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October 20, 2016 at 1:29 pm #861698
JoBParticipantthank you Donald Trump for making the issues really clear here..
I am also claiming bleeding heart liberal for my own.
Yes, i do care about other people. I think our GDP should ensure that the majority of American’s live above the poverty level… and that all of our kids get the kind of education that will allow them to succeed… and that a medical crisis shouldn’t bankrupt working people… and that housing speculation shouldn’t drive working people out of their homes … and that we really should not only respect our elders but treasure them for what they can contribute… and that your color or race or sex or gender identity should not determine your opportunities… and that personal responsibility is a term you apply to yourself, not to others and …Yup.. that’s me.. One nasty bleeding heart liberal woman and proud of it.
And with any luck i have the kind of company that will move this country back towards public polices that benefit us all…
Today.. is a good day to start.
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October 20, 2016 at 2:49 pm #861708
JanSParticipantyes…a new movement…Nasty Women Unite.
October 20, 2016 at 2:52 pm #861709
waynsterParticipantJoB and Jan I would be proud as a man and stand next to you and with you as nasty liberal women…..
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October 20, 2016 at 2:56 pm #861711
anonymeParticipantRight on.
I’m all too familiar with the Trump brand of narcissism. My father was in that club, and his early training made me vulnerable to the predation of other narcissists down the line. In fact, one of my father’s favorite phrases was “nasty, dirty, b!tch”, a term used to describe any woman who stood up to him in any way.
I’ve learned a lot about narcissists, and most of them share an interesting and revealing trait. Due to the fact that they are incapable of seeing anything from the point of view of another, they often make accusations that are in fact admissions of their own devious behavior. So, when Trump accuses Clinton of rigging the election, or importing thousands of Mexicans to vote illegally, or being guilty of various felonies, I don’t just think crazy – I think clue.
October 20, 2016 at 4:05 pm #861718
birdrescuerParticipantMe Too!!! We need a T-shirt!!!
October 20, 2016 at 7:47 pm #861733
captainDaveParticipantJoB: How is more of Obama’s failed agenda going to improve anything? Medical costs, poverty, career-based unemployment, government corruption, class division and illiteracy is higher than ever after eight years of Obama.
All that aside, I think what makes Hillary an exceptionally nasty woman is her cold-hearted propensity to start a nuclear war with Russia. Putting billions of people at risk of destruction is far from compassionate. Besides, how does one go from wanting to save the planet to threatening nuclear war?
In reality, though, I think all the corruption, cheating, lies and greed have made Hillary an exceptionally evil person. So, Trump is not entirely correct. Hillary is both a nasty and evil woman.
JanS: The problem with feminism is that it lacks a balanced perspective.
October 20, 2016 at 8:20 pm #861739
JoBParticipantCaptainDave..
sorry you can’t see the forest for the trees you’ve been told grow there.
as for feminism lacking a balanced perspective.. i think it is perfectly balanced by sexism…
which has run amuck..that might work for you.. but not so much for me
October 20, 2016 at 9:09 pm #861742
JTBParticipantFor a guy to submit it’s a problem that feminism doesn’t have a balanced perspective demonstrates why feminism shouldn’t have a balanced perspective.
October 20, 2016 at 9:48 pm #861743
dobroParticipant“All that aside, I think what makes Hillary an exceptionally nasty woman is her cold-hearted propensity to start a nuclear war with Russia.”
That would be a bad thing if it were true. I’m glad your unfounded assertions are pretty much all either false, exaggerated, or misrepresented.
Oh, and JTB +1
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October 20, 2016 at 10:55 pm #861751
captainDaveParticipantJTB: If feminism should not have a balanced perspective, isn’t it then just another divisional force (like the black lives matter movement) which fails to practice the equality they want to achieve?
This is the same irrational war-mongering posture that the new Clinton administration is planning to apply with Russia as a followup on Bidden’s nuclear retaliation threat for alleged hacking.
Putin is hated by feminists because he is a patriarch–but he also has hoards of brand new nuclear warheads. Since Seattle lies only 20 miles from the largest active nuclear arsenal in the US, where do you think Putin might strike first if Hillary follows through with her nuclear threats against Iran?
If elected, Hillary will be faced with the worst debt crisis in US history. Her choices are to default on your entitlements and pensions, inflate the dollar to the point where the aforesaid stuff is worthless (either will trigger unbearable civil unrest for Hillary), …or start a war and kill off enough people to balance the demand for resources. It appears Obama and Hillary are orchestrating the latter.
