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March 17, 2016 at 8:37 am #837474
JoBParticipantYou can make your voice heard without attending the caucus.
there is still time to fax in your surrogate affidavit for the Washington Caucus. It must be received by 5 PM tomorrow, Friday, March 18.
March 17, 2016 at 8:47 am #837476
anonymeParticipantI can’t go to the caucus. Is there an alternative to a fax? Don’t have that either. Nor a phone, currently.
March 17, 2016 at 9:21 am #837481
JTBParticipantanonyme, Yes, you can scan a PDF copy of the form and email it. (See the link JoB provided)
“A copy of this form properly completed and signed must be sent either by mail, fax or as
a scanned PDF to the State Democratic Party headquarters and must be received no
later than Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:00 P.M., this is so that the form may be
forwarded to the proper local party organization prior to the Saturday, March 26, 2016
Precinct Caucuses.
Properly completed and signed Surrogate Affidavit Forms must be sent to:
Jaxon Ravens, Chair
RE: Surrogate Affidavit Form
Washington State Democratic Party
PO Box 4027
Seattle, WA 98194
Fax: (206) 583-0301
greg@wa-democrats.org”March 17, 2016 at 9:28 am #837482
SueParticipantWhat I don’t understand is why we’re not allowed to vote via an absentee ballot like in the old days for any reason; this form is tied to needing to say you’re working, disabled, military obligation or religious observance. I’m unable to attend, so that means my vote doesn’t count, unless I lie (which I’m not going to do).
I do appreciate you sharing this, as I had no idea this was even an option. I just wish it was more inclusive of all reasons, or that we were just doing a mail-in ballot.
March 17, 2016 at 9:36 am #837483
JoBParticipantanonyme.. i confess.. i was sent the form last week and didn’t open it until this morning. Jan told me that it can be faxed…
Sue.. what we need is a primary vote.. not a primary caucus.. but getting the state powers to be to see that is apparently not an easy thing.
i am able to sign disabled because it’s the truth… though technically social security now considers me retired.. i guess you age out of disability ;-) and that might be why i got it in the mail..
but i think i would use this form even if i wasn’t completely disabled as events like this leave me with a migraine.. either from the scents people choose to wear or from the noise and stress.
March 17, 2016 at 10:06 am #837485
JTBParticipantI would follow the sense of the WA State absentee voter guidelines and leave it to the Democratic Party to decide if they want to monitor and enforce the letter of the Action Plan.
In some states this might be construed as an attempt to repress voter participation although I don’t have a notion that’s the case here. This seems more like muddled thinking.
March 17, 2016 at 10:23 am #837491
LisaMParticipantDo you have more details on the caucus – dates, locations, etc? I don’t think I received notice,
thanks!March 17, 2016 at 10:52 am #837497March 17, 2016 at 10:53 am #837498
helihuParticipantWell, that’s strange behavior. I posted two links and it shows the URL of one and a preview of the other. Maybe because one is a WordPress site and so is this site? Anyway, there are two distinct links there.
March 17, 2016 at 11:12 am #837501
JanSParticipantanonyme…I’m pretty sure the form has instruction to email…you’d have to fill out and scan into your computer..
March 17, 2016 at 11:24 am #837511
JanSParticipantI feel that the caucuses are antiquated and that we need to move the Primary in May to March. It was the heads of the Dem party that decided to keep it, and not allow the Primary to be the deciding factor.(the candidates will be on the ballot, but will be only a formality) Yes, it’s true grass roots, but not practical today. The Repubs on the other hand, the way I understand, is…they will caucus, but the deciding factor will be the primary vote. The world has gotten big, and as noted above by one poster, the caucus is a week away, and he/she had no idea. People just don’t go, thinking that the primary will do it. It really, really counts a lot of people and their votes out. But..Washington…resistant to change, always lagging behind just a little ;-)
March 17, 2016 at 1:27 pm #837522
mpentoParticipantMarch 17, 2016 at 3:04 pm #837535
JanSParticipantmpento….it might work
March 17, 2016 at 8:37 pm #837568
JanSParticipantI got one in the mail, too….from none other than William Clinton, with a Seattle address….lolol
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March 17, 2016 at 10:32 pm #837591
captainDaveParticipantI don’t mean to be disrespectful, but how does a democrat decide who to vote for this year when your only choice is between a career criminal con-job and a economically illiterate communist?
