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February 20, 2013 at 5:08 pm #784775
SmittyParticipantFebruary 21, 2013 at 5:33 am #784776
HMC RichParticipantJoB, I should have added more to the part you are questioning me on.
True, the article did not reference an attack by the President. What I should have said is that in past years the current President called out Hannity and Fox News. That is what I was referring to. I knew he was a wuss when he did that.
And Clinton called out Rush and conservative radio after Oklahoma City.
Neither was necessary. If W or his Dad or Ronnie ever lashed out at specific press operations, I would like to have it presented. That’s all. I could be wrong and if I am, let me know.
Smitty, you are right. But some want to forget that W was elected twice. (Then they will argue it should have been Gore… )
Interestingly enough, I have always felt if Bill Clinton had stepped aside for lying to the prosecutor, Al Gore would have easily won the next election. I don’t believe the battleground states would have come into play as much. We will never know.
I am not trying to pick a fight about that election, but I always have wondered what would have transpired.
February 21, 2013 at 5:40 am #784777
HMC RichParticipantAndy, I don’t read or listen to George Will very often. Half the time I disagree with his points.
I prefer the analysis from other sources. With the RINO’s and Tea Party squaring off right now, I am thinking I prefer the Ted Cruz, Rand Paul arm of the Republican party. Yes, they are drinking the TEA I like.
The Republicans have put up establishment RINO’s and only W won. The others have failed. I do not want Karl Rove’s picks.
The mid-terms are going to be very interesting for the Republican party. Democrats are going to muck things up as best as they can, and basically Obama is not being Bi-Partisan. They are trying to damage the GOP, and why not?
February 21, 2013 at 9:17 am #784778
JanSParticipantSee,,here’s a problem ..you’re referring to Hannity and Fox News as “press”…that’s pretty much a falsehood ;-)
Rich…Ted Cruz, among other things, has stated that Chuck Hagel possibly took money from places like North Korea. Do you agree with that line of thinking?
February 21, 2013 at 2:21 pm #784779
JoBParticipantHMCRich
I called out Hannity and Fox News
does that make me a wus?
i don’t know where this idea that we have to respect misleading and incorrect statements because everyone is entitled to an opinion came from…
but i am relieved to have a president who calls that kind of propaganda.. yes, that is propaganda.. out.
there is a difference between an informed opinion and an opinion based on misleading or false information.
When the press distributes opinions based on misleading or false information as fact.. someone needs to call them out… no matter which side of the political spectrum that misinformation comes from.
the basis of our democracy is an informed public.. not a misinformed public.
February 21, 2013 at 8:31 pm #784780
JanSParticipantFebruary 21, 2013 at 9:53 pm #784781
JoBParticipantFebruary 22, 2013 at 12:07 am #784782
waynsterParticipantonce again polls
then theres the tea party and the fighting within the GOP…
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2013/02/19/a-tea-party-blooper-rove-in-nazi-uniform/
February 22, 2013 at 6:43 am #784783
HMC RichParticipantJoB,then you are very misinformed because the mainstream press generally coddles this president and you know it. Every American has the right to speak out. You can call out Hannity and FOX all you want personally. I am OK with that. Did Bush call out Chris Mathews? Rachel Maddow? Helen Thomas? No. But poor Barry….
MSNBC must be a bastion of unbiased news. A true fallacy. I am fine with different viewpoints from different news organizations but the truth is Leftists like Obama do not want to hear dissenting opinions. He and his ilk would rather have them banned or have a fairness doctrine in place. Notice the article that lead to this thread. He runs from the press that will hold him accountable. Whereas I don’t really care if the organization chooses to be right or left or centrist. That is the difference. I say let them publish what they want, but at least be honest and don’t pretend to be unbiased.
February 22, 2013 at 7:02 am #784784
JanSParticipantyou know, it’s MY personal view about Hannity and Fox News…not Barry, as you call him.
His ilk? Seriously? What is that “ilk” Rich?
Your opinion is that things are unbiased, or a fallacy, or whatever. It’s tiresome hearing it, when a good portion of the citizens of this country support “Barry” more than any Republican out there. Yes, your is just an opinion.
Now, my opinion? They’re ALL biased…the ones on the tube, that you turn into every night. No one ever said they weren’t. Some of us can decipher things for ourselves, even us “libs”.
Now…how about holding those Repub members of Congress accountable.