Please Read: “HILLARY’S WARS: Clinton Reset Button with Russia Goes Nuclear, Syria about Iran & Israel” http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/10/hillarys-wars-clinton-reset-button-with-russia-goes-nuclear-syria-about-iran-israel.html
Trump, on the other hand, has one more option than Hillary: to reinvigorate the economy with real productivity by releasing the claws of government and empowering people to create, inovate and produce. No matter what you think of him, Trump’s negotiation skills can alleviate the potential for war.
October 21, 2016 at 5:38 am #861768
JoBParticipantCaptain Dave..
I get that you haven’t figured this out yet.. but sexism is divisional force. racism is a divisional force. homophobia is a divisional force.. they divide you from the rest of the population.. in the delusional belief that the generalized you are somehow better for that division.
I can’t speak to racism or homophobia or many of the other isms and phobias that are used to divide us into the worthy and worthy but i sure can speak to sexism’s impact on over 50% of the population.
i saw a meme the yesterday that i don’t like but that put it into perspective for me. homophobia is based on the fear that other men will begin to treat you the way you treat women.
I immediately thought of the physical aspects of that comment.. the unwanted sexual attention.. the groping.. the violence masked as sexual play… but it is much more.. the worst is dismissiveness and bullying that is so commonplace nobody much notices it.
You dismiss Hillary by labeling her Obama light.. that’s sexism.
Worse than that.. your assertions fail.
The only way Trump trumped Hillary in those debates was with male machismo bluster.. a tactic that puts an abrupt end to negotiation.
If you want to see true negotiating skills.. watch a woman any weekday in America getting a husband and kids up dressed and out the door before catching her own ride to work. that takes skill.. and Hillary has demonstrated that game face skill repeatedly throughout her career.
Is she more hawkish than i would like? Yes, she is. But she is nowhere near as likely to drive us to war as the blustering Donald who can’t be criticized and can’t take no for an answer…
October 21, 2016 at 10:32 am #861795
JTBParticipantcD, if JoB’s explanation didn’t produce an ah-ha moment for you, there’s certainly nothing I can add that might register. I don’t know if you are intentionally promoting an alt-right perspective or not, but the notion that white men are put at a disadvantage by policies and perspectives intend to address long term discrimination and inequality is often promoted with calls for more “balance.” But if you want to think about how to arrive at a balance point between two elements that are imbalanced now, consider a seesaw and I’m sure you can appreciate that only a differential in force will result in an eventual equilibrium.
But speaking of a balanced view or a lack thereof, consider your comments about what choices are available to Hillary for managing the debt crisis. You neglect to even mention the tax increase on higher income earners she has articulated. She intends to use some of the revenue to invest in infrastructure, R&D and other measures deemed by economists as having a stimulating effect on the economy and thereby helping reduce the national debt. Again, she has stated she intends to pay for those programs through taxation and budget management and not through borrowing, issuing new debt.
We know from the post 2009 European experience that austerity is not very effective in yielding economic growth and recovery from a deep recession. Never has been. Many economists and policy wonks were disappointed that Congress curtailed stimulus spending here below levels thought more likely to induce a better recovery.Trump is clueless about the economy and his sense of negotiating is truly frightening. He’s said several times that he would negotiate a lower payment on our debt obligation (US bonds), pointing to what he’s done several times in his own business endeavors without clarifying those were bankruptcy negotiations. What effect to you think that would have on the standing of the US Dollar? If you even think he’s a good businessman, you haven’t been paying attention to the reviews of his business history.
October 21, 2016 at 12:50 pm #861802
captainDaveParticipantJoB: I never referred to Hillary as “Obama Lite”. I am warning that she is Obama on steroids. More debt, more class division, more poverty and more war.
All my life people have just been people to me. I have employed and contracted with all sizes, colors, ages, sexes, classes and whatever. I didn’t care about their physical attributes as long as they could simply do the job they for which they were hired. A popular adage when I was growing up was to “never judge a book by its cover”.
JTB: Fighting racism and classism with more racism and classism does not drive anything to an equilibrium. It just depends the divide and grows disfunction and turmoil. Just look at where this country is today.
For example: It’s getting impossible for small businesses to hire people anymore because so many feel entitled to something special based on their gender, skin color, religion, sexual preference or whatever. I gave up hiring people in Seattle after OED said it would be much easier for me If I were not a white male. That was pretty much the last straw for me.
