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August 28, 2015 at 12:07 am #827167
JanSParticipantskeets, esp. if those world leaders were female…or brown…
like Helper Monkey, I have no faith in the American voting public either…sigh
August 28, 2015 at 12:14 am #827168
JoBParticipantskeeter
i really hate to disappoint you..
but a politician is going to be the next President of the United States..
even if it doesn’t turn out to be Hillary
what i can’t understand is why so many people think being a smart politiican is a drawback
August 28, 2015 at 2:43 am #827169
JTBParticipantThe power of archetypes.
I think Donald Trump embodies a specifically American archetype that has the potential to pull many people under its thrall.
If that’s so, it could become very problematic since according to Jungian psychologists, a very similar thing happened in Germany in the 1930’s. When people said they didn’t realize what was going on during Hitlers rise and even after, that was true psychologically speaking because they were powerless to contend with the powerful complexes operating in the collective unconscious.
When you think about what Trump represents as the common sense, blunt, irreverent white male who achieves success by sticking his finger in the eye of the power elite, I think it’s easy to see how that might appeal to the frightened, middle class white males who feel they’ve been sold out by the establishment and are about to be over run by outsiders (literally “dark” forces) who haven’t earned a right to the American Dream. Oddly, there is probably a conscious connection with all of that on the part of many who like Trump, but it’s the unconscious connection that scares me.
August 28, 2015 at 3:52 am #827170
JKBParticipantJanS, what do you think would be different with female or brown-skinned world leaders vs. any other sort?
August 28, 2015 at 4:31 am #827171
GinaParticipantGoogle “trump” in British slang. Adds a whole new angle of entertainment.
August 28, 2015 at 4:53 am #827172
JanSParticipantJKB…Mr. Trump has vocalized his racism (brown people/immigrants/etc.), and he’s definitely a misogynist – makes no bones about that. He would disrespect/talk down to both.Or simply refuse to act as if they were equals.
But..yes…it would be a fiasco no matter who the head of state would be.
August 28, 2015 at 4:55 am #827173
JanSParticipantso now I am going to be a little insensitive here to some people…a quote I heard today ” If they gave a dead Donald Trump an enema before they buried him, he would fit inside a match box”
sorry if I offended anyone’s sensibilities …o_O
August 28, 2015 at 5:00 am #827174
maplesyrupParticipantJKB I suspect you already have an answer but I’ll play along. It wouldn’t be much different, and there’s plenty of evidence.
Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Eva Peron, Dilma Roussef, Cristina Kirchner, and yes, Hillary Clinton, Michelle Bachman, Palin…
Or Robert Mugabe, Baby Doc Duvalier, Idi Amin, Hugo Chavez, (and though they’re not in the same class as those other dictators) Marion Barry, Kwame Kilpatrick, Ted Cruz and on and on and on.
Even Barak Obama has proven himself to be, above all, a master politician.
It’s not all nefarious (because there are plenty of good examples too) but boiling it down to race and/or gender is silly. You’re gonna get similar results no matter what because there’s a common element among those who willingly throw themselves into the fray.
August 28, 2015 at 3:20 pm #827175
JoBParticipantmaplesyrup..
there’s that.. the common element among those who are willing to make the compromises getting elected and governing requires
August 28, 2015 at 8:43 pm #827176
wakefloodParticipant’tis true that those that seek the power have varying levels of ego that range from alot to way too much.
If you didn’t, you wouldn’t survive the continuous bashing and tearing down with enough self-confidence to get anything done – good or bad.
Some have earned that self-confidence and use it in a healthy way to allow them to stand behind their beliefs and ESPECIALLY to admit they’ve made a mistake or have changed their mind due to new information or circumstances. That’s a sign of emotional maturity and rarer than it should be amongst the ruling class.
We have too many examples in our recent history of the unhealthy levels of ego combined with emotional immaturity. Too many to count. One only needs to look at the filthy rich whining ad nauseum about potentially being taxed at rational levels. Many of our candidates come from this classless class of modern American.
Makes me wonder how we manage to craft such unbalanced personalities in such quantities…
August 29, 2015 at 12:50 am #827177
JTBParticipantWake, political office is a perfect setting for a sociopath.
August 29, 2015 at 11:58 pm #827178
HMC RichParticipantI hope he gets elected just to hear most of you cry. Not my first choice but he isn’t sugar coating his message. That is why many like him. They are sick of the current Boehner Republicans in power.
