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December 15, 2012 at 6:25 pm #779758
redblackParticipantwell-said, cait.
the first question to be answered is, “why don’t we have sensible gun control laws?”
and the answer lies in the fact that guns and ammunition are huge, profitable industries in america. they have very powerful lawyers and lobbyists who want to protect those industries.
do we, as a nation, now have the will and the consensus to scrutinize them and check their influence on our society?
December 15, 2012 at 6:41 pm #779759
JanSParticipantI watched Piers Morgan last night….three people on, one of who was a gun lobbyist. His solution? Less gun laws…and he yelled, and talked over the other two participants…and he was an idiot. The other two participants were rational ( a senator, and a rep. from the NRA), and you could tell they were frustrated at the other guy, who wouldn’t let them speak. And Piers Morgan just about took his head off…
December 15, 2012 at 6:47 pm #779760
dobroParticipantin addition to R/Bs question, I would add-
Why are we drugging our kids? I saw a report that this shooter was on psychotropic drugs, like many of the other young people (Columbine, etc) that have gone off the rails like this. Why don’t we help disaffected young people with counseling and talking rather than mind altering drugs? Oh, that’s right, that costs money.
Why do we allow increasing levels of horrific violence in video games and “entertainments” that kids have plenty of access to? Early training for the coming drone wars, I guess.
Why don’t we have easy access to mental health resources for parents and kids alike that aren’t just drug-based? Oh, more money.
There’s a lot to untangle to figure a way around this kind of unspeakable tragedy, but it’s true that if we don’t start the questioning we’ll never find an answer.
December 16, 2012 at 2:05 am #779761
realvalueremodelerParticipantWhat is the action needed to put an end to the ever repeating violence, conflict and war?
There is actually a time tested and scientifically validated solution. However the solution is not something you can DO much about. It is a simple and enjoyable mental practice. It involves doing next to nothing but profoundly changes a person’s life and the environment in which he/she lives.
Are you ready to set aside looking for the answer in the usual and customary places? Consider entertaining something improbable:
https://westseattleblog.com/forum/topic/peace-on-earth-a-viable-approach
I hope you can see the possibility that there is a way out of our lousy human performance to date.
December 16, 2012 at 2:09 am #779762
westcoastdebParticipantSaw today that Westboro is planning to picket (or whatever you call what they do) the memorial for these kids.
Senseless.
December 16, 2012 at 7:09 am #779763
JanSParticipantdeb…I wish the ground would just open up beneath them and swallow them whole. There has to be a reason they exist, but it’s beyond my imagination…
December 16, 2012 at 7:11 am #779764
JanSParticipantoops…double post
December 16, 2012 at 7:48 am #779765
CaitParticipantThough Jan, if anything has ever warranted a double post that would be it. Agreed, agreed, agreed.
December 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm #779766
TanDLParticipantHaving a conversation about the easy availability of guns in America is a conversation we need to have in depth following this horrible event. But I feel there are other conversations we need to have as well. One of the biggest is how we deal with mental illness in this country. Here’s a blog posting from a mom pleading for help with her mentally ill son, that’s making the rounds on Facebook.
http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html How can we help this mom before she and other innocents become victim statistics?
Another conversation might be what price are we paying for allowing our children to be exposed to violent media and “entertainment” venues. Maybe how we’re buying into technology that so easily isolates our children from each other, diminishing abilities to empathize and relate to one another as fellow human beings.
There are likely other conversations we could have as well to begin not only the process of healing from this awful event, but to look at our society with a critical eye and see if there aren’t ways to stop this.
December 17, 2012 at 3:56 am #779767
CaitParticipantI’m not sure what about the “I Am ____ ____ Mom” article rubs me the wrong way but it does. (I’m following Anderson Cooper’s lead and not mentioning his name.)
December 17, 2012 at 4:23 am #779768
CaitParticipantMaybe it’s just because I’m not a parent but a legitimate reason to imprison someone is a legitimate reason regardless of whether it’s my child or not. If the answer is that things are as hopeless as she admits they are and imprisonment saves her life and maybe the lives of others, why wouldn’t you make that call? I understand there are maternal instincts involved by the “I’m not convinced that this is the answer for my son” doesn’t cut it for me. It has to be hard, but it doesn’t sound like mental health care has helped and I’m sure this isn’t the only case of it’s kind. What do we do when both prison systems and all known current means of mental health care fail?
December 17, 2012 at 7:48 am #779769
JanSParticipantdefinitely a good read…and will start even more conversations:
http://www.stonekettle.com/2012/12/bang-bang-crazy-part-two.html
December 17, 2012 at 3:45 pm #779770
JoBParticipantWe teach our children to be good killers via video games..
what was once understood to be the game of cowboys and Indians or cops and robbers now teaches kids the physical rush of mowing down as many people as you can as quickly as you can
we feed them rage via the nightly news…
and we expect this not to turn out badly?
What were we thinking?
December 17, 2012 at 4:13 pm #779771
TanDLParticipantInsightful writing from Alaska, JanS.
December 17, 2012 at 4:48 pm #779772
JoBParticipantJanS… i want to add my thanks to TanDL’s
i think like that..
but i sure don’t write like that ;)
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