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June 9, 2016 at 12:17 am #846988
HMC RichParticipantHe might caucus with the Democrats but he is an independent. Without the Super Delegates Mrs. Clinton would not quite have enough delegates. Bernie wants to flip those if he stays in the race. It’s a strange election. WILL HE GO 3rd PARTY. If he does not what will the Bernie orphans do? Will the Bern supporters follow Hillary? Or will they vote Trump or just go out and support the All Night Party. Just pondering.
June 9, 2016 at 12:58 am #846993
dobroParticipantMy prediction: Shortly after the last primary next week in DC Bernie will suspend his Presidential campaign and endorse Hillary. The groundwork is being laid this week in his meetings with Obama and talks with other party leaders. Bernie will have kept his promise to his supporters to let everyone vote and will take his delegates to the convention to influence the party platform and he’ll give a barn berner of a speech. Super delegates will not be an issue and there will be no 3rd party run. 85% of his supporters will vote Hillary, a few cranks will vote Trump, and a few will go Green. The drama will wrap up within the next two weeks, the Dem convention will be unified and you’d better get used to the idea of Madam President. Donald Trump will be crushed, Dems will retake the Senate and make significant gains in the House.
Oh, and to the inevitable next question, Hillary will not be indicted for anything, emailGhaziClintonFoundationVinceFosterWhitewater will all shrivel up and blow away and history will be made_again_by the Dems electing our first female President.
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June 9, 2016 at 8:05 am #847018
waynsterParticipantI have to agree with dobro ….Bernie knows its over he just wants to see what he can get put in the platform in Philly… now will there be some of his supporters whining even past the convention.. oh yes even in this forum some will…. will it drum up up support for the Donald ….Oh HELL NO!! he is going to fade fast he eats his feet to much…..
now I like this….
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2016/06/09June 9, 2016 at 8:06 am #847019
SunuvaParticipantI would suspect a lot of Bernie supporters will take a much deeper look at the Green and Libertarian party options than they have in previous elections. A large number of moderate and true conservatives will likely also take a serious look at 3rd party candidates.
June 9, 2016 at 8:45 am #847021
SmittyParticipantI think he will be pressured into an endorsement prior to the convention in order to tamp down any protests.
As it stands now the Democratics will be protesting at both the R and the D conventions……which I don’t think is a good look.
I wonder if the R’s will actually put together “fake” protests and hire people to yell profanities and wave the Mexican flags anyway just to stir up controversy?
June 9, 2016 at 8:52 am #847022
seaopgalParticipantMake it so, dobro!
June 9, 2016 at 9:10 am #847027
dobroParticipant“I wonder if the R’s will actually put together “fake” protests and hire people to yell profanities and wave the Mexican flags anyway just to stir up controversy?”
Of course they will! Anything to get the people’s and media’s attention away from the reality TV sh*tshow that Trump will manufacture for the convention.
June 9, 2016 at 11:34 am #847041
dobroParticipantHere’s a story on Obama’s endorsement of Hillary and Bernie’s statements after their meeting that confirms the first part of my “prediction”.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/9/1536666/-Barack-Obama-endorses-Hillary-Clinton-I-m-with-her
June 9, 2016 at 11:35 am #847042
HMC RichParticipantUmmm. The Republicans will do no such thing. Smitty I like you, but to say the R’s promote violence is insane and needs a response. With the premise peaceful protest is legal but violence is not, I will continue.
As we saw in California and New Mexico the people who are against freedom of speech get violent with pro Trump supporters. These “protests” are backed by certain paid leftist groups and other freelancers. It is unconscionable that a Presidential Candidate cannot have a rally without their supporters fearing for their safety. The San Jose police did not do their job last week. Their mayor told them to stand down. It was unfortunate that a gay Latino pro Trump man was beaten and given a broken nose and a slight concussion. Looks bad under the microscope. Why were people getting chased and assaulted? Those weren’t Republicans causing the violence.
This Link shows documents of reports. This is horrible. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/09/san-jose-undercover-cops-trump-supporters-were-running-for-their-lives-we-were-unable-to-help/
the media exposure shows how idiotic leftist fascists can be. In fact check this out regarding the San Jose Mayor…
From the link… ” San Jose Police Chief Garcia admitted his officers were instructed not to stop violent protesters from beating the Trump rally attendees. In addition the San Jose Mayor has openly admitted to approving the San Jose police departments plans, and blamed Donald Trump for having the audacity to have a rally in “his city“.
