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Started 3 years ago by Anonymous
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I found this to be incredibly appropriate for this forum:

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/20/believers_in_obama

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Anonymous
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*In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Anonymous
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Since I know that you (JT) read the article I linked to, I'll have to assume, from your post, that you just couldn't come up with a rebuttal to the point of the article.

I'm gonna take the lead from WSMom, I've decided, and just post important links that I believe should be read. Here's two:

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/21/polls_and_pols

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/17/record_versus_rhetoric

This is for my fellow (silent) conservatives (LBG)!

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GenHillOne
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As has been stated before, I think you'll be hard-pressed to find many who give credence to a link with Ann Coulter's name on it. This blog has Coulter, and other charming notables, listed as contributing content; along with typos and Reagan/Bush'84 tee shirts for sale. Oh my. Anything attached to such a hateful person holds no validity in my mind; not worthy of discussion.

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Anonymous
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And here's another one (from a forum favorite, no less!):

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29164

Posted 3 years ago #
WSMom
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/10/httpwwwpoliticocomnewsstories1.html

Undecided
by David Sedaris

I love David Sedaris. You must read this link :)

"When doubting that anyone could not know whom they’re voting for, I inevitably think back to November, 1968. Hubert Humphrey was running against Richard Nixon, and when my mother couldn’t choose between them she had me do it for her. It was crazy. One minute I was eating potato chips in front of the TV, and the next I was at the fire station, waiting with people whose kids I went to school with. When it was our turn, we were led by a woman wearing a sash to one of a half-dozen booths, the curtain of which closed after we entered.

“Go ahead,” my mother said. “Flick a switch, any switch.”

I looked at the panel in front of me.

“Start on the judges or whatever and we’ll be here all day, so just pick a President and make it fast. We’ve wasted enough time already.”

“Which one do you think is best?” I asked.

“I don’t have an opinion,” she told me. “That’s why I’m letting you do it. Come on, now, vote.”"

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angelescrest
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And, may I add David Sedaris' analogy concerning undecided voters (from The New Yorker/Oct. 27th):

"To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. 'Can I interest you in the chicken?' she asks. 'Or would you prefer the platter of sh*t with bits of broken glass in it?' "

Posted 3 years ago #
Zenguy
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NR, you should read your own post, look in the mirror and stop assuming so much!

Posted 3 years ago #
Cait
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David Sedaris is amazing.

I love how a post started to stir up crap has turned into one about David Sedaris. This is the only place that he and Ann Coulter would end up in the same conversation lol.

I would like to see a post that originates from a website that Ann Coulter doesn't use as her personal stable for stomping in her own crap and babbling from her horse mouth.

Posted 3 years ago #
MrJT
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Second that motion.

Posted 3 years ago #
angelescrest
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I cannot believe she was quoted on here--ever. Defies logic, civility, humaneness...rational thought.

Posted 3 years ago #
JanS
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here's an opinion..mine...this thread was started not because the OP wanted to start some thoughtful exchanges, but it was started just to get under somene's skin, to be disrespectful, if you will. I will never understand why someone who thinks so little of most of us on here, who belittles us, who feels that her knowledge is far superior to more than half the people in this country, yet reads and believes in Ann Coulter...I don't understand why someone who , in MY OPINION, is these things (observation is a key), still wants to hang on herewith us Ignorants (yes, I know, you didn't use that term...I said it was my opinion of why you're posting this). It's simply to rile up the masses, I believe, and we bite every time. Will anything change the OP's opinion of us and herself? Not on your life. Angelescrest, not only do your terms describe Ann Coulter, it describes this thread being started.

When my marriage was breaking up, and there were numerous fights, a good friend told me that as long as I responded to his goading, I was feeding the monster, and it would happen over and over again. Maybe, just maybe, some of us need to heed that advice...I know I do..thanks...it's been nice knowin'ya, NR..

Posted 3 years ago #
acemotel
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the simplistic Republican arguments being recycled over and over again, never gaining any traction, are tiresome.

First, we know less about Ms. Alaska than we do about Obama. Ms. Alaska has been on the national scene for weeks as opposed to Obama's years.

The contention that we know nothing about Obama is an attempt to plug into the mythology of the black man as "the other:" unknowable, mysterious, dangerous.

In fact, Obama has a national public record of his positions and votes in the US senate. He has published two books of intimate details regarding his thoughts, ideas, dreams, fears, hopes, and ideology. He has revealed the most personal facts about his genealogy, relationships and family life.

