I am a nasty woman and proud of it

[captainDave]

JoB: What makes “some corporations more equal than others” as you say? Would that not typically be because of government assistance or protection? Yes. That IS crony capitalism–which has become increasingly more prevalent over the last fifty years due to corruption and collusion between politicians and monopolistic corporations. Competition is the great equalizer because it keeps companies from getting too dominant (where they have too much wealth and influence).

You fault Trump for succeeding in a City that was administratively dominated by Democrat politics for decades. On one hand, you want all the progressive laws and programs, but on the other, you don’t want people to use them? I don’t get it? Who better to fix the problem than someone who has been on the user end for so long? Trump knows more than anyone how dysfunctional and obstructive big government is to competitive businesses.

After eight years of Obama, why is our infrastructure crumbling? He had a pen, unlimited resources and no push back by congress. Maybe because productivity is not much of a priority for socialists who want to constrain the economy so that they can increase government dependance and assure the fundamental changes promised us? I hope you enjoy the freebies you traded for freedom while they last. The burden you are willing to put on future generations is deplorable. Just remember that karma is a bitch.

You might check your backward assertions on campaign funding. The information is public. Or perhaps you are doing a little too much cherry picking of data to support your emotional conviction? Hillary has raised multitudes over Trump from multi-national monopolies, Wall Street and foreign donors (including hundreds of millions from countries who treat women like property and slaughter LGBT people). Just keep looking the other way, I am sure their dirty money has no influence on her future decisions–right? Trump self-funded his way through the primaries where Hillary is 100% owned by big donors. Trump’s average individual campaign contribution is around $60.

JanS: There is nothing a “privileged white male” can say these days that is not sexist nor racist. If a white male says anything to anyone other than another white male, it is now considered to be sexist, racist or both. The simple existence of white males who don’t capitulate with feminist superiority is the antithesis to progressivism. So have me arrested for having an opinion that all people should be treated equally under the law.

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[JanS]

hey, Dave…then maybe, just maybe, all things being equal…you’re letting your emotions get in the way of your truth about things…. :-/ you’re still not treating, at least in speech, which may mean in mind, women equally…you probably don’t even realize you are doing it, it’s so ingrained…all things being equal, of course..shaking head…because there you go again ” Or perhaps you are doing a little too much cherry picking of data to support your emotional conviction?” lolol…going to get more popcorn…I have tons…keep it up

oh, and OMFG…no pushback from Congress? Are you really serious?

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[JoB]

captain Dave

so.. by your definition.. Trump is a crony capitalist…
explain to me again why it’s in his best interests to change that?

“You fault Trump for succeeding in a City that was administratively dominated by Democrat politics for decades.”

I am not sure what that statement has to do with anything.. but i do wonder if you remember that Trump was a democrat when it was economically advantageous for him to be a democrat?

Porbably not.. because you seem to think that Obama had no pushback from Congress… the same congress that is currently congratulating themselves on successfully obstructing the first black President? the same Congress that refuses to vote on the nomination of a Supreme Court judge picked to be agreeable to them.. at least.. he was until Obama tried to appoint him ?

LOL. no pushback.. in what fantasy world?

The Donald is getting financing somewhere and it isn’t coming from his vast wealth.. so if it isn’t being reported.. where is is coming from? If this isn’t a question you have asked yourself.. it is certainly one that you should. That self funded stuff is more Trump hot air than reality.

I will give him this though.. he is one heck of a salesman. if anyone can convince people to put the fox in charge of the henhouse.. he has .. lock stock and barrel. Of course a Republican pundit once said.. and i paraphrase because i don’t want to bother looking up the quote.. all you have to do to convince people to let them steal from you is convince them that someone else is getting something they should be getting…

you are obviously convinced… i hope you can afford the toll.. because make no mistake there will be a hefty toll.