California is such a one party state that opposing views are not allowed anymore I guess.
Looks bad doesn’t it. I didn’t want Trump as my nominee but while the press gets up in arms because of Hillary’s expensive wardrobe or Trump saying a judge that openly supports illegal immigrants and is a large LaRaza member, anti Trump supporters are attacking citizens. The statement from Smitty and another above tries to deflect it to make it a Republican problem. It is not. Your party has a huge problem. if there is violence it is usually from leftists. Knock it off.
June 9, 2016 at 11:39 am #847043
HMC RichParticipantI believe Bernie will not go 3rd party. I believe he will come in to show unity. Josh Earnest at the White House said that the two candidates have similar platforms. Why, yes they do in many ways. So the question is ideologically are they Democrats, Socialists, Somewhere in between? It matters not to me because their issues are progressive issues. It make sense to me that Mrs. Clinton should ask Mr. Sanders to be VP.
June 10, 2016 at 8:33 am #847143
JoBParticipantRich..
i notice you ignore the increase in hate crimes committed by Trump supporters…
this.. it’s all “leftist groups and freelancers” defense is pretty lame in light of the number of reported incidents.as for who the democrats are.. in our better hours we have always leaned towards democratic socialism…. you know. the concept that gave you America’s hiway system ;-)
June 10, 2016 at 8:44 am #847146
SmittyParticipantJoB, the vast majority of the “hate crimes” have been committed by the people protesting Trump rallies, not the people attending. A couple of cheap shots at disruptors made by Trump supporters early on made news for weeks. Last weeks debacle where Trump supporters were literally chased down and beaten in the streets made relatively little news – and even when it did was excused by blaming Trump for setting the “tone”! It’s classic MSM spin. Just imagine if Trump supporters protesting at a Hillary gathering had chased down and beaten her supporters! We’d still be talking about it.
The Left has absolutely been the disruptors this primary season, and in my opinion will continue to be. They will be well represented at both conventions. Let’s hope you and the MSM hone up to it.
June 10, 2016 at 10:15 am #847155
JTBParticipantHMC Rich, here’s what Chief Garcia actually said in the link,
While it appeared to many onlookers that police allowed the violence to proceed unchecked, San Jose police Chief Eddie Garcia insisted that it was more important for police to hold their “skirmish line” formations than to stop individual attacks. Four arrests were made.
“We are not an ‘occupying force’ and cannot reflect the chaotic tactics of the protesters,” Garcia told reporters. Unless a victim’s life was in peril or the violence was “spiraling out of control,” he said, officers held back to avoid inciting more violence and having the crowd turn on officers. He also said the 250 police weren’t enough to control the roughly 400 protesters.”
June 10, 2016 at 10:25 am #847156
J242ParticipantSmitty,
It seems you have not actually been following this issue.
Straight from the horse’s mouth:
http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#JUhAW9Xo.iqKhttp://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html
“If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?” “Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise. They won’t be so much, because the courts agree with us too — what’s going on in this country.”See, because so many of his supporters don’t seem to be willing to verify the accuracy of a claim before spreading it we keep getting treated to even more proof that the claims are absurd.
http://www.snopes.com/injured-trump-supporter/
Yes, there have been violent protesters on both sides but you know what the difference is?
The Dems denounce the violence and call out their constituency that commit the acts.
Regardless of that, even though the DNC and everyone running on the platform are against the violence from their supporters the RNC are complete hypocrites on the matter.June 10, 2016 at 10:27 am #847157
J242ParticipantJune 10, 2016 at 10:31 am #847158
J242ParticipantSmitty,
Let’s not also forget Trump has the support of the KKK and pretty much every white supremacist group on the nation, Kim Jong-Un and Putin. Think about that. The KKK, NK and Russia all WANT him to be POTUS. He’s “their kinda guy”. That should terrify you.
June 10, 2016 at 10:34 am #847159
SmittyParticipant“Yes, there have been violent protesters on both sides but you know what the difference is?”