Secondly, the change argument in the article is hardly worthy of response. The author contends that change *can* be worse than the status quo, citing the abuses of czarist Russia v. the abuses of the communist government. What's the point? Is the author equating Bush's administration to "despotic regimes in China, Cuba and Iran" (aided by the US, BTW) or to Nicholas II? ha ha ha

The argument doesn't go anywhere, especially when MCain is selling himself as the #1 change agent.

Just like Ms. Alaska, the article is vacuous and vapid. There's no There there.

Posted 3 years ago #
acemotel
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Good points JanS. I agree. It's pointless.

Posted 3 years ago #
TheHouse
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NR, the editorial in your original post is dead on accurate despite the denial of most liberals.

I for one am quite tired of debating with people that are so entrenched in their way of thinking that any other way of thinking is wrong (especially in text). Just look at the thread on "Red States". Even though I believe that it was mostly written as comedy, I wouldn't be surprised if that person truly felt that way considering some of the other things she's posted.

The fact of the matter, most of the people on this blog are in the minority regarding their feelings. WS Blog is not a true cross-section of the United States.

If by chance we move to a Socialist President next year, they will pay their dues. If you think the economy is bad now, just wait until Obama goes into office.

Posted 3 years ago #
JanS
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and the same could be same about you..from your first paragraph. The editorial in the original post is just that...an editorial...one man's opinion, not based in fact, as are most editorials.We all reaize that, you must, too.Everyone is entrenched, including you.You seethose who don't believe as you do as somehow deluded,I'm sure.

Buzzwords:socialist, communist,you repeat what the "word-slingers"say,you read it enough and you start to believe it.I'm not saying that those who lean to the left are any better...we all believe what we want to believe, you included. The fact is, if Barack Obama becomes president, you are not privy to any more information than anyone else, and none of us, not you, or Pat Buchanan, or Fox News, or me, or anyone, can really say exactly what will happen in this country.

I know what you're hoping...but it'sall speculation.

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Anonymous
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House, you really have no room to talk. When confronted with legitimate facts to counter your beliefs of Obama you simply disappear or suddenly find the discussion isn't worth your time.

I almost always source my response from a news article or if it is opinion, state so. I don't source from Daily Kos or Move-on.org or the like. And I put a lot of time into that research.

The conservatives represented here rarely use a news source. Rarely use any source, and if they do, it is almost always an op-ed even to the point of plagiarizing and passing it off as their own thoughts. And not just any op-ed. They come from places like Townhall.com, freerepublic, and worldnetdaily.

I really used to enjoy your input. It's always optimum to understand where others are coming from. Anymore there's nothing original or interesting. It's become parroting of the worst of your side. To borrow a sentiment from you and NR, sad.

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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I admit it's hard to get past the hype about Obama to find the man...not his hype but that projected by our media.

Getting to know who he is is simple. Go to his website. Read his history. Look at his voting record... he even has a voting record during this campaign. Read how he plans to deal with the economic mess we are in. Read how he plans to deal with the war that is bankrupting our nation. Read how he plans to deal with any issue that is important to you.

Because if you choose to get your information about Obama from the McCain camp reflected through our national media, you aren't going to learn much... and what you learn will be dead wrong.

I can understand the exasperation of the Obama supporter in that town hall article. Perhaps the real story contained far more than the quoted final remarks.

My guess is that this woman has been responding for months to her McCain supporting sibling and is simply exhausted from her inability to get them to read or consider anything they don't already believe.

That is what made JTs comment so relevant.

Suporters of both campaigns should educate themselves on the reality of the opponents platform... not the sixty second news bite explaining it for you on national tv.

If you want to know where the candidates stand on the issues, go to their websites and read what they say they will do.

then go to some of the independent websites like fact check and see what the consequences of their policies will be.

it won't take long... and is certainly more illuminating than endlessly posting links to opinion sites.

Pay close attention to what Senator McCain says and then what he does... his voting record speaks volumes about his true political beliefs...

as does Bomb bomb iran.

Getting to know Senator McCain better will make you worry less about how much you know about Senator Obama.

Yes, he is likely to make mistakes.. but his possible mistakes pale against the consequences of Senator McCains intentions.

or.. you can choose to listen only to those who will tell you what you think you already know and let your ignorance lead you to false conclusions...

and that statement btw was not political...

it has nothing to do with your party affiliation.. but everything to do with your willingness to learn and assimilate new information in changing times...

the very skills that will be necessary to successfully negotiate the coming difficulties we are all about to face.