Let’s face it, no matter which Republican wins, you lefties won’t give them any credit. The condescension flows heavily from your posts. You can’t help it. Look what O’Malley is dealing with from HRC and Wasserm-Schultz.
August 30, 2015 at 5:26 am #827179
JoBParticipantHMC Rich
The Donald was a national joke before he decided to make his pitch for President..
August 30, 2015 at 1:40 pm #827180
maplesyrupParticipantRich if the Republicans deserved credit, I’d give it to them. But the vast majority of them are just wrong, whether it’s social issues, the environment, war/defense, or taxation. About the only thing they’re good for is to keep the Democrats in check when it comes to spending.
August 30, 2015 at 3:34 pm #827181
SmittyParticipantmaple, and that is exactly what republicans say about democrats – and no amount of discussion – especially on this board – will change minds.
It all comes down to turnout and that small percentage of “independent” voters – half of whom just *say* they are independent because they have no backbone.
August 30, 2015 at 3:45 pm #827182
JoBParticipantisn’t it time we stopped looking at politics as some kind of sporting game where we stick it to one another?
the anger on both sides of the political aisle should be a wakeup call that politics as a sport has some pretty negative consequences.
people on both sides of the political aisle are fueled by anger.. they have been had and they know it.. they just don’t realize that this one was of their own making.
the voting booth is not a good place to play in the land of should…
August 30, 2015 at 4:18 pm #827183
maplesyrupParticipantSmitty I’m a bonafide independent, always have been. When Dukakis buckled after Bush called him a liberal I knew the Democrats were the ones without a backbone. It’s just that I can’t side with Republicans on many things. Lesser of evils.
Republicans can say what they want (and I agree that they say the same things about Democrats). Unfortunately science and the track record of their politicians is not on their side.
Whatever though, you’re right I’m not going to convince anyone otherwise.
August 30, 2015 at 5:02 pm #827184
JoBParticipantmaplesyrup
i am not sure what backbone is any more
it certainly isn’t the bluster that the American Media portrays as backbone
August 30, 2015 at 5:28 pm #827185
VBDParticipantThe clown show of politics certainly isn’t anything new. Even though we’ve always had good choices sitting in the wings, the candidates who make it through to the end are usually mediocre and appeal to special interests; or just plain ignorance. We should demand a third party, but no one has the guts to support one.
Didn’t the Simpsons make light of this topic… like 20 years ago… Yes they did!!
August 30, 2015 at 6:05 pm #827186
JTBParticipantVBD, A lot of people had the guts to support Ralph Nader in 2000. Most likely why Bush was able to be appointed President by the Supreme Court.
A third part that isn’t formed out of a genuine mass movement will have no possibility of being effective due to the lock the GOP and Democrats have on state and national governments. Those parties exist to hold power and implement policy developed by lobbyists for corporations and by conservative think tanks.
August 30, 2015 at 6:21 pm #827187
metrognomeParticipantleave it to the twitterati to summarize La Donald so well …
September 7, 2015 at 7:59 am #827188
HMC RichParticipantJoB you proved my point. Thank You. Opinions are like banana slugs. Kind of slimy and not really wanted. Just like most of the candidates that are running.
September 7, 2015 at 9:21 am #827189
JanSParticipantand running in the GOP race #2 spot today…another misinformed man…Dr. Ben Carson. He may have been a good and smart brain surgeon, but he has too many off base ideas and opinions for me. I think he’s entirely out of his element.
September 7, 2015 at 9:35 am #827190
JanSParticipantslime…say it isn’t so…Scott Walker? Ted Cruz? Mike Huckabee? Rand Paul? yep, that’s just to name a few of the slimy.
According to one person on NPR, it’s Hillary’s to lose, or being replaced by Biden. Bernie Sanders was never mentioned, as if he doesn’t exist. And if any of us had to list the ideas being put forth by O’Malley and Lincoln Chaffee, I think many would be saying “Who”? We need to get our asses informed by Next March 29th, for sure.
September 7, 2015 at 2:14 pm #827191
SmittyParticipantWell, Bernie is now leading in NH and gaining in IA, despite the press spending 90% of their time covering Trump and the other 10% on Hillary.
Bernie (and Dr. Carson for that matter) are making headway.
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