To say that Hillary is going to reduce the debt through taxation is like trying to sell a perpetual motion machine. Obama criticized Bush for the enormous debt and then doubled it. My warning to you is that this financial shenaniganery cannot be sustained much longer. People are going to get seriously hurt when it falls apart–all except the elite corporate monopolies backing Hillary Clinton.
BTW, how do you “liberals” go from backing an anti-corporate candidate to backing one of the most corporate sponsored candidates of all time? Hillary has the backing of both wall street and the republican establishment–even George Bush is voting for her. How do you justify your change to supporting corporate domination?
Regarding Hillary’s economic plan: You are failing to acknowledge reality. The US debt crisis is already past the point of no return. We are functionally bankrupt right now. There will have to be a cram-down or dilution of debt because there is not enough economic activity on earth to overcome it at this point. Socialism has failed. We either have to choose between capitalism to create new wealth after the next crash, or totalitarianism to force people to accept a much lower standard of living in the near future. Trump has knowledge and expertise on debt restructuring, Hillary is all about the failed academic theories that got us into this mess. I hope you guys wake up soon.
October 21, 2016 at 7:18 pm #861823
JoBParticipantCaptain Dave
exactly how do you expect to pay down the national debt unless you create new jobs?
If American’s corporations aren’t providing those jobs.. who will?and do you really expect a man who has all of his goods manufactured overseas because he can see the logic in paying less to promote laws that will prevent him from doing that? That’s kind of like turning the fox loose in the henhouse… not a strategy likely to turn out well :(
talk about a corporatist. Hillary has the label but Trump embodies it. how do you justify that?
And just for giggles.. it does seem to have escaped your attention that Hillary won the nomination for the Democratic party by a substantial margin… which means that a substantial number of the people who actually vote chose her as their candidate.
And what did we get? The most progressive democratic party platform in my lifetime.
for a sellout.. that’s a win win.and for the record.. you are not color blind to color or sex if you complain about not getting some economic advantage because you were a white male.
cry me a river. i couldn’t even legally open a bank account without a man’s signature when i came of age. When my husband decided that an open marriage (ie. he got to screw around) was a great idea and i divorced him.. i had to get his written permission to get a job.
Yes, things have changed.. but not nearly enough.
Women are regularly killed in this country for rejecting a man’s advances.. rape is still considered a sexual act not an violent assault and is seldom prosecuted … women’s reproductive choices are still curtailed by people who not only won’t take responsibility for the child their decisions mandate must be carried to term but consistently vote down programs to support mothers grappling to support those children at poverty or below poverty levels .. and in some states a woman can actually be prosecuted for failing to carry a baby to term (miscarriage).
that’s the short list.
and you think women are given special preferences? Not hardly.
October 21, 2016 at 9:13 pm #861831
JTBParticipantcaptD said, “The US debt crisis is already past the point of no return. We are functionally bankrupt right now.” In the words of your preferred candidate, “wrong.” I can’t tell if you are indulging in hyperbole or don’t know what you’re talking about although I’ll acknowledge both could be true. There is no question that the national debt needs to be managed and cannot be allowed to continue to grow and grow. That’s why working on the deficit is so important and also why Hillary intends to pay for the stimulus without taking on new debt. A number of economists actually believe there is ample room to take on more debt to fund direct investment in economic growth measures such as infrastructure and R&D. As mentioned previously, austerity measures have proven unable to generate meaningful recovery from the Great Recession.
October 22, 2016 at 3:27 am #861848
JanSParticipantBirdrescuer…there are T-Shirts and sweatshirts and even a hoodie floating around out there. I’ll try and find a link ;-)
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October 22, 2016 at 3:45 am #861849
JanSParticipantCapt. D…do you make under $250,000 per year? Raised taxes are not gfoing to affect you then, according to her policy that she wants to implement. If you make more than that, then you need to leave the convo. No sympathy.
Also…DT has an itchy finger about the nuclear bombs we have…he doesn’t quite get that you do not start that. He has literally asked that, well, if we have them, why don’t we use them? Effing seriously? Yet, you actually believe that HRC would take us there? Get outta here….pffffffttt!
other than that..what JoB said…what JTB said. And…lighten the hell up. This will probably get a complaint and removed, but that was a damned funny play on a commercial. I said something on another thread in another forum tonight about an article re: the thousands of women from Palestine, Israel, Jordan who are walking miles and miles and miles there in a Peace movement, even demonstrating in front of Netanyahu’s house. “In the end, it will be the women who lead”. You will disagree, I’m sure…
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October 22, 2016 at 4:47 pm #861908
captainDaveParticipantJoB: Good questions
“exactly how do you expect to pay down the national debt unless you create new jobs?” – This is the number one issue of Trump’s campaign. During the 80’s and 90’s, back when the government embraced entrepreneurialism, I was an inventor and engineer that helped create hundreds of local manufacturing jobs. There were a lot of people like me creating economic activity here in Seattle. Most are gone now because there are just too many government imposed barriers to developing and making things here.
