November 15, 2012 at 1:40 pm #605588November 15, 2012 at 2:09 pm #777399
This says it pretty well:November 15, 2012 at 3:48 pm #777400
I am so hoping that Republicans missed the message because we are going to need longer than 4 years and a far more progessive president than the one we have now to clean this mess up…
and as much as i support Hillary.. I am not so sure that she is THAT president.. though she might be a great bridge President to one.November 15, 2012 at 3:50 pm #777401
my prediction for the next go-around?
we field a woman
they field a latino
because that is the message the parties got from the last vote…November 15, 2012 at 4:26 pm #777402
Romney blames gifts….Ryan put it another way :”They simply got more votes than we did.”November 15, 2012 at 4:36 pm #777403
Jennifer Granholm is Canadian born, so she won’t fit the bill – besides, the DNC speech, though I liked it, might have been an impediment anyway.
Much as I hate to admit it, since she is younger than I, Hillary seems too long in the tooth. Still a possibility, though.
Kathleen Sebelius could be a strong candidate. She could have run for senate in 2010, but chose not to. Presidential aspriations may explain that move.
I hope Marco Rubio is too reasonable for the Tea heads.
I just looked it up, Hillary is younger than me, and not that much older than Sebelius. So, maybe age won’t hurt either of them.November 15, 2012 at 4:41 pm #777404
Thank goodness he is not going to be our next president. Really can’t stand this mentality and am insulted by it on so many levels.
What about the gifts and entitlement of the 1%? Must be nice to hide your wealth in off shore accounts and pay a smaller percentage in taxes because you make your money off investments rather than actually working for it. Most Americans don’t have that luxury.November 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm #777405
I left out another son of privilege from the list, above. John McCain.
Aside from being a prisoner of war, I have never understood his political appeal.
He is a military brat son of privilege. Tell me another pilot who kept flying long enough to “lose” 5 planes. Keating scandal, it was those other guys. At least he selected Sarah Palin to decisively reveal his lack of judgement.
Whenever I heard a Democrat praise McCain, I just shook my head.November 15, 2012 at 6:22 pm #777406
John McCain is a good man, Bob.
A VERY good man.
However, I understand that you disagree with me. And I respect your right to do that. Unconditionally.
I visited the place where McCain was imprisoned by the North Vietnamese. The “Hanoi Hilton.” They still had his flight suit there on display in his little cell, along with some of his personal belongings.
Not a very nice place to be, even for a high-value prisoner like a fighter pilot.
The North Vietnamese tortured him, broke him. They made him sign a confession and read a public statement denouncing his country – even while Jane Fonda was riding through the streets of the city on top of a tank.
Now then. Does anyone here have any idea what you have to do to an American military officer – a Navy pilot no less, an Admiral’s son – to make him denounce his country?
Does anyone here know what it feels like to be a prisoner of war? Or a prisoner of any kind for that matter?
Solitary confinement anyone?
Anyone here had a plane shot out from under them?
Because unless you really have some experience with these things, you should consider very carefully before criticizing this guy.
Put yourself in his shoes for a second, if you possibly can.
Ironically, the same things that make John McCain a good man made him a lousy politician. And that is why I would only recommend a career in politics to a cynic and never to a good man.
See, the cynic knows that he’s no good to begin with, so there’s nowhere for him to go but up.
For everyone else, it’s a downhill ride.November 15, 2012 at 7:09 pm #777407
i didn’t visit the Hanoi Hilton
but i have met John McCain personally
for a while there he and i played in the same playground in Scottsdale
i would not characterize him as a good man.
you didn’t have to be a good man to fly an airplane, get shot down and spend time in the Hanoi Hilton.
You do have to be a good man to treat those you care for well.
John McCain does not have good history with those who have been entrusted to his care…
including but not limited to the native populations of his stateNovember 15, 2012 at 7:25 pm #777408November 15, 2012 at 7:41 pm #777409November 15, 2012 at 7:51 pm #777410
While I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, and am in no way diminishing what he went though….
Being a Prisoner of War does not make you a good man by default.
Notice how that is the only thing you can offer in way of good man credentials?
How many Nazi pilots that got shot down and became POWs would you consider good men?
How about Kadaffi pilots who ended up in rebel hands?November 15, 2012 at 8:20 pm #777411
How you conduct yourself as a POW does. Guess it’s only something the very, very few have to contemplate right? What is it less than 1% actually serve?
We have hugh national issues.. like… how is the FFA going to make money deep fat frying “Twinkies” at the Iowa State Fair…. ? These are the serious issues. Seattle plant shut forever… it was a survivalists mainstay.. they lasted 30 years or more.