Yes. There are liberal protestors at every Trump speech and rally and there are liberal protestors at Hillary speech’s and rally’s.
Show me where on any comparable scale that the Right is disrupting and/or confronting the left at THEIR speech’s and rally’s?
Big difference.
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June 10, 2016 at 10:39 am #847162
J242ParticipantSorry, one last link:
Hate groups, dictators and demagogues love him. Even his own party wants nothing to do with him as the closest he’s getting to actual “support” from them come from the likes of Christie, Gingrinch and Palin. Gee, what a dream team of support. lol
June 10, 2016 at 10:40 am #847163
SmittyParticipantDon’t get me wrong, I think he’s nuts. I just despise the media double standard as well as their apologists tone whenever protestors on the Left commit violence.
June 10, 2016 at 10:45 am #847165June 10, 2016 at 10:53 am #847166
J242Participant“Show me where on any comparable scale that the Right is disrupting and/or confronting the left at THEIR speech’s and rally’s?
Big difference.”
Show me where on any comparable scale where the left are outright inciting the crowd, calling for violence and offering to pay the attackers legal bills if they harm someone?
Big difference indeed.
There definitely has not been anywhere near the level of outbursts at any of the DNC events. I’m not sure why but I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions about the overall behavior of either party’s supporters either way. Possibly because protesters don’t get assaulted at DNC events to the same degree that they do at Trump events? I would imagine actively rebuking such actions and not fanning the flames might have something to do with it.
June 10, 2016 at 11:05 am #847168
J242Participant“Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s nuts. I just despise the media double standard as well as their apologists tone whenever protestors on the Left commit violence.”
I think maybe a lot of has to do with his supporters following his tone. When he calls on violence targeted at people, we see violence. When he claims a specific person is why he won’t show up to an event, that person gets an absurd amount of hateful and threatening vitriol thrown at them by his mobs.
Make America Hate Again: Many Trump Supporters Tweeted Megyn Kelly the ‘C’ Word Today
He hasn’t targeted Sanders or Clinton in the same way yet. He writes off Hillary as just a liar and no good but his tone is different and I think that might have something to do with it. Also, I’ve seen a LOT of coverage on the violence against his supporters so I’m not sure what you mean about this double standard. Bernie, Hillary and Obama have all said, “That is not how you handle things, don’t do that!” and try to tone it down whereas Trump sees a powder keg and lights a match.
Recent reports on multiple protest violence cases recently are also showing something very similar to what happened here with the WTO riots as well. The initial protests are peaceful and non violent but people (no idea on political ideology or opinions) show up and start things. Hours of non violent peaceful protests happen and then one actin can set it all off.
Both sides have bad actors, but only one side supports the violence.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-donald-trump-protest-analysis-20160311-story.htmlJune 10, 2016 at 12:25 pm #847178
JanSParticipantj242…actually…the woman pelted with eggs? She has admitted to (damn, I hate puns sometimes) egging them on., trying to incite them. Yes, I don’t really care for the result…it should never have happened, no matter the “egging on”. But Trump supporters are no the innocents, nor is Trump….yet people who we thought were intelligent likeminded civil people wholeheartedly support him, his beliefs, his words, and his actions. I simply don’t get it. Smitty…are you listening? Many conservatives (look at the backtracking in Congress) are finding that what he does and says is abhorrent. He is not fit to run this country. I had to laugh when McConnell said that he needs to”get on point”. Hahahahahahaha…like he cares what they want him to be and do…they want him to be a less visible bigot/racist/misogynist/xenophobic. But..some of you will still support him…am I right? What does that say about you?
June 10, 2016 at 3:11 pm #847198
SmittyParticipantJan, she was at a Trump event and they were taunting the attendees! She “egged” them on because they were in her face. None of this would have happened if they weren’t there causing trouble in the first place.
Jesus, you sound like my grandpa. “She shouldn’t have been wearing such a short skirt”……
Again, just do the “reverse” test. If Trump supporters were to do the exact same thing at a HRC rally it would be front page/lead story for weeks….
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June 10, 2016 at 4:00 pm #847207
JoBParticipantSmitty.. again. you limit your comments to violence that occurs during political events but fail to mention that which is occurring in our common spaces. What is happening really isn’t ok.. and there is no way to white wash that.
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