“If American’s corporations aren’t providing those jobs.. who will?” – Are you suggesting that Hillary’s mass government employment scheme should be the basis of our economy? I should hope not. Even China and Russia have given up on that economic model because it doesn’t work. If you want real lasting careers and not just part-time, short-term paper-pushing jobs, then we must reduce all the anti-competitive regulations that are designed to enrich the crony capitalist monopolies that support Clinton.
“talk about a corporatist. Hillary has the label but Trump embodies it. how do you justify that?”- Seriously? You need to understand the difference between competitive capitalism and crony capitalism. Trump’s competitive capitalism spreads wealth. Hillary’s crony capitalism centralizes it. I remember how difficult it was to hire people in the 90’s because I had to compete with all the other companies hiring. Now, there are a small number of giant government entwined corporations that dictate low labor rates. Progressivism has killed off the entrepreneurial engine of our economy to where only the most ruthless and politically connected can survive. From someone who has been on the front line of business development for forty years, your arguments absolutely backwards.
Where do you see that I am asking for an economic advantage over anyone? I am not even going to get it into it with you about your feminist viewpoints because I think you are too emotionally wrapped up in a false narrative to be logical. If you have time, do a little research on feminism and fascism–you might be surprised at what you find.
JTB: Did Obama plan to double the nations debt? No. He promised to reduce it–by increasing taxes and regulations. Reality happened and he spent more than all other U.S. presidents combined–and left us with crumbling infastructure to boot. Please look up the definitions between deficit and debt. Our debt is at a point now where it is unsustainable under current regulatory conditions-even if the deficit was brought to “0”. The only way to dig out of this hole is with a heavy dose of competitive capitalism. No socialist has ever overcome huge national debts without capitalism. Over-regulation IS economic austerity.
JanS: Many of my clients make over $250K, so punishing them just reduces my income–as does with so many other small businesses who service the so-called “filthy rich bastards” you hate. Keep in mind that inflation could soon make everyone with an income part of the “hatted class”.
Where do you see evidence that Trump is more likely to start a nuclear war than Clinton? Hilary is already threatening nuclear war with Russia. Why do you think Trump wants all his assets destroyed? On the other hand, Hillary is part of an aggressive global initiative in conjunction with George Soros to take over Russia. Trump advocates for national sovereignty while Clinton wants centralized global governance. Who do you really think would piss off Russia the most?
And yes, I do disagree with you. I believe intelligent people should lead under the constructs of civil society regardless of their physical attributes. I refuse to buy into the bigoted sexism and racism of progressive politics.
October 22, 2016 at 4:55 pm #861909
JoBParticipantLOL Captain Dave
the only wealth that Trump’s “competitive” capitalism builds is his own
and he does so at the expense of anyone who does business with him.
even you should realize that’s not a sustainable model ….as for all those government jobs you fear??? when you create jobs by rebuilding infrastructure you they aren’t government jobs.. they are contractor jobs.. indistinguishable from those created by the pipeline or Seattle’s current building boom.
Those jobs create the need for businesses to service citizens who now have both need and funds.
and the infrastructure they leave behind.. facilitates commerce.
being a bright guy.. you already knew that.
You also know that refusing to acknowledge sexism and racism doesn’t cause them to cease to exist.
October 22, 2016 at 7:39 pm #861944
captainDaveParticipantJoB: You are sighting a narrative built on the false assumptions of academia and not the real world. Competitive capitalism is inclusive and open to all market participants equally. So, how can Trump use his position as president to build his own wealth if he advocates for severing the ties between government and corporations? Corporate favoritism (crony capitalism) is exactly what Hillary has practiced with her pay-to-play schemes for so many years.
For example, Trump’s anti-corruption plan would not permit what Hillary has done with netting $145 million to her family foundation in trade for brokering half of the US Uranium production to Russia (among many other offenses). If Hillary were a Republican, you would be screaming until your head exploded. But, you look the other way because she promises things you want–things she has failed to deliver to any of her constituents over the last thirty years.