I started this topic in the spirit of celebration of something you can’t understand because you refuse to admit that it exists… and here i am wrangling with someone who thinks a good argument is composed of belittling their opponent… instead of countering the actual argument.

i have to tell you Captain Dave.. you couldn’t have made my case any more clearly than with your name calling and belittling statements…

I more proud than ever to be a nasty bleeding heart liberal woman .. ;-)

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[JanS]

now, quick, before anyone else speaks…I thought I’d insert this here :)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Feminism

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[JTB]

JoB, I know you are a kind, compassionate person. But there is a point where taking seriously the ramblings of someone clearly uninterested in thoughtful dialogue is pointless and even counterproductive. CaptainDave can torpedo himself without assistance.

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[captainDave]

JoB: Is it politically incorrect and offensive to suggest that the title of your thread is explicitly sexist? Or are you just applying a double standard?

It appears you are dead wrong about your campaign funding assertions:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/campaign-finance/

Note that Hillary’s small donations only account for 16% of her campaign funding while 49% of Trump’s campaign is funded by small donations. I wonder who is really the champion of the people vs big money interests?

Here is a link to a Washington Post article about who is funding the majority of Hillary’s campaign: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-mega-donors-helped-raise-1-billion-for-hillary-clinton/2016/10/22/a92a0ee2-9603-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html

Many of these deep-pocket donors were extremely hated by liberals not so long ago. Now you guys just look the other way and hope for the best?

Three of the top ten are hedge fund managers who will rape the remaining US mortgaged property owners with foreclosures when Hillary tanks the economy. When Hillary is done, only a handful of crony corporations will own the vast majority of real property assets in the US. Do you really not see this coming?

At least Trump will not owe huge favors to the crony corporate elite.

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[waynster]

Katy Perry in a great T-shirt………

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/World-news-photos-Music-celebs-canvas-for-10148484.php#photo-11601717

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[JoB]

captainDave
that’s reported donations…
now i know the media has given trump a free pass because he is making them money
but he still has a campaign to fund and he must be getting the money to do so somewhere..
don’t you think you should know where? .. because what he is reporting just doesn’t cut it.. not even for his “shoestring” campaign. I doubt it keeps his jet in the air.

as for those fat cat donors.. i am all for making them go away.. i think Citizen’s United simply opened the door wide..

but as long as that is the law of the land i would much rather have them funding Clinton’s campaign than the Donald’s…

JTB.. you are right.. of course.. but i don’t go through this exercise in futility for Captain Dave..

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[JTB]

JoB, I’m saying that at this point, CD’s tact of not responding to points that are presented and instead throwing out distractions is obvious to anyone interested enough to follow the thread.

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[captainDave]

JoB: Your instinct is right. Trump is getting a high level of exposure that should be costing a lot more than he has raised. However, he is accomplishing it through a very well managed PR strategy. Trump has been able to get over a billion dollars in free exposure through working the media. He has made them hate him and love him at the same time. You should read his 1987 book “Art of the Deal”–it explains a lot of his strategy.

I owned a PR/advertising agency for many years and had the opportunity to learn a few things from some very experienced Chicago and New York PR people. There are so many sophisticated ways that campaigns can get more from their promotional dollars. For instance, editorial is worth three to six times paid ad space on average. Trump’s outlandish statements are designed to stir up the press. He knows if he says things a certain way, the mainstream media will make it controversial to drive ratings. He gets some of you really pissed off, but ends up reaching millions for cheap.

Even his statement “nasty woman”, was planted because Trump knew that it would end up on T-shirts worn by devout Hillary supporters–but would not resonate well with the rest of the electorate. Hillary did not want to see the “nasty woman” branding all over the place. (I think it was actually a brilliant ploy on Trump’s part–just a couple words and he gets the equivalent in a few million worth of negative campaign ads).

