NICKELSVILLE GOATS NEED HELP

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  • #606042

    Betty T
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    Received a call a while ago for help for the goats at Nickelsville. Is there some kind animal loving friend who can provide them with some hay?

    They are completely out! Everybody loves these goats. Can someone please help?

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    #781060

    Talaki34
    Participant

    I have found a store in Kent that has goat feed pellets and bales. I can pay for feed, but I need someone to pick it up.

    #781061

    Talaki34
    Participant

    I am going to go and get two bags of pellets for now and will drop them off after work if I can find the camp after dark. Hopefully someone who has a truck will be willing to pick up the 4 bales. 80-100 lbs a piece.

    #781062

    Betty T
    Member

    Talaki34

    If you still need someone when you see this Rick Gay on Nickelsville Works has a truck and will haul but needs to know where the hay is loca

    ted.

    #781063

    Talaki34
    Participant

    If Rick Gay is on Facebook, I cannot access him. I am not on it. Is there another way to call him?

    I did deliver two bags of orchard grass pellets, one salt block and a garbage can to store the pellets in. I left my number for the goat keeper to call me. I am also speaking with a woman who operates a goat rescue operation. Who knew that goats should not have grains (I had to take the original food back) or human food of any kind and that there are a list of plants that will actually kill them.

    I am learning so much. Very cool!

    #781064

    mehud7
    Participant

    It is one thing to end up at Nickelville with your pets but those goats were given to them. Maybe the person who gave them the goats should take them back since they aren’t being fed properly.

    #781065

    Betty T
    Member

    mehud The goats have grown up at Nickelsville since last year.

    #781066

    Betty T
    Member

    Talaki34

    All I can do is relay messages.

    Peggy was on Nickelsville Works saying goats don’t eat pellets. ??? What do I know. Also said they have no way to keep more than 1 bale of hay.

    Could you give me your email or a phone number to relay to Rick Gay?

    #781067

    JoB
    Participant

    Why is peggy not feeding the goats?

    #781068

    Talaki34
    Participant

    Betty, I am trying to forward my number to you through the editor. I don’t know if they can do that or not. If they can do it, please give me a call soon. I get up at about 0200 to get ready for work so bed time is approaching. :)

    My understanding from the rescue organization is that some goats will not readily eat the pellets, but most will when they get hungry enough.

    I left my number at the rear gate entrance, I have yet to hear from the person taking care of the goats.

    #781069

    oddreality
    Participant

    Is Hayes Feed store in Burien out of business? They always have hay at least they used to.

    Seems like they should ask for hay way before they

    run out especially during the holidays when things are closed.

    What will they do with the sheep when the camp moves??

    #781070

    Talaki34
    Participant

    The two food items that have been Vet recommended are Orchard Grass or Timothy Hay. Bale or Pellet. Bales are probably better as long as the feed is up off the ground and can be stored. Pellets seems to be their best option at this time if they can convince the goats to eat them.

    I am including a link to some info:

    http://www.goatsave.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=10&Itemid=8

    I will still purchase the bales, but we need to come up with a storage solution.

    #781071

    ssaird
    Participant

    Has anybody thought about renting the goats out to earn money for Nickelsville?

    #781072

    Betty T
    Member

    The issue here is not “why didn’t they do something sooner” but getting it done and maybe not let it happen again.

    #781073

    Betty T
    Member

    JoB

    Is Peggy supposed to feed the goats?

    I’m just a relay.

    #781074

    hammerhead
    Participant

    ssaird, um that is why they got the goats last year was to eat the blackberry bushes around them.

    #781075

    Talaki34
    Participant

    Since I have joined this “Bleating Goat” discussion a little after the fact, once the goats are fed might I suggest we ask the person from the goat rescue to come and assess the conditions the goats are living in and give us some options how we can bring their care up to a healthy and sustainable standard. If they only have storage for one bale of hay, that is telling me the pen they are staying in (hopefully with adequate shelter at least) is very tiny.

    ssaird – Great idea, but it would require a vehicle/trailer, licensing and lots of training to produce a qualified goat herder. They also use electrical fencing and some have the added presence of a dog. For larger areas the herders will sleep on sight. It is a big undertaking and a very serious business that requires a lot of training.

    Betty – I will have my cell with me. Please have Rick Gay call me or anyone with a truck who is willing to get at least one or two bales of Timothy Hay or Orchard Grass.

    #781076

    Sue
    Participant

    Talaki34, I just wanted to say thank you for stepping in and helping out. I’m not in a position to help with a truck, but wanted to acknowledge your help and say thanks.

