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November 17, 2012 at 2:56 am #777025
JoBParticipantJV..
“I think I’ll take my own advice and let you enjoy finger-painting without any interruptions from me.”
our choice.
i have no investment in your future.
but i will point out that the person who listens only to that which confirms their personal view of the world learns little.
November 17, 2012 at 9:46 am #777026
kootchmanMemberWell.. I guess you have it all worked out there c@bob… IF all things go your way. Usually it doesn’t. But the biggest screwing ever perpetrated is on those who follow. Your father and mine would have blanched white in the face at the notion of leaving successive generations so deeply in debt. Do you REALLY think that the average 20 year old knows we have over 60K on their future earnings to pay for OUR stuff. Then they will have to take care of themselves. If you factor in the unfunded mandates.. the bill rises to an astonishing 285K per.
Now, you may call that fair, progressive, liberal.. the least we can do is give em the best little engine to pull their economic train. The surely will need it. They don’t need more debt.
November 17, 2012 at 3:51 pm #777027
c@lbobMemberA great majority of the debt and unfunded mandates grew out of the decision to put two wars off the books for 8 years, then obstinantly refuse to pay for them. There are many, many examples of this behavior, but none I can think of so blatant.
The “unfunded” mandate to which you often refer to is Social Security, which should be a fully funded mandate were the funding not siphoned off to hide the effect of my first point.
I will mention a third thing, global warming, which, in my opinion is the most pressing problem facing the world.
My preference for a politician is really based on those three things. If you want to stop war, protect Social Security and save the planet, your my boy/girl.
Over the course of my lifetime, the Republican party has been pretty consistant in taking positions that are contrary to what I see as my interest.
That how simple I am, Kootch. Smoke, and mirrors, and numbers, and insults, and nonsense mouthed to allow wars, destruction of SS and continuance of global warming have no affect on me.
These things are as important to me as not paying taxes is to you.
November 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm #777028
DBPMember>>My preference for a politician is really based on those three things. If you want to stop war, protect Social Security and save the planet, your my boy/girl.
I could say something irreverent here, but in the spirt of World Peace Day (November 17), I’m going to control myself.
Bob, thank you for summarizing your priorities. For the record, I’m on board with everything you say.
Now then. Forget about kootchman and the Republican Party for a moment . . .
Will you at least consider the possibility that the other 49% might have the same aspirations you do?
Will you entertain the idea that politics might be more complex than white hats vs. black hats?
November 17, 2012 at 6:58 pm #777029
dobroParticipant“Will you entertain the idea that politics might be more complex than white hats vs. black hats?”
Why do you insist on the idea that you are more “fair minded” or, at least, less “narrow minded”?
There are plenty of intelligent commenters here that don’t fit your simple minded stereotypes. There are many levels of complexity to consider but no one here is writing a dissertation, they’re making 2 or 3 paragraph-long comments.
Bob’s comments were clear and I’m sure his answers to your questions would be yes and yes, as would mine. BTW, the sky is blue and water is wet, as I’m sure you would agree.
November 17, 2012 at 7:05 pm #777030
c@lbobMemberWell, DBP, I’ve been looking at the political landscape more or less seriously since 1958. I have voted in nearly every eligible election since 1967.
During that time, starting with Everett Dirksen up to this day, Republicans have proven to be a most consistantly warlike bunch of people. Both officially and in my personal dealings.
It is an objective of the Republican party to end Social Security – since 1936.
I witnessed a wholesale assault on the conclusion of over 90% of scientists concerning global warming/climate change up to today, though the recent weather patterns worldwide have made the people who keep up that assault seem similar to the flat earth society. Since the man who really won the 2000 Presidential election was promoting the scientific opinion, I conclude, influenced by other observations, that the other side was mostly of the other party.
I don’t know what color hats they wear, but I know who is against my interest.
I also don’t know what evidence you have that would suggest to you that I am not a thoughtful person. Please provide some before you, once again, talk down to me.
November 17, 2012 at 8:11 pm #777031
JoBParticipantDBP
I think there are Republicans who care deeply about all three of c@tlbob’s points…
But they have still allowed the Republican party to be highjacked by extremists which means that if Republicans are elected there is absolutely no chance of their priorities being met.
We in the democratic party have allowed ourselves to be highjacked by … centerists? ….
but at least when we elect democrats we still have a chance to have our priorities met.
