Romney – his own kind turning on him

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  • #605611

    JanS
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    Bobby Jindal, and others are finding the latest Romney messages totally unacceptable…yet there are people ( on here, even) who think that he would have made a better president the next 4 years. Pretty delusional , in my book..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/opinion/collins-anybody-notice-a-pattern.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121117

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    #777682

    Smitty
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    “yet there are people ( on here, even) who think that he would have made a better president the next 4 years. Pretty delusional , in my book..”

    Better than the current President and his actual abysmal record ? Oh, Lord no. That would be darn near impossible (sarcasm).

    #777683

    dobro
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    Obama’s approval rating is at 58% right now. I guess there are a significant amount of people who don’t find his record so abysmal. Either that, or all the polls are wrong and everybody’s lying. (sarcasm)

    #777684

    Smitty
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    58% is good, not great. As we all know 47% is the floor and the other 11% are hoping they did the right thing. No shame in that.

    Jan (and her unbiased, straight-down-the-middle) friend Gail Collins made it sound like there were handfuls still stupid enough to think Romney would have done a better job.

    As the layoffs continue, Obamacare costs become reality and the lies regarding Benghazi FINALLY leak out, I would contend (gasp!) it should be the other way around. (no sarcasm).

    #777685

    dobro
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    58% is not great? And the electoral vote wasn’t a landslide, I guess. Remember when GWB left office he was at 22%. I think you can lower that floor.

    Let’s check in two years from now when Obamacare has been fully implemented to see how the cost curve is going. As I said in another thread, after Obama and President Hillary Clinton have 5 or 6 years to tweak it, I think it will look pretty good.

    #777686

    DBP
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    If at first you don’t succeed . . .

    Tweak, tweak again.

    #777687

    JoB
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    When the political leasders of the republican party said before the election that it didn’t matter to them who fills the seat.. any warm body will do…

    it is no surprise that they didn’t have much confidence in him

    #777688

    dobro
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    Here’s the most important thing about the 58% approval that makes it more than just “good”. It means that after 4 years of socialist, kenyan,secret muslim, birther, lazy, not too bright,gangsta, Chicago politics, etc, cr*p being flung at Obama by the right wing cranks, he’s still popular. All the trashing failed. The wingers lost the argument and lost the American people. And they’re not going to win anybody back with these tactics. A shift has occurred. We’ll see where it goes, but I feel optimistic.

    #777689

    kootchman
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    Yea.. I remember GHWB approval ratings too… 87%. Let’s see how new college graduates and low skill service workers fare economically over the next four years. Add in all the Obamacare taxes yet to hit. Now, will Obamanomics create more jobs, more income.. or do we now reside in Eurofunk employment stall? France, Spain, Italy, Greece all tried to perpetuate their socialist/democratic model too… with government subsidy… look at them now! After 4 years we haven’t expanded the economy enough, to cover the costs of Obamacare for 30 days… gonna borrow more?

    3/7-10/91 Gallup 87

    #777690

    Smitty
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    “Let’s check in two years from now when Obamacare has been fully implemented to see how the cost curve is going. As I said in another thread, after Obama and President Hillary Clinton have 5 or 6 years to tweak it, I think it will look pretty good.”

    Fair enough.

    And, the 47% was in reference to Obama’s floor. The folks not willing to vote out their meal ticket (pun intended).

    #777691

    JoB
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    Smitty..

    “The folks not willing to vote out their meal ticket (pun intended).

    the election is over.

    The kind of remarks that were made about presidential candidate Obama stretched the limits of good taste..

    those made about our sitting president tip well over the top.

    now i know i am not having a good day today and that makes me a little cranky..

    but the truth is that i am literally sick of what some people seem to believe is perfectly acceptable behavior.

    I am sorry those who would have seen this election tip in another direction don’t get the basic fact that it didn’t happen the way they thought it would.

    that old saying ..

    you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time applies here..

    there simply wasn’t enough money to sell a failed agenda to those who would pay the most for it.

    isn’t it time to get over it and get on with something productive?

    if those of us on the democratic side who want Obamacare reformed got together with those on the Repbulcian side who want Obamacare refromed…

    and convinced businesses to back us because reforming Obamacare is in their best interests..

    imagine how much rpessure we could put on Capital Hill to get it done.

    If the p..ing match continues…

    business as usual will continue..

    and the same folks who thought it was worth economically busting the citizens of the United States to elect a new President will still be at the same game.