The unions didn’t like Obamacare after all.November 15, 2012 at 8:50 pm #777412
Well shoot that’s easy …. when John was flying… we had crap military gear… it would take years before HARM missles were developed that were effective..while those fellahs were flying into Russian radio radar slaved anti-aircraft guns and SAMS… often as decoys to take the hits so the B-52’s would get through….. those boy were sent in hells fury with guts and low probability survival rates… but they went. Another fine example of not killing the head of the snake… the logistics.. because of rules of engagement. Naval aviator too… none better. That’s how ya get shot down… ya can find out… if you aren’t too old and can pass the flight physicals… and have a math, science or engineering degree. Woweee that would be some exciting living eh c@bob?November 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm #777413
Many republicans share the belief that Obama bought his votes. Videos like this get around:
Personally, I don’t think that Obama “bought” votes. I think Obama is a moderate/centrist and would probably be willing to cut spending on social programs in exchange for higher taxes on the wealthy.November 16, 2012 at 12:06 am #777414
Many republicans share the belief that Obama bought his votes. Videos like this get around:
The people who think that are exactly as stupid as the lady in the video, for they believe the same myth.
The lifeline program has been around for decades and has nothing whatsoever to do with the current President.
The unions didn’t like Obamacare after all.
Interesting. Your article didn’t mention Obamacare. It said that they chose to exercise their rights to fight back against the pension-killing, wage cutting contract and went on strike. Of course, little things like facts never get in the way of the type of ‘reporting’ you emulate.November 16, 2012 at 12:14 am #777415
A little trivia about John McCain did you know not only was he shot down he was also one of the pilots sitting in his plane when they had a unguided Zuni rocket go off prematurely on the USS Forestal thus creating one of the navy’s worse fires and explosions during the Vietnam war on board a carrier at sea since WWII killing 134 sailors…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire
….until the GOP sheds its right wing side and pulls more center they won’t have easy times no matter how much they try…. religion and the tea side is kicking them to the curb along with some other fractions within……November 16, 2012 at 4:40 am #777416
“Sadly he was right…”
Funny that we still have folks around here that believe Romney’s malarkey about “gifts” and all. Didja hear what all the other Republicans are saying about ol’ Mittens?
Marco Rubio, what do you think?
“I don’t want to rebut him point by point,” Rubio said of Romney. “I would just say to you, I don’t believe that we have millions and millions of people in this country that don’t want to work. I think we have millions of people in this country that are out of work and are dependent on the government because they can’t find a job.”
Sen. Kelly Ayotte, how’s bout you?
“I don’t agree with the comments,” Ayotte said.
Bobby Jindal, give us your take.
“Two points on that: One, we have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent. We need to go after every single vote.And, secondly, we need to continue to show how our policies help every voter out there achieve the American Dream, which is to be in the middle class, which is to be able to give their children an opportunity to be able to get a great education. … So, I absolutely reject that notion, that description. I think that’s absolutely wrong.”
Reagan-era strategist Ed Rogers, give us your blunt opinion.
“There is no Romney wing in the party that he needs to address,” said Ed Rogers, a longtime Republican strategist. “He never developed an emotional foothold within the GOP so he can exit the stage anytime and no one will mourn.”
I love that one.
Virginia representative Tom Davis…
“It shows a huge misreading of the electoral landscape. A rather elitist misread. Where does he think his votes came from in rural America?”
Florida Gov. Rick Scott.
“It’s wrong, it’s not true,” Scott told POLITICO, adding: “What we’ve got to do is say we want every vote, we want to take care of every citizen in our state.
Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad:
“I don’t think it’s helpful,I guess my feeling is that we need to turn the page, and we need to focus on the future and not make excuses for the past.”
Sounds like Mitt has become the Republican “past” pretty quick. He may have to come to WSB to find someone willing to believe his cr*p, because all the muckety-mucks in the party are ready to sing a chorus of “so long, it’s been good to know ya!”
PS- History will record, Mitt, that you couldn’t even beat an African-American guy with 8 percent unemployment and you had a BILLION dollars to make your case. Buh-bye.November 16, 2012 at 5:00 am #777417November 16, 2012 at 3:20 pm #777418
“The unions didn’t like Obamacare after all.”
what a blatant misreading of the facts.
union employees and union houses aren’t much affected by obamacare kootch.
they already had health care.
what the Bakers at Wonder weren’t going to have is the pensions they bargained for and invested in and a wage high enough to avoid needing to rely on public resources.
a reorganization bankruptcy allows companies to increase their bottom line and reward the executives who cut costs by reneging on longstanding contracts made with employees… including the pensions they invested in.
There was a time when a company seeking any kind of bankruptcy had to pay their employees first.
sadly.. a contract is only binding now if you can’t reorganize your way out of it.November 16, 2012 at 7:08 pm #777419
As always, the ‘Free Market’ Bosses claim that when a business is a success, it is because of their personal vision and greatness.. When it fails, it’s because of government and unions.
At least they’re giving themselves nice bonuses on the way out, paid for by looting the pension fund.
I love the myth that it is Unions, not poor management who destroy business.
If only those greedy bakers would work for free, we could have our twinkies.
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