    #781077

    Betty T
    Member

    I’ll try to get your number to Rick if can do so without posting it anywhere. Other than that, I have to bow out of the “Goat Issues”. My intention was only to relay the need message. Other than that I’m not involved in any way with the goats. This is for the person in charge to deal with and probably Scott too.

    #781078

    DBP
    Member

    Nickelsville is supposed to have at least two dedicated pet coordinators, and they are the ones who are supposed to ensure that the goats and all other animals at camp are being cared for properly. That does not mean that a pet coordinator can’t come on here (or delegate someone else to come on here) and ask for help with buying hay or whatever, but that doesn’t seem to be what’s happening here. Rather, what seems to be happening is that Blog folks are trying to fill in for a NV staff person who is either absent or asleep at the wheel.

    This is clearly a problem, and it demonstrates once again why management of this camp (and of homeless issues in general) should not be left to volunteers.

    I echo the concerns of mehud and hammerhead. The fact that we’re having this discussion about goat food without any oversight from Nickelsville staff suggests that the goats are not being properly cared for and that Animal Control or some other animal sanctuary organization (like PAWS or Passado’s Safe Haven) should be contacted.

    Betty, I don’t want you to feel like you got “burned” for passing along this important request for help, but I would like some assurance that someone at camp is taking permanent responsibility for feeding and caring for these animals . . . to the extent that anything at Nickelsville can even be “permanent.”

    #781079

    JanS
    Participant

    DBP..while I mostly agree with you, pleae remember that NV staff is not properly equipped at all times with computers, laptops, the latest in smart phones…and may not be able to come on here readily. I may be wrong about that, but…hey, I’m wrong a lot of the time. In the meantime, maybe they simply relay the message through those who volunteer there to help out….like Betty.

    #781080

    Talaki34
    Participant

    I have a Doc appointment late this afternoon and I will try and swing by NV tonight to see if I can get a feel for what problems they are facing. If I cannot get there tonight, I will try for sometime this weekend. I think like lots of things in life, maybe having the goats was not thought through for the long term.

    Please let me do some checking before anyone jumps.

    #781081

    CSWS
    Participant

    We have goats at school. They really need very little but they do need a shelter from the rain-nothing fancy but it should keep them totally dry and clean water to drink. As for food they don’t ‘need’ pellets. Hay is much cheaper and lasts longer and the rats don;t care for it as much as they do pellets! I do feed my goats goat food but I can afford it and have no storage problems, it would not be neglectful IMHO to not feed them ‘feed’ as long as they have food around them to eat and get hay everyday. They should have a nice round belly if they are being taken care of. I am going to get my guys some food this week, I’ll drop off a couple of bales-I buy it wrapped in plastic for about a $1 more but it is compack and stores easily so I’ll get them some of that. I’ll see if I can go in and check on the goats too if they will let me.

    #781082

    miws
    Participant

    Yes, thanks Talaki, for stepping up to help on this, (and to Betty for relaying the message).

    Jo is correct.

    Peggy is the one that should be stepping up to make sure the goats are fed. She can afford to “donate”, and last I knew, she had a Chev/GMC mini van, plenty big enough to haul some bales of hay. She is also the one that bought the goats for NV.

    Unless policy has changed since I lived there a year ago, the Pet Co-Ordinator, (back then me—-solo), did not have direct oversight of the goats. That was tasked to the two to three Camp elected Goat Herders. Although, if there had been a serious enough issue come up, I possibly could have been called in to help.

    Mike

    #781083

    hammerhead
    Participant

    Really? As DP has stated in other posts it is ONLY a matter of when NV is going to shutting down, then what is going to happen with the goats then. Why is nobody addressing this. What the elephant to big?

    NV should have never been given the goats in the first place. SO who ever got the goats, can the goats go back the “breeder”. Another issue, as if the large breeds rescue don’t have enough problems already, again if the goats were never given to NV then we would not have to try and rescue them.

    CSWS thank you for the info on the goats. But the fact that the humans are living in horrible conditions, whether or not the goats have a shelter, the goats are the last thing the humans down there should be worrying about.

    Giving cat and dog food is easy, carrying bails of hay is not. As others have mentioned you need a vehicle big enough to carry it. SO sadly what is going on with the goats, is probably going on with the rest of the animals in the camp.

    Now lets talk about when NV is shut down, again as it has been stated MANY times. Housing is next to impossible to find. Now imagine the ones that do have pets and can not get housing because they have a pet. Then what? The people have to give up their pet. Again no one is thinking long term. NO NEW animals should be allowed in because most likely the animal will have to be given up to have a place live.

    HH/FCAT

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