Trump has been the only republican politician to extensively use the dirty tricks outlined in Saul Alinsky’s book “Rules For Radicals”. Hillary wrote her thesis about Alinsky, but Trump has done a better job at using these tactics against her. Trump’s primary strategy has been to use the truth in a blunt and obnoxious way–exaggerated at times, but always with a irrefutable foundation that erodes away at Hillary’s campaign.

He knows his target demographic well and has obviously calculated that he can motivate enough of the electorate who is getting the short end of the stick. We shall soon see.

If he wins, Trump’s campaign to save America will be studied for the next hundred years.

You said: “but as long as that is the law of the land i would much rather have them funding Clinton’s campaign than the Donald’s…” Doesn’t that make you even a bit suspicious about their motives? Large sums of money never come without strings. Are you electing Hillary or her masters?

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[JoB]

JTB.. in theory i agree..
but my experience tells me that letting lies stand only turns them into “common knowledge”
which turns out to be uncommonly lacking in common sense :(

a good example that has nothing to do with Captain Dave is something i encountered this morning.
basically, what was said is that any candidate resulting from a corrupt system must therefore be corrupt.

What i pointed out was that Bernie chose run under the auspices of what they were calling a corrupt system. If he had won the nomination..would that have made him corrupt?

it’s too easy to buy into the campaign rhetoric and forget that they are all politicians.. who rely on we the people to get themselves elected and re-elected.

Yes.. money does influence elections.. but it doesn’t buy them.. all it buys is advertising.
For that corruption to work.. we have to participate.

common sense.. but not current common knowledge :(

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[mark47n]

While I’ve generally had enough of this discussion I do have one point to make: No one “creates jobs”. Jobs are created through demand and demand comes from folks having income. It also also comes through controlling what we allow to be imported, like other nations. AS an example, I work in the steel industry. My job and income are intimately connected to that market. WHen China, Turkey and Mexico dump steel on our market (this is a term used for when steel or any other product is sold for less that the cost to produce the product) my wages go down due to a rather complex system of compensation. WHen my wages go down I buy less, this includes vehicle maintenance, dining out, home repair and maintenance, etc. THis leads to the businesses having less income and on and on. It’s why a decent minimum wage helps though at no point in history was it to be a living wage though it came closest in the mid 1960’s. I do believe in exceeding the the minimum wage, however.

Money in circulation benefits everyone while burying it in the backyard does nothing for anyone.

“Creating jobs” implies creating them out of whole cloth with no additional demand.

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[JoB]

Captain Dave

i am tired this morning so all i am going to do is shake my head..

FYI
“Even his statement “nasty woman”, was planted because Trump knew that it would end up on T-shirts worn by devout Hillary supporters–but would not resonate well with the rest of the electorate. Hillary did not want to see the “nasty woman” branding all over the place. (I think it was actually a brilliant ploy on Trump’s part–just a couple words and he gets the equivalent in a few million worth of negative campaign ads).”

really resonates with women who make up over 50% of the electorate..
promotional materials based on “nasty women” are selling like hotcakes

if that was a brilliant ploy on Trump’s part it totally failed.

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[captainDave]

JoB: In terms of advertising psychology, “nasty” is a derogatory term that is relative and opposite of “good”. It would be quite a stretch to think that all women identify in a positive way with the word “nasty”. Especially considering how many women actually don’t like Clinton (evident by how many are showing up at Trump rallies). Also, remember that registered democrats are at the lowest level in years and women democrats are only half of that (about 15 to 20 percent of the population).

At best, you might have five to ten percent willing to promote the nastiness of Clinton to impress their compatriots. All the while, the rest of the country gets a free reminder of what a truly nasty person Hillary is.

Keep in mind, it took years before most people understood the word “bad” meant “good” in the context of urban slang–a lot more time than an election cycle is needed for re-defining words.

You live in a cozy little liberal bubble that skews your view of reality.

Normally, I would not like someone like Trump in politics. But he is a street fighter and probably the only candidate that has a chance to break the corrupt self-serving globalist establishment that Hillary embraces.