    Your choice.

    I have already made mine.

    #777692

    dobro
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    “Yea.. I remember GHWB approval ratings too… 87%.”

    Right, at the beginning of Iraq War #1. Remember where they were by election day 1992? GWB was flying high right after 9/11 too. Down to 22% as they booed him out the door. The American people tend to rally around their leaders in times of war.

    #777693

    dhg
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    Is this the percentages forum? I know of this group of freeloaders, most of them pay no federal tax and so I suppose the rest just expect the government to support them. I sympathize with Ward but June, Wally and the Beav will not get off their butts and work.

    GW did tell one awesome joke at a dinner one night. he burst into Cheney’s room with the news that his popularity was at 22% and Cheney said, “What’s your secret?”

    #777694

    JanS
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    Smitty..you are still supporting a man who said that Obama bought the blacks, women, etc with “gifts”? you are still supporting a man who lied at every turn? You are still supporting a man who won’t take one ounce of the blame for losing the campaign he was in, for losing the election?

    Oh, and, do tell, what is the truth according to Smitty about Benghazi? What the hell inside information do you have that no one else in all the country has? “Obamacare to blame”? no, an easy excuse for the companies to cut back..themselves to blame. And, prominent Repubs rejecting Romney, his statements (made in a phone call that he didn’t think would get out about gifts bought, etc. You believe that? Why in the world do you, an intelligent man from what I can tell, still defend this out- of- touch guy? I don’t get it.

    Yes, the Prez won, got reelected..but we should stay divided? I don’t get it.

    #777695

    Smitty
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    JoB, what are you talking about? What “remark”? I can’t say that people tend to vote in a way that favors their best interest? Whether it be people on food stamps and ever extended unemployment, or rich folk wanting lower taxes so they can keep more of their money…it is all them same.

    Obama has presided over an economy that has created more people dependent on government than ever before….of course they are going to vote for more free stuff. Who wouldn’t?

    My question is, why is it wrong/poor tatse/sour grapes/racist to state that? Because you said it is?

    #777696

    JKB
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    Polls are tricky. Gallup estimated Romney ahead 50-49 on the Monday night before the election.

    And 58% approval? Obama certainly didn’t get 58% of the vote.

    Advice to both sides: when you’re shouting about how insane the other side is, and how only an imbecile could possibly support it… recall that roughly 50% of the country did support it.

    #777697

    Smitty
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    But JKB, the liberals always say that half the people used to support slavery! Half the people thought the world was flat! Half the people thought women should not vote!

    See how easy it is to be a liberal?

    #777698

    dobro
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    “…the liberals always say…”

    You know, whenever a person starts a sentence with this type of insipid generalization it makes them sound…kind of…let’s just say “reality challenged”.

    #777699

    dobro
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    “And 58% approval? Obama certainly didn’t get 58% of the vote.”

    Approval ratings and vote totals are two different things. Both have meaning.

    #777700

    dobro
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    More percentages. President Obama received 44% of his vote total from person’s of color. That means 56% of his winning margin came from white people.

    You guys actually believe that half of the country is lazy and wants to live off gov’t handouts and “free stuff”? That’s patently ridiculous.

    #777701

    JKB
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    And 35% of posts on this thread are from dobro.

    uhhh…true enough as I write this, but it’ll be off once I post. That’s what I get for accurately knowing the location of the thread.

    #777702

    Smitty
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    “You guys actually believe that half of the country is lazy and wants to live off gov’t handouts and “free stuff”? That’s patently ridiculous.”

    No, not half. But enough to change the outcome. Not sure what your white percentage of the vote has to do with anything.

    #777703

    dobro
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    “But enough to change the outcome…”

    How much would you say, then?

    #777704

    kootchman
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    No dobro.. this would not be true

    “You guys actually believe that half of the country is lazy and wants to live off gov’t handouts and “free stuff”? That’s patently ridiculous.

    I don’t believe they “want” to.. but I think too many have too little information, too few skills, and fewer and fewer role models to show them the alternative. It’s the social version of Stockholm syndrome. Even a beaten, toothless dog, unable to hunt will hang around the back porch if there is a meal coming.

    #777705

    dobro
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    From my point of view, its great that Republicans want to rely on these stories to explain their huge loss. (White House, Senate, lost seats in the House) The longer it takes for them to face up to the real reasons they lost, the more elections they will lose.

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