March 18, 2016 at 1:13 am #837601
JanSParticipanthow does a Republican decide who to vote for when you have such hateful candidates, one wants “Christianity” to rule, the other wants violence to rule….
March 18, 2016 at 1:14 am #837602
JanSParticipantoh, and , yes, deep dwn inside, you wanted to be disrespectful…
March 18, 2016 at 9:42 am #837620
JTBParticipantcaptainDave. The emoticon for tongue-in-cheek is :-d .
disrespectful
[dis-ri-spekt-fuh l]
adjective
1. characterized by, having, or showing disrespect; lacking courtesy or esteem:
a disrespectful remark about teachers.Synonyms
impolite, rude, impertinent, irreverent.March 18, 2016 at 9:57 am #837621
LisaMParticipantI think you can just drop off your ballot without attending the entire caucus for those that cannot invest the time..
March 18, 2016 at 11:05 am #837626
captainDaveParticipantJanS: Today, the decision is relatively easy for me. However, a good case could have been made for any of the seventeen Republican primary candidates over the regurgitated sparse offerings of the neo-leftist party.
The decision process starts with an assessment of the current state of our economy, relative freedoms, and national security. After decades of collaborative corruption in both the Democrat and Republican camps, the “establishment” has left this country on the brink of economic armageddon while having stripped us of our individual liberty, prosperity and sovereignty in the steady march towards global despotism.
Since it seems many other people across the US have the same concerns, my choices have already been narrowed down to two potential candidates who both oppose the mechanisms that are fundamentally changing America into a global socialist state.
I know that many people here believe in the wonderful promises of socialism, but I don’t. I just think of the 160 million lives erased over the last century by the efforts of socialist regimes. They always start out as well meaning governments “for the people”—only to end up with everyone but the top dogs being equally impoverished. In reality, the crony socialist/communist regimes of the last century were fascist by nature—but you can’t tell anyone that because socialist sympathizing media has already maliciously assigned the fascist label to Trump in order to conceal the real intent of the left.
Trump is now my first choice because of his immense background and understanding of real world economics, politics and human nature. In researching history and facts, I find that nearly all the popular notions about Trump are conspiratorially false—this is perhaps why many traditional Democrats and independents around the country are supporting him (including the highest percentages of blacks and muslims of all the Republican candidates!). I think Trump is the only one who stands a good chance of beating the Clinton royalty.
March 18, 2016 at 3:23 pm #837649
mark47nParticipantTo the Captain (I like how your name implies authority)
First, to keep it short and sweet; that is a load of bollocks.
Second, the regimes that you are referring to are communist, not socialist. I also suspect you’re lumping in the Nazis, which has become a common practice. As to the whole fascist label for Trump, the violence that is accompanying his campaign is stunning and he encourages it.
Third, many of the more successful countries out there are Democratic Socialist nations such as France, Germany, all of Scandinavia, Canada. Do I need to go on?
Fourth, Senator Sanders’ numbers on the economy/taxes/social programs have been fact checked over and over again by non partisan sources and have been found to be accurate.
fifth and final, when you’ve been endorsed by David Duke and other leading white supremacists – an not repudiate said endorsements – you can no longer claim you aren’t racist. He is responsible for the tone of his campaign as it doesn’t get to where it is by accident.
One more thing I almost forgot, in case you forgot; Bollocks to that and your paternalistic authority.
March 18, 2016 at 6:19 pm #837669
JanSParticipantmark47n 2 thumbs up
March 18, 2016 at 11:20 pm #837691
captainDaveParticipantmark47n:
USSR = Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. Nazi = National Socialist German Workers Party. The People’s Republic of China is described as a “socialist state” in their 1982 Constitution. Do you see a common thread here?
Vladimir Lenin once said “The goal of socialism is communism”. Democratic socialism is simply a stepping stone to higher levels of centralized control (what we used to call communism). The world is less free today because many nations are heading towards becoming true socialist states whee the means of wealth and production are owned collectively “by the people”, but centrally controlled by elite governing factions.
Don’t you find it odd that there have been no Trump supporters rioting at Bernie’s events? The violence is all being initiated by leftist groups like Black Lives Matter, illegal migrants and other Bernie supporters.