February 22, 2013 at 7:03 am #784785
HMC RichParticipantHi JanS, Hagel’s financial disclosure was crap. His answers were not sufficient. Cruz is being accused of being McCarthy already. I expect most of you to malign him.
We need more like Cruz. This is our country. No more career politicians. Term Limits are needed for Congressmen and Senators.
I have to say. I find it extraordinary that President Obama is getting away with lying on the Sequester. It was his idea. Granted, most Republicans agreed with it, but he signed it. Then he promised to veto any type of legislation that would weaken it. But now he is against it and is blaming Republicans. Fact is, he wants the sequester to try and as he views it, blame the Republicans and hurt the GOP in the eyes of the voters.
The Republicans since the fiscal cliff was averted in 2011 have tried to change the sequester at least five times. Obama and the Senate keep effing it up.
Obama, would you make up your mind and quit blaming the GOP for your flip flop.
Nobody wants the sequester.
February 22, 2013 at 7:06 am #784786
JanSParticipantHe’s lying? How so? You really don’t hold the Repubs accountable, do you? This is just wasted even responding here. The sequester is days away, and they’re what? Taking time off? Oh, please….
the Repubs have already hurt themselves, for goodness sake. If you can’t see that, I feel bad for you….
February 22, 2013 at 7:08 am #784787
JanSParticipantI’;m sick of the blame game. I want solid ideas on both sides. I want them all to do their jobs and get it done. That’s not too much to ask. But this back and forth, it’s his fault, no it’s his faulty, no, it’s theirs, ..blame, blame, blame…it’s sickening !
February 22, 2013 at 7:09 am #784788
HMC RichParticipantJanS, I have a right wing bias view. I don’t deny that. You can be as liberal as you want. Fine with me. I just get tired of hearing how mainstream certain aspects of the progressive outlook is being reported.
Why is it that some of the lame stream press is not designating Jesse Jackson Jr. as a Democrat? If it is a Republican in trouble, it is one of the first words printed.
I have my biased view. But at least I can see the center and objectively look at what a leftist wants too.
Do I generally post screw ups by left wing information and news outlets? No, but you guys do.
Hell, I expect to be attacked because politically, I am a minority in this bastion of progressive thought.
February 22, 2013 at 7:13 am #784789
JanSParticipantAll I’ve seen designates him as Dem…where are you reading? It’s common knowledge…Geez, Rich, how nit picky can you get? Jackson is no longer in politics…he is not representing anyone, and wasn’t when this came out. Why designate him as anything? He’s a felon, bipolar, has an acknowledged spending problem (a sympton of Bi-polar). We all know he’s a Dem, for goodness sake.
February 22, 2013 at 7:15 am #784790
HMC RichParticipantTo be honest, I did like the thread pointing out that the editors or story that came from Breitbart was wrong. I don’t want misleading news either. I also want solutions.
I would prefer the solutions and not a constant back and forth, but just like the sequester, the hypocrisy has to stop. He can’t have it both ways. I am sick of the misinformation and propaganda.
Just like Benghazi for Obama and Tillman for Bush. The truth never came out like it should have. And we suffer. I dislike most of our elected officials policies. Until they start living like us and not have special and seperate benefits, we cannot expect them to really work for us.
And that is why we need the press to hold their feet to the fire. Daily, Hourly, and not be dictated too regardless of Dem or GOP.
February 22, 2013 at 7:17 am #784791
JanSParticipantFebruary 22, 2013 at 7:20 am #784792
HMC RichParticipantRegarding Jackson, there are many people who are not in tune to politics. They don’t pay attention to it. They don’t know. So I disagree with you. You are correct that people who do watch news regularly know this. But many don’t.
Here is a link from an admittedly conservative news media watchdog. It compares D versus R in reporting by ABC, CBS, and NBC, http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2013/02/21/big-three-network-double-standard-labeling-scandalous-politicians
I should think news organizations would want to be consistent, but they are not.
February 22, 2013 at 7:24 am #784793
HMC RichParticipantJanS, I appreciate the NYT article. And it proves my point. They did say Mr. Jackson was a Democrat. They, however, did not say the Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich was a democrat.
