a neighbor gave him our name too (I wasn’t too thrilled but I have no problem saying no to DTD). He gave the same similar story about gathering information about educational materials. I asked him what company he represented and he said “South West”, There is a SouthWest publisher of student textbooks, I have some myself. But I too, sent him on his merry way as my radar was beeping. It would make some sense if he was looking to sell home schooling products.

  • Rosanna September 5, 2008 (9:05 am)

    One of my girlfriends in college actually sold books like this for a summer job. It’s a pretty big industry. She went to the UW, but was sent to New York to live in a teeny/dirty hotel while she slummed “text books” to every walking person on the street. She worked hellacious hours, but she actually made a lot of money because there are people that will buy and that’s why we still get these people going door-to-door today…at the end of the day, they do make money. The magazine/points solicitation is the same sort of thing.
    It sounds like this guy asking about children is using the WRONG sales strategy. He could be harmless, but like others that have commented, I am also skeptical and protective of my family and home. It doesn’t pay to be naive regarding your safety or foolish to buy from your door step.

  • ilivehere September 5, 2008 (10:24 am)

    Brandon, you need to get off your “trip”. I never indicated that “he can’t go to UCLA, because he’s not from LA”. The story posted implied that he was there representing UCLA. And the point of my questions were to imply that it’s highly unlikely UCLA would send a student to Seattle to go DTD to discuss children educational products. All of the other posts made far more sense of this event.

  • Brandon September 5, 2008 (11:22 am)

    1. What is a UCLA student doing in Seatte?
    People are implying ‘a creepy dude can’t be from UCLA”. you implied why would a student from UCLA be in Seattle. Why not??
    2. Wouldn’t a UCLA student be in Los Angeles about now to start classes?
    One search and 3 clicks would give you UCLA’s academic schedule.
    Its fine to have the radar up. But the accusations that are flying with no defense from the salesman “is creepy” in itself too. Yes, i have two toddlers also.

  • JH September 5, 2008 (11:33 am)

    Just google “door to door sales fraud” and you’ll learn some things. Many people have been convicted of such scams.

  • Ted September 5, 2008 (12:00 pm)

    Whoa !

    Everyone needs to calm down just a little. This guy also came to my house 2-3 weeks ago – same story and completely legit. I understand everyone’s apprehension – but we need to use good judgement when these people approach. He IS selling books – and I politely told him we did not need any.

    End of story – he walked away.

    Sometimes i wonder if us folks in WS get a little hysterical over simple things. Look at how many houses the guy approached to sell – sounds like a saleman – and that’s it.

    Oh the horror !!!

  • Elikapeka September 5, 2008 (12:08 pm)

    He’s been to our neighborhood in Sunrise Heights a few weeks ago. I honestly didn’t think much about it at the time. He told us right away that he was selling “educational materials” for kids, and since we don’t have any, that was the end of that. He did ask about other families on the block with kids, and we just told him that everybody’s kids were grown and gone, which is true for the most part in our area. I didn’t get any creepy vibes from the guy, just figured he didn’t want to waste his time with househoulds that didn’t meet his target market.

  • Brandon September 5, 2008 (12:23 pm)

    Ted & Elikapeka – bingo! That was my experience also. Kids are a sensitive subject near and dear to us. But he wasn’t that creepy and he politely left when we said we weren’t interested. He does need to touch up on his sales skills thou. ;)

  • Rachel September 5, 2008 (12:27 pm)

    This same guy came through our Fauntleroy neighborhood recently. Since my husband is an elementary school teacher, it was easy for me to get rid of him. What bothered me was he asked which families on my block had kids. I told him I wasn’t going to tell him because I knew they didn’t want door-to-door salesmen coming to their homes. I also gave a recent magazine salesman a false name because I didn’t want him going to my neighbors and saying that I had sent him to them.

  • JH September 5, 2008 (2:21 pm)

    Ted-I don’t think anyone’s getting hysterical here. We’re just watching out for each other. Crime occurs in these kinds of situations, such as identity theft, burglary, theft, etc…

    Not to sound like a know-it-all, but I know what I’m talking about. Let’s just say this guy would be interrogated at my door!

  • Lisa B. September 5, 2008 (2:56 pm)

    Two girls from UCLA came to my home in Burien about a month or so ago. They were also selling some books, and I had no suspicions of them whatsoever, and I didn’t hesitate to talk to them. I don’t remember them asking me if I was the mom of the house. Terrible thing to say, but I probably would have been much more suspicious and stand-offish if it was a guy at my door. Geez, I gotta start being more careful!

  • Karma September 5, 2008 (11:52 pm)

    Hello, I’m the original poster and I’m still glad that I wrote to WSB about this solicitor. It sounds like this salesperson is legitimate but I don’t like strangers asking about my child or the children in my neighborhood.

    Do the “No Solicitors” signs really work? We have sure had a lot of door to door solicitations over the past few years and have been thinking of getting one.

  • lipbone September 6, 2008 (8:22 am)

    I don’t think people in WS are any more paranoid or skeptical than anywhere else.

    My theory is simple, if I didn’t invite you onto my property and you aren’t a known quantity, you are selling something or trying to gain information that isn’t yours to have (same thing applies to the phone). Politics, religion, books, siding, confidence… you name it. I don’t know you and I don’t trust you.

    I don’t care if you are a college student trying to make your way. I don’t care how nice you are. I don’t care what you believe your intentions are. The goal is to win my confidence so that I do feel I trust you. That’s why it’s called a confidence game. Because, in the end, I don’t need what you are selling. If I did, I’d have already gone out and found it myself.

    More than 10 years ago, homebound folks had few options of convenience and door-to-door sales was a relatively honest business model that filled their needs. While the internet isn’t exactly a model of trustworthiness, homebound folks have it as a perfectly good replacement. They can even do research and consider their alternatives before they click “buy”. No pressure but what they put on themselves.

  • B September 23, 2008 (9:02 pm)

    I got one today. Young man (dirty) white button down. Well maintained dreadlocks. Didn’t see any visible ID or company name and I didn’t ask.

    I began by telling him that I wouldn’t be buying anything. He just ignored this and began his speil about how he was from Atlanta and trying to make something of his life and was trying to ‘do the right thing’. He showed me some folder with some handwritten names and numbers (didn’t see any magazine list anywhere). He was pretty interested in explaining to me that I wouldn’t be giving him ‘money’ per-se, just ‘points’.

    Then he tries to lay some kind of twisted guilt trip sell on me. Asking probing background questions looking for dangling heart-string to pull on. This goes on for several minutes, to no avail.

    Then, visibly angry that his sales tactic is ‘mysteriously’ failing, he goes on a rant (essentially) about how I only care about myself and live a life of luxury, etc, etc.

    Finally he leaves in a huff.

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