Posted 3 years ago #
Tonya42
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Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at Stanford and one of the most brilliant people on the planet.

http://www.tsowell.com/

If you dare to read it you may see why conservatives think the way they do. He represents pretty much everything I admire in a person.
He's black. He's concervative and he is brilliant.

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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Two things are interesting to me after reading the ensuing comments here.

First, the accusation that I would start a thread and post articles of importance and interest (to the conservative reader - or anyone interested in looking at the flip side) as an attempt to "stir things up".

I do not support Obama and do not hold the same views or opinions of the Democratic Party, yet, if a link, article or video is shared here with that bend to it, should I consider the poster is "trying to stir things up" with Republicans? No, I've never thought that and the inability to extend the same courtesies to the "other" side is rampant and overwhelming here (Please note: House's thread).

Second, I find it extremely presumptuous for anyone (who does not speak with me personally on a day to day basis) to assume that I have not educated myself on the issues and where each candidate stands. I can only guess that, simply because I believe differently than most of you, you have to convince yourself that I just don't know any better or am stupid. Knock yourself out, but you really should understand, as House mentioned, the majority of posters on this forum are not an accurate indication of the rest of America.

Now, without further ado, I will carry on sharing interesting articles with those lurking conservatives (and again, anyone else who cares to look into the "other" side - the dark side)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122471822552260585.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122471696933660407.html

Enjoy.

Posted 3 years ago #
JenV
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McCain's temper - the top ten list:

http://www.eyesonobama.com/blog/content/id_20167/title_McCains-History-of-Blow-Ups-The-Top-Ten/

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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Let this article serve as proof that I actually get information from unbiased, non-partisan sources as well:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/129420.html

What I find most interesting in this article, is not the fact that it paints both candidates in a bad light, but it completely shatters the mystical belief that most liberals hold for Obama. I think most people voting for Obama truly believe that he will magically fix our country (however vague he is when discussing exactly HOW), but it would be extremely advantageous for these same people to do more research, obviously.

Posted 3 years ago #
arietta
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I'm with ya, JanS (edited to specify post #12). Anything else is a complete waste of time.

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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I will have to read the article lager, NR. I do try to read all linsk posted and enjoy (although I dont always agre with) when a McCain supporter posts on here.

As an Obama supporter, I can say, that I do not think he is going to go to office and fix everything. And most of those that I talk with in life dont feel that way either. i think most just think he is a step in the direction that we feel is best for our future.

I'll let you know what I think once I read the article.

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charlabob
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Unbiased non partisan sources? Hardly. Raise taxes? Yup -- and making Bush's tax cuts permanent "raises taxes" as well -- only on the bottom 90 percent of the population.

Taxes redistribute wealth. The current scheme distributes wealth to the wealthy. Some of us see the logical and moral flaw in that.

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/MatchoMatic/fullpage?id=5542139

A fun little candidate word game. Let me know who you get!

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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Its funny b/c Bush/McCain and their suppporters act like giving tax cuts to the wealthy increases job and gives money back to the US economy when this isnt the case at all. what really happens is that the wealthy put more money in the banks, get wealthier, the middle and lower class have to work harder, and our country ends up in more debt because we have more expenses then revenue coming in. Furthermore, the wealthy that our stashing there money, are stashing it in foreign markets/banks as well completly avoiding the US economy.Where as, if we were to give the middle/lower class tax cuts they dont stash their money, its like the rebate checks, they spend it. And they spend it not in foreign markets but the US economy/marktets inturn helping our economy. THis is why although I do not 100% agree with all the spending that Obama has on his agenda I am 110% behind his tax plan. its like Economics 101 all over again.

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Anonymous
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Just for anyone who cares, it was a conservative who called Sarah Palin *a fatal cancer to the Republican Party*. That tidbit is not referenced in the article you cite NR.

And your're forgetting one of the most popular articles from WSJ :

*In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It's no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism*

Palin's Failin'
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122419210832542317.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop

Posted 3 years ago #
JenV
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Obama, of course. Good find, bdg.

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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JT - Thank you for sharing, but that article was already referenced a couple days ago by WSMom.

BDG - That is an interesting hypothesis. I would be interested to know where you are getting the facts to confirm that belief.