February 22, 2013 at 7:32 am #784794
HMC RichParticipantJanS, please don’t get me wrong. I know my party is having a war within itself. I appreciate all the good people and the actions many people take each day. I received a letter from Maria Cantwell today. She nicely told me Thank You for my input and she is working hard for all of her constituents. At least the form letter was nice, but it is part of the process. Letting our elected reps know what we think will not usually change their minds but once in awhile it has an effect. There is political theory and political practice. I will argue the abstract theories more so than reality at times. It is healthy for me to hear the other side. And to think about what many of you support.
For me I like to think in terms of the Federal Constitution and to a lesser degree our state constitution. Is what people are proposing constitutional? That is the basis of most of my arguments.
When it comes to the press, I have worked in the field and bump into it more than I care to. I don’t believe a lot of television reporting because the producers are unseen. Some are very young and don’t know what they are doing. Others are fantastic, but many are just doing a job and trying to get ratings. The writers are not seen. There is no arbiter of balance in these businesses. The anchors read but do they really know what they are talking about.
Tracy can fill you in much better than I on this. But having seen what I have seen, I am surprised news looks and sounds as good as it does sometimes.
February 22, 2013 at 2:53 pm #784795
JoBParticipantHMCRich
you think the mainstream press coddles this President?
Have you actually compared the treatment this president gets from the press as compared to that accorded say to our last president?
Mr he could do no wrong lets hold a press conference on the deck of an aircraft carrier to declare the end of a war that ultimately stands to bankrupt us without criticism?
Sorry Rich.. this one simply doesn’t pass the sniff test
nor this
“Leftists like Obama do not want to hear dissenting opinions. He and his ilk would rather have them banned or have a fairness doctrine in place.”
Do you think it’s possible that mindset colors how you see the world?
the basis of actual conversation is recognizing the difference between an informed opinion and an uniformed opinion..
an informed opinion is that which can be supported by actual facts.. not rumors, innuendos or misdirection.
the ultimate filter is logic
or as grandpa used to say.. good old common sense
applying that filter to your first statement…
a President who was coddled by the press would have every incentive to allow them unfettered access.
However a president who was not coddled by the press would not.
thus, if this president is denying access it is not likely that he does so because he has been coddled by the press
February 22, 2013 at 3:07 pm #784796
JoBParticipantHMCRich
“Cruz is being accused of being McCarthy already. I expect most of you to malign him.
We need more like Cruz.”
No Rich.. we need more people who base their opinions on actual facts, not on rumors as Mr Cruz does.
It’s funny you mention McCarthy because that era was prime example of what happens when rumor trumps basic civil rights.
I am sorry your guy Cruz got caught with his pants down… as an educated man, he knows better.
February 22, 2013 at 3:15 pm #784797
JoBParticipantHMCRich
“I have to say. I find it extraordinary that President Obama is getting away with lying on the Sequester. It was his idea. Granted, most Republicans agreed with it, but he signed it. Then he promised to veto any type of legislation that would weaken it. But now he is against it and is blaming Republicans. Fact is, he wants the sequester to try and as he views it, blame the Republicans and hurt the GOP in the eyes of the voters.
The Republicans since the fiscal cliff was averted in 2011 have tried to change the sequester at least five times. Obama and the Senate keep effing it up.
Obama, would you make up your mind and quit blaming the GOP for your flip flop.
Nobody wants the sequester.”
LOL Rich…
http://prospect.org/article/sequester-blame-game
Mr Boehner was so pleased with his deal that he walked out of it boasting that he got 98% of what he wanted from it…
who is flip flopping?
and for the New York Times.. straight questions and answers..
political perception is not everything.
when you rely on the facts, this kind of posturing simply doesn’t hold up.
February 22, 2013 at 3:19 pm #784798
JoBParticipantRich..
the most important fact about Jesse Jackson Jr is not that he is Democrat.
it’s that he betrayed the public trust and has been prosecuted for doing so…
in spite of being the favored son of Jesse Jackson and a democrat…
February 22, 2013 at 5:40 pm #784799
wakefloodParticipantHMCR, you had me at “Cruz”. Anyone who thinks that his behavior is either laudable or what this country needs more of, has officially lost their capacity for critical thought, IMHO.
Even Lindsay Graham, who somehow passes for a moderate in this bizarro world, thinks Cruz went way over the line.
Oy.
And as for Hagel, this is just further reinforcement that the current configuration of the GOP has lost its mind. Here’s a decorated war veteran, ex-GOP Senator, who simply because he wants to look at our defense posture with a critical eye, is being torpedoed by his own party. In what world does that make sense?
Lost. Their. Minds.
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