If infrastructure was so important to you liberals, why has Seattle and so many other liberal cities across the county followed United Nations mandates to REDUCE roads in favor of bicycles? How much freight mobility happens on bike paths? What infrastructure do you think Hillary will prioritize vs. Trump? My bet is that Hillary, like her predecessors, will spend a lot more on increased entitlements rather than productive infrastructure. That’s why she want’s TPP–because her crony supporters will make a lot more money bringing our food and necessities from abroad.
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October 22, 2016 at 9:34 pm #861952
JoBParticipantCaptain Dave
“Competitive capitalism is inclusive and open to all market participants equally.”
that’s the theory and you are sticking to it.. too bad it doesn’t really work out that way in the real world. In the real world some individuals and corporations are more equal than others.. and in the real world if you have enough money you can use the court system to literally anyone who would sue you to make you even more “equal”… the Donald is a master at that.
i saw a meme the other day.. I think it was one of those Jimmie John meme’s but i don’t really remember. But what it said is that the owner is under no obligation to share the wealth created by their company with those they employ… and being under no obligation.. many don’t.. so the taxpayer ends up picking up the tab for the low wages paid by capitalists.. capitalists making themselves more “equal” than other companies by pushing wages as low as possible.
The Donald is also a master at that.
So.. you expect this capitalist who thrives on a network of subsidies and tax write offs and taxpayer subsidized employees and just plain stiffing people he does business with to promote a more equal playing field? Why would he do that? It’s not in his best interests.
You cite the illusive (no proof anywhere) dollars Hillary supposedly netted to her family foundation (which one. the public one or the private one) … and ignore the dollars the Donald nets from Russia while pointing out that it would not be in his best financial interests (investments) to nuke Russia… can’t have it both ways dude. One of these candidates is up to their ears in Russian influence.. and it isn’t Hillary.
And those bike paths do increase freight mobility by taking cars off the roads. Go stand on the low bridge almost any morning and you can watch all of that mobility roll past you.
Meanwhile our nation’s bridges get a failing grade. Our sewer and water systems get a failing grade. Our roads get a failing grade. Our train systems get a failing grade.
Are those the entitlements you are afraid she will invest in?
Because make no mistake.. those entitlements facilitate the production of income in these United States. Anyone producing or moving goods in the United States uses almost every one of them every day.
Sorry Dave. you can’t win this argument.
Name calling has never “trumped” common sense.October 22, 2016 at 9:35 pm #861955
JoBParticipantAnd one last question for you Dave…
you talk about Hillary’s crony supporters…
but who do you think has funded Trump’s campaign?
Take a good look at his history.. he is the master at getting someone else to pick up his tab.Do you really believe he has changed his winning strategy now?
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October 22, 2016 at 10:41 pm #861964
JanSParticipantyou know…all this is getting old…I quote” I am not even going to get it into it with you about your feminist viewpoints because I think you are too emotionally wrapped up in a false narrative to be logical. If you have time, do a little research on feminism and fascism–you might be surprised at what you find.” (What? Because that’s what the womenfolk do? Get too wrapped up in their emotions? What a damned sexist point of view. Keep talking…keep digging yourself in, Capt. Dave. You’re on a roll…)
What utter Bullcrap. Just bullcrap of the worst kind. And, Capt. Dave…you say “feminist”like it’s a dirty word, and what you said personally about JoB is ludicrous. Maybe sometime you should actually get to know the woman away from the forum. You are so utterly wrong. Period. All I can say is LOLOLOLOL. I now regard your posts as the humor of my day. No more comments from me on the actual topic. I just went and got some popcorn….carry on…
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October 23, 2016 at 7:07 am #862015
JoBParticipantCaptain Dave..
i suppose you think the Washington Post is too emotionally wrapped up in a false narrative to report accurately too.. so skip the editorial portion of this article and slide down to their list of transgressions…
The only way to support that with a straight face is to be “too emotionally wrapped up in a false narrative” to recognize the truth..
by the way.. just in case you didn’t recognize your ploy.. blaming the victim for the crime is another really really poor argument… the very idea that you become to emotionally involved with the outcome of your crime to report it accurately is ludicrous.
October 23, 2016 at 7:55 am #862016
miwsParticipantI am not even going to get it into it with you about your feminist viewpoints because I think you are too emotionally wrapped up in a false narrative to be logical. If you have time, do a little research on feminism and fascism–you might be surprised at what you find
Not only sexist but pretty damn condescending too.
As a guy, I stand with all of the “Nasty Women”. Both friends, acquaintances, and those I don’t personally know.
Mike
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