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December 17, 2015 at 2:01 am #829493
Mark32ParticipantDecember 17, 2015 at 8:46 am #829498
JanSParticipantMark32..did you watch the Repub “debate” last night? I didn’t either, and have read synopses only. But…did they speak about the economy of this country even once? We are not as in debt as we were at the end of GWB’s second term…and that’s a fact. But they don’t seem interested in talking about what they would do to make things better if they become president. What we heard was childish backbiting, arguments about who has the highest %age in the polls, who’s the most insulting, we must deny all Muslims back into this country whether born here or not, whatever strangeness comes out of Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson(say “boots on the ground” 30 times). In the lesser “debate” we heard that Chris Christie has a personal friendship with King Hussein, a man who has been dead for 19 years. What are we supposed to think? How can we take these people seriously? We would certainly like to have an opponent who can be serious about things affecting this country. Because our country, for all the jumps in the economy, employment, etc., is in trouble. And don’t let us get started on the climate change scientists, and how our climate is changing (or not according to the Repub candidates…nothing to see there, it’s all just normal), and how it’s affecting our cities, our people, our world. So…please, please, please, Mark 32, tell us why you think Bernie Sanders is so scary. What does he say that really bugs you?
December 17, 2015 at 4:46 pm #829499
SmittyParticipantIt was actually the most substantive debate to date. I implore people to either watch it themselves or go to something other than your bookmarked liberal sites to get a good summary.
They are really at the whim of the moderators – in this case CNN – who did a great job imo. Yes, a couple of sound bites that I am sure MSDNC ran over and over and over, but it certainly was not the bulk of the debate.
Jan that is not true about the debt. Are you talking yearly deficit?
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
December 17, 2015 at 8:36 pm #829500
JanSParticipantand..let’s not forget Carly Fiorina bringing back the “warrior class”…you know..those generals who were let go by Obama because he didn’t like what they were telling him…you know…like Jack Keane…here…listen for yourself…(and yes, it’s a Daily Kos article…but…video is from Fox…so, Smitty…if you quit with the only listening to the liberal media for information, I’ll forgive you Fox News…and you’re really serious about the debate? Yes, I can watch video now. Couldn’t watch the debate because I was WORKING! So, are we watching the same thing? Mr. Trump and Mr. Bush and their back and forth childish behavior…Mr. Trump’s ego on stage? Mr. Carson, who may have been a great doctor, but, wow, he is seriously not qualified …
and the lessers…Mr. Christie? seriously? SERIOUSLY? Does none of that bother you, truly? Are you the same Smitty we used to know?
December 17, 2015 at 8:40 pm #829501
JanSParticipantoh, and, Smitty, I misspoke…thanks for pointing that out. Here’s all the real facts…as of the beginning of this year…more numbers will come out in January, 2016, I’m sure.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/01/obamas-numbers-january-2015-update/
December 17, 2015 at 10:06 pm #829502
SmittyParticipantCarly did make a mistake there for sure. That said, there are ALWAYS mistakes in debates. Obama making fun of Romney saying that the “80’s are calling and they need their foreign policy back” in reaction to Mitt’s assertion that Russia was our biggest geo-political threat would have been run over and over and over on liberal sites had W said it. Hell W never ever uttered the words Mission Accomplished yet everyone to this day thinks he did!
Trump IS childish, but not Jeb. Just because he got caught up defending himself doesn’t mean he is on his level.
Also, I didn’t say people had to watch it live – just DVR it and make up your own mind – which I know for a fact you of all people are capable of doing.
Carly is my choice – but she can’t get traction.
Cruz and Rubio are in second.
Christie third.
Carson makes me squirm with his sloooooooooow responses. Something is not right there.
Paul. Joke
Jeb. He really is too nice – this is about the only thing Trump is right on!
Kasich? Not impressed and something about his arm movements freak me out…..weird, I know.
December 17, 2015 at 11:06 pm #829504
JanSParticipantSmitty…no DVR…there are those of us who only have basics…no cable either…but I have a laptop and time in the evening, or between clients.
Carly, in my opinion, is a liar and an insult to smart women. To me she is pure ugliness…on the inside. . And her attacks on Planned Parenthood with “untruths”? Abhorrent !. She’ll never be president of anything.
