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November 17, 2016 at 8:04 am #865344
JoBParticipantJTB.. thank you.. i have no intention of ever becoming what Captain Dave would consider a ‘nice” girl.. for starters .. i am way too old for that.. but to be honest.. while i have often been subversive I have never been silent.
and you are right. this “conversation” is not useful..
but without rebuttal it becomes the story of people who stand in a crowded room and let some “_____” (this is a fill in the blank moment.. where you fill in deranged person or drunk or creep or however it is that you designate “those” people as other ) make sexist racist homophobic comments without saying anything.. even when those comments are directed at an individual.
and yes. captain Dave often crosses that line.
as a young woman i stood on my porch as a policeman escorted my cousin to his police car to deliver her back to the husband who had hospitalized her. The neighbors watched silently.. as did we.. there was nothing we could do.
it took another 4 or 5 years before the law moved on.. and abusive husbands could no longer summon their wives with the assistance of the local police department. Decades later the local police were still using what they referred to as the 3 stitch rule when it came to domestic violence.. if the damage inflicted wouldn’t require 3 stitches to repair then it didn’t warrant arrest.
do they still use that “rule”? I don’t know. It’s been a long time since i was in an abusive relationship but i can tell you that 30 years ago if a woman tried to resist her attacker and was foolish enough to call the police afterwards that she went to jail along with her abuser and he was treated better during arrest and incarceration than she was…
sadly i know this not only from the tales told but from experience. i called the police .. was arrested wearing night clothes.. was handcuffed and stuck in the back of a police car with nothing more than what i was wearing and carted off to jail while my abuser was allowed to dress and grab his wallet. i found my abuser waiting to take me home when i was finally released from jail.. in the middle of the night.. in spite of having placed calls to family members who should have been there for me but didn’t want to get involved in a domestic matter.
No.. i don’t think people like Captain Dave are listening when i speak.
But i hope people are reminded that even when it comes to the privileged class of whites… the fight for actual equality is about a whole lot more than pay equity or abortion rights… it’s about personal safety.
We all need to speak up
November 17, 2016 at 10:39 am #865364
JTBParticipantRegarding the electoral college, I trust everyone realizes it was designed as a hedge against runaway democracy, or as Hamilton explained more diplomatically. “A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated [tasks].” It was conceived of as a deliberative process among electors selected by district and not the winner-take-all, automatic method it has evolved into.
It seems to me it has become a bastardized system incorporating some aspects of popular democratic vote but retaining anti-democratic allocations that have their origin and purpose to afford more weight to the southern slave-holding states than otherwise allowed by population alone.
The charge that the current system ensures small, rural states aren’t overshadowed by larger, more populated states seems to ignore the reality that the converse is actually true in which the citizens of smaller states receive a higher weight in the final process. I suppose it’s entirely coincidental that this state of affairs still echoes the north-south, abolitionist-slave state divide from our early days. It seems that bending over backward to accommodate reactionary elements has been part of the American spirit from our early days. Now that the reactionary elements have secured control over all branches of government by virtue of a long, deliberate campaign on multiple fronts, it seems unlikely we can expect any effort to weaken that control to gain much headway.November 17, 2016 at 2:18 pm #865392
JKBParticipantIt’s not the answer to the question I posed, but I did get an answer.
November 17, 2016 at 2:25 pm #865393
JanSParticipantso…tell us the answer you want, JKB…
November 17, 2016 at 5:26 pm #865434
redblackParticipantJTB: yep. and had a democrat won the election, the teabaggers would have said the same thing about socialism winning the day and destroying america and how we don’t know into what terrible peril we have put ourself.[sic]
and they might have felt strongly enough about it to have taken it to the streets, but i doubt it. i can’t see people from lacey and spanaway amassing enough people in downtown seattle for anyone to notice.
unless the seahawks or mariners are playing at home, of course. they luuurve seattle for its sports teams, yeah? and they always seem to have a good time here…
November 17, 2016 at 6:19 pm #865437
JoBParticipantthe teabaggers did win
and they are taking to the streets.. but not to protest
they’d rather harass people.. because they can -
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