NOT SO GREEN | it will never happen

[CO2isPlantFood]

I guess in the perfect GREEN DREAM the residential users adjust there lifestyle but that doesn’t happen and so it is always the residential customer that gets hurt in the renewable death spiral. The baseload provider and the industry are usually quite happy and leave the residential customer to rot.

Previously they claimed that there was no need for any kind of backup for renewables.
Next, they claimed that battery technology would somehow come along and make renewables work.
Their newest claim : it’s ok to have a lot of renewables so long as someone else is providing the back up.

Examples will have to be made : Germany.

Big business are exempt from paying the additional green tax to support the switchover to renewables, because if they weren’t, they have to raise their prices substantially and even the greenest of green governments knows what that means. Bang goes any competitive edge on the exports front and eventually, the manufacturers would simply relocate to a more business friendly country. With a revolver like that held to their head, Berlin caved in to business interests. When all six chambers are loaded, it’s a no brainer, even for greens.

The state electricity grid is obliged to buy electricity from renewable sources at guaranteed prices, which are well above the wholesale prices charged by the traditional generators. Who’s financing that gap ? Well, that’s the government but one has to ask where they are they getting all the extra money to do that ? Easy, they just charge the consumers an extra tax on their bill.

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7 June 2016

The Danish government has announced a new proposal to resolve the problem of the renewable energy tax (PSO) which the EU believes to be illegal and which has become markedly more expensive for businesses and citizens than planned.

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[HMC Rich]

Imagine that from the Danish. A country where you can’t buy something over $1500.00 and if you do and a citizen complains, the police can search your house. But that must be a progressive utopia. Wink.

Didn’t the Germans allow in about 1 Million refugees who are not used to cold weather? They might get angry along with the average German citizens. Well, the article is right. Time will tell and I hope it doesn’t cause too many deaths.

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[dhg]

Oil companies and coal companies have long poisoned the air and the ground and sold their products for cheap. If they had to clean up, they’d have to charge a lot more so we opted to keep it all cheap. Now comes the time to pay for that. Cleaning the soil, cleaning the air costs a lot of money. Burning all the oil found in the ground comes at a very high cost: global warming, intense storms that are more frequent, flooding, droughts. Alternative sources have proved themselves to be more efficient and they’re getting better year on year.

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[CO2isPlantFood]

dhg – welcome back, with the usual non response of ” global warming – fires, floods, hailstones, plague and pestilence ” . Oh tell us all, how are they ” more efficient ” ?

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[JTB]

I don’t know why someone would post an article from 2012 (penned by an avowed opponent of renewable energy in response to climate change) when Germany revised it’s Renewable Energy Resources Act in 2014 to make significant changes throughout the program. German Renewable Energy Act

It appears German consumers experienced a decrease in energy costs in 2015 for the first time since assuming some of the expense for transitioning from fossil and nuclear sources. And it seems those consumers are satisfied with how the program has progressed. Well, perhaps not the climate change skeptics. German households

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[CO2isPlantFood]

Trademark German efficiency is also one way Germans cope with their energy bills. Like industry, German consumers have turned to savings strategies …

Really JTB ? ! Is this Clean Energy Wire attempt at putting spin on the disaster of Electric prices in Germany the best you can do ??

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[JTB]

It appears Plant Food missed the data about German consumers’ attitudes toward energy costs or didn’t bother to read the article. Perhaps he will make a visit and explain to the Germans all about the disaster they seem not to appreciate.

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[JoB]

JTB.. excellent suggestion
i think a trip to Germany is a great suggestion for anyone
but especially apt here

• This reply was modified 7 years, 10 months ago by JoB.

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[CO2isPlantFood]

The lead sentence in my reply is from Page 3 of your ” article “. You don’t seem to want to respond to my 7 June, 2016 report. Is it too current for you ?

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[JTB]

Plant Food, I assumed you viewed German consumers’ more efficient use of energy as a good thing so it didn’t seem necessary to comment. Elsewhere, the same article indicates those consumers aren’t particularly concerned about the cost of energy. I don’t read German, so I can’t evaluate the research the Clean Energy Wire cited to inform those findings.

Regarding the Danes, perhaps they will adjust their policy to make it more workable as the Germans did in 2014 and hopefully achieve similar improvements in energy costs. We’ll see since the article makes clear there will be an examination of the matter.

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