Jeb’s in over his head. He sounds like he wants to continue his brother’s presidency, and no one wants that.Jeb doesn’t have original thoughts, IMO
Christie…an ignorant blowhard…and has lousy people working for him and giving him information. King Hussein has been dead for 19 years…yet they’re personal friends? Give me an effing break. He needs to sell insurance.
Carson…I feel the same. Something is not right with him.Maybe he operated on his own brain too many times :D
Cruz is too evangelical, fundamental, right wing religious for me.
Rubio is only calling it in. He doesn’t participate as a Senator, and doesn’t have the cred to run this country.
Agreed on Kasich and Paul.
Bernie on the other hand, gets no press at all unless they have to do it, and wow, he’s pretty much right on. I can’t figure out why Mark32 finds him so scary, unless Mark32 is afraid his tax loopholes will be taken away ;-)
BTW…March 26, 2016…10am…put it on your calendar now..caucuses. The later primary is just for show. Can’t make the caucus? I can link to a way/form to make your voice heard without being there.
December 18, 2015 at 12:19 am #829506
waynsterParticipantHmmm who to vote for….who not to vote for……..
December 18, 2015 at 12:28 am #829507
Mark32ParticipantJanS, What scares me about Bernie is his willingness to start new programs and spend more money. If it makes you feel better I feel the same way about Republican candidates when they talk about new military spending or their own programs as well. I just believe we first need to pay for what we have and then reduce the debt. And yes, I do know the last time we reduced the debt Bill Clinton was president.
And as far as I know I receive no tax loopholes, not even a mortgage interest deduction. I’m a proponent for a simple flat tax on everyone and everything.
December 18, 2015 at 12:41 am #829508
JanSParticipantflat tax is kinda regressive, isn’t it? Why should I, on SS, who works part time, struggles to pay the rent, pay the same rate as you? (frankly, in my mind, why should I be paying at all, but that’s another time-lol).
Mr. Sanders will also raise taxes on that 1%, and maybe cut some from that boondoggle of a defense budget to change things. So…if he’s scary to you, how do you feel about Hillary Clinton?
In other news, Ben Carson has said now that he wants to put US troops at the Canadian border to fight ISIS…should we ask how much that would cost? SMH !
December 18, 2015 at 1:21 am #829509
Mark32ParticipantWow, I don’t know what I’ve said that makes you think I don’t pay the same rate as you, I likely do, and I don’t believe a flat tax is regressive, I believe flat tax is the only fair tax.
I feel better about Hillary; but, like all the Republican candidates, I’m still not sold. We’ll see.
Tom Kelley, I understand your point.
December 18, 2015 at 1:25 am #829510
JanSParticipantand what do you think would be a fair flat tax? 10%? 15%?
December 18, 2015 at 1:30 am #829511
JanSParticipantMark 32, like you, I have’t committed to any one candidate yet. The Dem slate is much more concise…Mr. O’malley doesn’t have a chance, I’m thinking. I’ve listened to him, he sounds reasonable, intelligent, etc. I’ve also spoken with friends on Maryland, where he was Gov., and they don’t think very highly of him.
That leaves 2, and they will Duke it out come spring…caucuses and primaries. I can’t , in good conscience, support any of those in the clown car. I don’t find many intelligent, redeeming qualities in them that would relate to running this country in a fair way. But that’s just me…others may feel differently.
December 18, 2015 at 1:56 am #829512
Mark32ParticipantThank you JanS.
The “Fair rate” would be determined by what it takes to cover the spending. Spend more and the rate goes up next year, spend less and it goes down. Kind of forces you to have priorities, like we do.
Anyway, that’s my dream.
Thanks for the topic.
