When did ignorance become a viable policy??

[DBP]

OK. So let’s say that no facts on gun violence are being gathered by the government. I’m pretty sure that’s not true, but let’s suppose it is.

Tell me: What kind of government-reported facts do you think would be more persuasive than newspaper headlines screaming about the latest gun-related tragedy? There’s a new tragedy every week and yet gun-rights supporters remain unmoved.

So it can’t be a matter of them being ignorant of the facts. Gotta be something more going on there.

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[dobro]

The kind of facts that need to be gathered are those that would be collected and interpreted by the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) and reframe the gun debate as a public health problem. The Republicans cut the budget for such research precisely for that reason. Which, even tho you are “pretty sure that’s not true”, is actually true. Thus the difference between “facts” and “denial of facts” which some people reframe as “interpretation”.

I agree that many gun nuts will not be moved by any facts laid out in front of them. That would illustrate a case of willful ignorance.

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[JoB]

DBP

you should fact check yourself before thinking something isn’t true..

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[DBP]

The Republicans cut the budget for such research precisely for that reason. Which, even tho you are “pretty sure that’s not true”, is actually true.

dobro, I know you hate it when other people put words in your mouth, so please have the courtesy not to put words in mine.

Where did I say or imply anything about Republicans not cutting the budget?

Where?

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[DBP]

I agree that many gun nuts will not be moved by any facts laid out in front of them. That would illustrate a case of willful ignorance.

OK, dobro. Let’s break this one down to its most basic components . . .

Question: If you disagree with my sense of the relative importance of a fact, does that mean you are denying that it is a fact?

Question: If you disagree with my sense of the relative importance of a fact, does that mean that you are “ignorant” of it as a fact?

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[dobro]

“So let’s say that no facts on gun violence are being gathered by the government. I’m pretty sure that’s not true, but let’s suppose it is.”

The fact is, no facts are being gathered by the gov’t, even tho you’re “pretty sure that’s not true”. I explained the reason it is true. You did not say anything about Republicans, I did. In order to illustrate why the thing you are pretty sure is not true is, in fact, true. So no words were put in your mouth.

Q1:The fact that I may disagree with your “sense” does not change things that are facts.

Q2:If I disagree with your attitude towards a fact that doesn’t make me ignorant of the fact itself.

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