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November 7, 2012 at 8:07 pm #775622
shihtzuParticipantWhat I do know is very few people know the details of what happened. I have an idea, and if correct will hopefully lead to Mr. Kellers return since stuff like this is often WAAAAY out of a principal’s control and an unfortunate outcome of rules and bureaucracy.
I’m sure there are professional and personal disagreements in schools like there are in any work environment. I have no doubt that mr. Kirschner is professional and would like the best for Mr. Keller’s students and Mr. Keller himself no matter what in this matter.
Direct your anger at the district, not the school or students. Hope to see a packed house at the festival!
November 7, 2012 at 9:39 pm #775623
spparentMemberDistricts don’t put teachers on administrative leave, principals do. It is not out of their control – just for clarification.
Also, for more clarification: I’m not asking anyone else to boycott the festival, and that’s really not the right word. I’m just not going like I have every year in the past when my children have gone. I hope all of you enjoy yourselves. It would just make me too sad – I’m beyond frustration and anger now and have communicated such to the principal and got a very appropriate response.
November 7, 2012 at 9:48 pm #775624
John OhMemberOh
November 7, 2012 at 10:13 pm #775625
shihtzuParticipantOk, thanks for the clarification. I still hope it’s nothing more than CYA red-tape.
I do agree it’s incredibly sad and think parents deserve more information.
November 8, 2012 at 1:01 am #775626
Ms. SparklesParticipantIt is very frustrating that the policies and procedures relating to these types of situations are either not clearly defined or are well kept secrets.
I searched the SPS website for some information that would explain how this process normally works, and who starts it; I found nothing.
I did find (via google) an old (2005) copy of the union contract between SPS and WEA – it said that principals should avoid putting teachers on administrative leave unless there is a safety risk. If that’s still valid, then deductive reasoning follows that Principal K. initiated whatever action the district is now in control of. It also follows that, per union contract, Principal K must have determined that this one act made for a “safety risk.” In my original email to Principal K I made reference to an incident in Sept 2011 when my daughter was forced to wear her jacked all day on an 80+ degree day because her dress straps did not meet the “3 fingers wide” policy. I brought that up because I believe that was a much greater “safety risk” than a child being physically guided to the office. At the time of that incident I had a lengthy discussion with Principal K, yet no one was put on administrative leave in my daughter’s case.
As for withholding volunteer hours and funds – as much as it appears to be biting off our noses to spite our faces, it is sadly the only leverage we really have. Neither I nor spparent are trying to motivate you to do the same, just sharing our thoughts and plans – which I believe is what these forums are designed for.
November 8, 2012 at 1:04 am #775627
wsmommyoffiveMemberThis mom and her kiddos won’t be going either by choice. Already had to celebrate halloween with out Mr. Keller and it put some tears in my eyes… I have gone to the harvest festival for the last 10 years, We will skip it this time.
Sadly a wonderful teacher has almost been out of his classroom for almost a month, And it is very disappointing. I don’t believe that the principal is putting Mr. Keller and his students first. There has been a huge lack of communication this past month.
November 8, 2012 at 1:12 am #775628
John OhMemberWe should cancel Christmas until this is resolved!
November 8, 2012 at 1:19 am #775629
Ms. SparklesParticipantChristmas isn’t a SP fundraising event, John Oh – so I think it’s safe ;-)
November 8, 2012 at 1:22 am #775630
I WonderMemberOh! The Drama!! Puh-leeze. Perhaps there is a “no contact” order in place. Perhaps the parents are enforcing this, through no fault of the school, the teacher or the principal. Perhaps everyone should just calm down until the facts come out and stop slinging arrows at innocent players, bidding one faction against another.
November 8, 2012 at 1:27 am #775631
John OhMemberFINALLY! A voice of reason on this thread.
November 8, 2012 at 3:57 am #775632
2 Much WhineParticipantBut how long is it going to take for the facts to come out ??? Mr. Keller has been gone for one month. This is a very sad situation where the kids want their teacher back in the classroom and the teacher wants to be back in the classroom with his students.
November 8, 2012 at 5:02 am #775633
WSratsinacageMemberI think I read earlier that the student is no longer at the school so there probably isn’t a restraining order as far as the child goes.
November 8, 2012 at 6:36 am #775634
I WonderMemberNo, that the student required “no physical touching” when at school.
November 8, 2012 at 2:08 pm #775635
spparentMemberI had asked a question before coffee – nevermind. I’ve never heard of a “no touching” policy on a kid, but if so, I could more understand the situation being a CYA.
November 8, 2012 at 5:01 pm #775636
John Q PublicMemberI believe it’s no physical touching for every student.
November 8, 2012 at 6:13 pm #775637
spparentMemberTeachers can use reasonable force to stop a child from hurting themselves or others, though we must have training to restrain a child – just fyi.
November 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm #775638
2 Much WhineParticipantThat is Seattle Public School District Policy.
November 12, 2012 at 4:52 am #775639
spparentMemberYou can find further discussion on fb at:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/BringMrKellerBack?fref=ts
Supposedly Mr. Keller will be back in his classroom by this Friday according to an e-mail from the principal, but Mr. Keller has heard nothing about it from the district.
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