You must have a short memory not to remember the violence during the Obama elections. Why is it excusable for leftists to riot and murder with impunity? You better go back and study your history. Fascism is just socialism with state controlled crony monopolies. Both Hillary and Bernie are true fascists. Trump is a free-market capitalist advocating for a decentralized government that gives more opportunity to citizens–opposite of fascism.
What is your measure of success for your favorite socialist countries? High unemployment?, high taxes? High regulations? High drug use? High poverty? High levels of depression? High government debt? High crime?, High medical incompetency? High number of third-world immigrants needed to prop up the system? High degree of rioting by people who are sick of being controlled? What is it that makes these despotic nations more successful than the US free-enterprise system?
Sanders economic policies are a joke to people who actually understand economics. non partisan college professors don’t count for much because they get their paychecks guaranteed by taxpayers regardless of their worthless forecasts. You don’t seem like someone I could have a logical conversation with about economics. Just ask yourself if negative interest rates seem like a good idea–if so, you really need to get educated.
Trump was never endorsed by the David Duke because he supports Israel–(did you forget that the KKK hates jews?) Some of Trump’s extended family is jewish too. Trump also employs many people of color throughout his companies which is also a problem for the KKK. I see that logic and reading are not among your strong points. Trump also refuted the falsely publicized endorsement on multiple occasion immediately after the alleged claim yet the media failed to report verifiable Facebook and twitter posts. Why do you think that is?
Sorry if my name offends you. That’s just what people call me because I drive boats for a living. You should add “44e” to your name.
March 19, 2016 at 10:03 am #837718
JTBParticipantCaptainDave, I’ve come to realize you’re not well-read in political science and perhaps not even history, so let me point out several details about social democracy. First, it does not intend to overthrow capitalism or replace it with socialism. That’s why revolutionary socialists like Lenin were brutally harsh in their condemnation of social democratic parties and policies. What is true is the social democratic governments strive to regulate corporations in order to enforce social responsibility, achieve socially equitable income distribution through tax policy, and maintain a robust public welfare system-healthcare, education, childcare, etc.
The northern European social democracies have experienced difficulty maintaining their position in recent years as economic productivity has fallen throughout the OECD nations and finance capitalism has established dominance. Nevertheless, the policies enacted by those countries have created living conditions that continue to provide greater satisfaction to their populations than does the United States. The just released “happiness index” in which Denmark again ranked #1 with three other traditionally social democratic countries in the top ten. Others in the top ten include, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand where labor parties have historically achieved policies in line with social democracy. The USA was #13.
As to David Duke and Trump, the KKK’er advised his listeners that not voting for Trump “is really treason to your heritage” and went on to say, ” I’m not saying I endorse everything about Trump. In fact, I haven’t formally endorsed him. But I do support his candidacy, and I support voting for him as a strategic action. I hope he does everything we hope he will do.” He then went on to encourage his listeners to volunteer for the Trump campaign. So your attempt to quibble or dissemble over the lack of a formal endorsement by Duke is either cynically disingenuous or an indication you’re not informed; I suspect the former.
March 19, 2016 at 1:29 pm #837752
captainDaveParticipantJTB:
Question #1: If socialism does not want to eliminate capitalism then why do so many socialists (including people in our own City government) advocate for the abolishment of capitalism?
Question #2: What do you believe caused the massive decline of productivity in Europe? Could it be diminished personal incentives to produce? Forced equality means that nobody has the incentive to work harder than anyone else.
Question #3: How do you think “Finance Capitalism” suddenly established dominance? Could it be that corrupt socialist-controlled central banks lowered interest rates so low that it eliminated all other forms of competitive finance? This eliminated the ability for people to accumulate and “rent” private wealth. Your retirement investment capability is now essentially limited to speculative gambling proceeds.
Question #4: Why are suicide rates in Europe similar to the US if they are so much happier? You can find a million ways to parse subjective “happiness data” to support whatever agenda you want. I had a client from Denmark last summer who said that Danes are happy because they have very low expectations due to the war and economic turmoil they suffered over the last century. Brazilians don’t seem very happy about socialism right now, unless you think they enjoy mass protests in the streets.
RE: David Duke and the KKK: Your premise is that David Duke likes secure borders and Trump likes secure borders, so therefore they are the same. Then your theorem must also be true if Hillary Clinton likes open borders and El Chapo likes open borders, then they are the same. —Especially since El Chapo was encouraging illegal aliens to vote for Clinton and participate in anti-trump protests. How do you expect candidates to have any control over people with opinions?
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