December 18, 2015 at 3:37 am #829514
JanSParticipantspeaking of how others feel about Republican candidates…there’s this…notice, it’s not from a “liberal” media source..
http://conservativetribune.com/general-claim-about-trump/
goes with this:
December 18, 2015 at 5:10 am #829515
redblackParticipantsmitty: i watched a republican debate last month (not my first) and at one point i turned to my wife and said – kinda slack-jawed – “they’re actually talking about new public works and infrastructure programs.” they all sounded like eisenhower. it was pretty funny.
but at the next debate they were all hatey and tough again, and talking about how social security needed to be fixed by wall street and how we have to use our $multi-trillion military to fight a bunch of destitute jihadist thugs.
like we’ve forgotten what they did to private pensions while they were gutting public pensions. or iraq.
no, i don’t read huffpo. or kos. or NYT. or wapo. i detest msnbc. don’t listen to NPR. can’t get no air ‘merica because the media is run by big money.
i really don’t give a rip what a bunch of 6- and 7-figure “presenters” think, anyway. same with people on facebook, for that matter.
i watch 30-60 minutes of KIRO per day while i wake up and drink coffee. i read various non-blingy/advertisey news sites. i love the onion. also, too. colbert. c-span is the best comedy network going.
and (to bring it back to the original topic) no, i don’t hate hispanics.
i hate canadians.
kidding!
by the way, we’re all waiting with bated breath to hear you and HMC reporting on the electricity at the local republican caucuses in ’16. can’t wait!
maybe you should come catch the dem caucuses. if they’re anything like 2008, they’ll be an entertaining food fight.
December 18, 2015 at 1:57 pm #829517
SmittyParticipantI am not thrilled with any of the R’s. Mitt was my guy and – while people could disagree with his policies – he was at least smart, reasoned and had a good public/private resume’. No one in this group comes close. If I could mix Carly + Cruz and sprinkle in a bit of Christie I would be happy. Can’t do that last time I checked, so barring some huge revelation HRC has this in the bag, imo.
December 19, 2015 at 1:45 pm #829537
redblackParticipantso your perfect candidate is sort of a frankenrepublican. scary.
cruz is pretty fundamentalist christian. are you okay with religious doctrine setting executive policy?
i’m not.
December 19, 2015 at 3:28 pm #829538
waynsterParticipantWhere is Berry Goldwater oh yea dead…. wait where is George Wallace wait he was a democrat oh yea dead too…. wait where is tricky Dicky Nixon dead too….hmmm Jerry Falwell oh yea dead to… My gosh don’t tell me uncle Ronny is dead too….. ahhhhhh !!!!……wait put them together and you know they have Cruz a frankenrepulican…..wait he needs hair Donald loan him some hahahaha!!!…..
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2015/11/23
yep still leaning for a women president next year…
December 19, 2015 at 5:34 pm #829541
dobroParticipantLuckily, none of the Repub candidates can win the general election. Let’s see, failed businesswoman and hate monger + evangelical end times Xtian + criminal blowhard bully = President? I don’t think so.
I’m firmly in Bernie’s camp thru the primaries and caucuses, but if he doesn’t prevail I believe I’ll have to agree with Smitty (!!!)
” barring some huge revelation HRC has this in the bag, imo.”
December 20, 2015 at 1:37 am #829545
TanDLParticipantSaw this on social media:
President Obama: Born in Hawaii (A U.S. Territory at the time)- American Mother – Kenyan Father
Ted Cruz: Born in Canada (A foreign country) – American Mother – Cuban Father
And yet we haven’t heard a peep from Republicans about Ted Cruz being qualified to be a Presidential candidate, while birth question frenzies went on for months about President Obama.
Whatever do you suppose the difference is?
December 20, 2015 at 3:37 am #829546
redblackParticipanttan DL: is that a rhetorical question?
December 20, 2015 at 4:52 am #829548
miwsParticipantTanDL, data point; Obama was born in 1961, a couple weeks shy of the two-year anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood.
Mike
December 20, 2015 at 7:14 am #829552
redblackParticipantnice comic, waynster, but it’s backwards.
nowadays, the debate presenters are the cavemen with boulders. the people behind the podiums are the interlopers and aliens awaiting crushings by our country’s economic and political elite.
December 20, 2015 at 9:17 am #829553
JanSParticipantdobro…there is a “Bernie or Bust” thing going on….Bernie supporters who refuse/will refuse to vote Hillary if she gets the nod. They will write Bernie in, or vote a third party candidate. And that might possibly have that “Nader effect”…and then where would we be. As confident as people are, nothing is EVER in the bag…and we have to remember that. Once that rumor (in the bag) gets spread around, people stay home in droves…
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