That is why i back the democratic party
although to be honest
for the first time in over 40 years.. i have let my membership lapse
and do not intend to renew it.
November 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm #777032
DBPMemberNow dobro and bob . . . if I didn’t think you were thoughtful fellows, why would I be trying so hard to engage you in conversation?
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I must say that some of the conclusions you draw about the Republican Party are dead-on. Your assessment of what goes on at the top, for example. Other conclusions are a little off, though, and I hope you’ll reconsider them.
This idea that everyone who voted for Romney is either a plutocrat or a dunce, for example. I’m afraid I just don’t buy it. I know plenty of folks, including several on this forum, who are not only very intelligent, but very good-hearted people.
(Would you like full names and addresses? Or will initials suffice?)
But let’s forget about that. Let’s suppose that I’d lived my entire life up to now without ever having met one of these critters called a Republican. Given how much I read about ’em in the papers, and given this penchant of theirs for electing Presidents and Congresses every few years, I’d say that they were a force to be reckoned with, wouldn’t you?
Indeed! I suspect that we might even have occasion to call upon one or two of them as we set about this business of saving the planet. What say?
November 17, 2012 at 8:22 pm #777033
dobroParticipant“This idea that everyone who voted for Romney is either a plutocrat or a dunce, for example.”
I don’t believe I’ve said that. I’ve called Romney a plutocrat, not those who voted for him. Cites, please.
“I suspect that we might even have occasion to call upon one or two of them as we set about this business of saving the planet. What say?”
I’d say please name a few who are not science deniers and I’m sure plenty of folks would be happy to work with them. Got any?
November 17, 2012 at 9:30 pm #777034
JoBParticipantDBP
I am sorry DBP …
but have you seen what has been floated on the inter-web not only during but after the election about the people who had the audacity to stand in line for hours to exercise their constitutional right to vote?
i have because some of the people spreading them are my family and friends.
i would like to say that they are nice people…
but the truth is that I don’t believe nice people indulge in name calling and gender or race based jokes/innuendos/smears of that kind.
to be honest i am ashamed of and for them.
i definitely won’t be making the effort to drive for hours to spend the holidays with them.
If i feel that offended by that kind of behavior by my family members…
imagine how i feel about total strangers that i have no reason to believe harbor any niceness at all.
what you seem to dismiss as petty are life and death decisions that affect women, minorities, immigrants, the elderly and the working poor.
i don’t know about you .. but i have a hard time dismissing that as just politics.
November 18, 2012 at 3:27 pm #777035
redblackParticipanti’ll echo what dobro said: i also don’t believe that everyone who voted for romney is a plutocrat or a dunce.
but a lot of them did vote for romney because they believe that barack obama and democrats are trying to turn america into the soviet union. and they have stated that belief repeatedly in these fora.
they believe that democrats hate individualism, hard work, and capitalism; that we’re looking to replace our jobs with welfare checks; and that those checks should be big enough to give us food, health care, retirement, and cadillacs.
any republicans here want to refute that that’s what you believe about liberals?
i think that republicans vote the way they do because they see taxes as an expense that they can reduce in their own personal finances, while ignoring the fact that the “free market” is screwing them on the prices of food, gas, health care, and money.
they see government as some malevolent external force in their lives, yet they ignore the direct influences of JP morgan chase, exxon, and sony.
November 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm #777036
DBPMemberNow you’re talking.
How I see liberals:
Good people
who just want to be thought of as
well . . .
good people
November 18, 2012 at 7:54 pm #777037
waynsterParticipantUntil the GOP can shed its old and white racist bigoted sexes image dump their right wing commentators bring the religious side and teapublican side under control they will never get the votes they want….and some of the more populated states that have huge Hispanic voting blocks like Texas and Arizona are worried the southern republican is now on a path to extinction…….its only a matter of time the GOP shifts more to center and more moderate in order to keep from becoming a party so right they can’t even keep the ship upright……. and the last uber rich group that bought an election got there monopoly’s torn down yep they were Carnagy, Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan who did they buy McKinley who was the VP yep Teddy it didn’t work then and it didn’t work this time……..the poor, the minority’s and middle class have spoken and said to the GOP enough…… The people want healthcare they want a good economy that benefits all not just a few that’s what this election was all about they told the old to come out of the dinosaur age….
November 19, 2012 at 2:08 am #777038
c@lbobMemberJoB,
Did you find these Republicans in a museum somewhere? Were they stuffed, or mummified?
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