Ask yourself why you are supporting the same candidate George Bush is voting for?

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[miws]

Oh, I dunno, Dave.

I have a hunch JoB was supporting Hillary long before George Bush was, (or at least before he went public with it).

Maybe you should ask him why he is voting for Hillary.

Mike

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[JanS]

correction for Dave

“You live in a cozy little right wing bubble that skews your view of reality.”

There….fixed.

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[JoB]

Captain Dave..

i have what must be news for you
what you are doing is telling me what you think women should think

sadly. you are out of touch with what women actually think

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[captainDave]

miws: I asked GB. He says he loves Hillary’s ability to keep their mutual global dynasty going. More war and profit for the elites. What’s their for him not to like?

JanS: I don’t think four or five non-liberals living in West Seattle constitutes much of a bubble.

JoB: Nice straw man.

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[dobro]

“Normally, I would not like someone like Trump in politics. But he is a street fighter and probably the only candidate that has a chance to break the corrupt self-serving globalist establishment that Hillary embraces.”

You’re gonna be a sad Cap’n come Nov 9th. Yer street fightin’, pu**y grabbin’,tax dodgin’ hero is going to be worrying more about paying back his Russian loans than fighting the corrupt globalist establishment (of which he and his entire family have been a part of since way back when Fred Trump was refusing to rent to black people).

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[JanS]

dear Capt. Dave…I wasn’t talking about them…only you and your private bubble – lol

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[JoB]

Captain Dave

keep digging…
equating a female to a straw man?

Plenty of fodder for humor there

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[captainDave]

JoB: Look up the definition of “Straw man Argument”. That will explain your entire debate premise.

Under “progressive-speek”, I should have been forced by law to state “Straw-woman/person/zie/sie/ey/ve/man” in fifteen languages to honor the extensively wasteful and inefficient government that you liberals want to see developed under an “equality”themed Clinton dictatorship.

Meanwhile, Trump just did a short ten minute speech at his new DC hotel exemplifying what he want’s to do with this country. This is why so many people are voting for Trump:

Do you really think Trump wants to risk losing his hotels in a nuclear war? Hitlery on the other hand, believes that we need to drastically reduce world population and war is the most efficient tool. “Nasty” doesn’t begin to adequately describe her.

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[JoB]

Captain dave
mansplaining feminism away
how very….. antiquated of you.

i am off to do something worthwhile.. like getting an education on whether or not i can replace my very old but very expensive futon with an upgraded foam mattress without buying a box spring to go with it…

if that’s something you actually know anything about i would be glad to listen…

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[JanS]

everything in Trump’s new hotel was manufactured out of the United States…linens, beds, towels, robes, fixtures…everything…and Trump’s hotel business is down, so he’s taking his name off of them…because his brand is killing business.

Capt. Dave…you keep sniffing….something about Mr. Trump sure smells good to you.

LOLOLOLOL…he planned to say “nasty woman”? How do you come up with this stuff?

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[captainDave]

JoB: Is everything about gender to you? What is it you think will be gained by your feminist rhetoric? This is exactly how leftist ideology is designed to divide and conquer the masses by making it so people can’t have intelligent discussions without having the same physical attributes. How very tribal of you. Good luck finding a mattress for your cave.

JanS: Tell me where in the US that businesses can buy domestically produced supplies anymore? Keep in mind that the fiduciary responsibility of businesses with investors is to not waste money or they will be sued. A hotel can’t waste money building a factory to make their own supplies when their competitors are buying from cheap sources overseas. Socialism and wealth-striping foreign trade deals have decimated US manufacturing of just about everything. If you had been listening to both sides of the debates, you would have known this to be the reason why Trump is running for president–to fix the destructive policies that destroyed our once productive and broadly prosperous society.

How do I know Trump planted the “nasty” word on Hillary? Because I was in the PR business. It was no accident. Wear your “nasty women” shirt proudly!

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