Here's a look at the differing health-care fixes:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122470511751259445.html

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Anonymous
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BDG - Although 2 of my answers were in agreement with Obama, I came out in favor of McCain.

Posted 3 years ago #
RS
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Nice link BDG! I'm not such an Obamabot- I got two McCain statements! I'm not counting the gay marriage question, on which Obama is the lessor of two essentially wrong answers, IMO.

Posted 3 years ago #
JenV
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hWY02SRZHVGdfuDCu1cYVcBbLy1QD940F0N00

more of Palin not understanding or misrepresenting in order to further her own agenda. shocking.

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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And a look at Biden:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122325448093406451.html

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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Tonya - I don't know how I missed your post earlier, but thank you. Sowell is to be respected and to insinuate that he is anything but extremely intelligent only illustrates ignorance. Unfortunately, I highly doubt your link will be followed, much less, read (at least by anyone who probably should - much like my links. LOL).

Here is an interesting link regarding Biden (thank you JenV for giving me the idea to look into V.P.s, btw). This particular link shows, not only the liberal bias that is so prevalent in our media (with the lack of coverage of this), but also points out how deceptive Biden truly is.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31461_Bidens_Lies_Ignored_by_Media

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JenV
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littlegreenfootballs is about the most conservative blog out there, for anyone who is still actually reading this drivel that passes for a thread. They actually make Faux News look "fair and balanced". The fact remains - Biden is a highly intelligent person and at least actually knows what the VP does. I can't honestly believe that anyone still supports Palin knowing that. It boggles the mind.

No one is going to change anyone's mind- so NR, you go parrot whatever Faux News tells you to and Tonya42, you go plagiarize someone's blog and post it here and we'll all go to bed happy.

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Anonymous
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NR, intelligence doesn't rule out ideological bias. And yes that works for both sides. Citing an op-ed by a smart person doesn't make it any more worthy. It's still just an opinion reinforced from their selected materials. Kind of like what all of us do here.

And praising the resident plagiarist doesn't reinforce yours. Or maybe it does.

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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JenV, I keep wondering how come people arent making a bigger deal about Palin and not knowing what the VP does! She actually was confusing it with the majority leader in the Senate. Two completly different things. Pure idiocricy.

Secondly, I wonder how come people arent going after teh fact that while Palin was mayor of Wasilla. She managed to increase their towns debt by over 1966%! That is insane. infact, she managed to add roughly $4500 a debt to each Wasilla resident through her eight year term. This is not my definition of fiscally conservative.

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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If tax cuts for the wealthy stimulated growth and created jobs as George Bush claimed they would, we wouldn't be in our current economic fix.

that's simple logic.

It didn't work that way when Reagan did it either... and his little economic plan nearly busted small businesses here in the US.

McCain's economic adviser who is going to help fix the mess is the same man who helped bring us the massive deregulation of the banking business that led to the practice of buying and selling residential mortgages which led to bonuses for brokers who sold subprime mortgages which could be sold for profit and transfer risk elsewhere... which led to a lot of people who could have qualified for regular mortgages buying subprime... which led to our current banking crisis.

so we are supposed to count on the guy who created the deregulation mess to fix it...

somehow i think that is a very bad bet.

But heck... don't let reality get in the way of a good story.

Same as that Obama pie in the sky that all of us democrats are supposed to have fallen for.

Sorry kids, it ain't the kool-aid...

it's a good look at the future McCain wants for us all...

and the knowledge that anyone who is actually willing to hire the best experts to fix this.. you know.. men who are actually making money in this economic downturn... and understand what the problems are... has to be better.

but that would get in the way of a good story too... wouldn't it.

Posted 3 years ago #
Zenguy
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Personally, I have a bowl of popcorn (with white truffle oil now) and am watching the Republican party implode. Palin is pointing out her differences with McCain (good team player or is that mavericky?) McCain trashing the Bush administration and the rest of the Republicans abandoning McCain.

More popcorn please?

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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zenguy..

McCain has more lives than the proverbial cat.

The phone calls to middle America calling Obama a terrorist aren't the last straw.. though with reasonable men, they would be.

That other shoe is descending... and whatever it is.. it will create a stir.

Don't gag on your popcorn when it hits.

We need you alive to vote...

and well.. just because:)

Posted 3 years ago #
WSMom
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/report-john-mcc.html

Oh my gosh, apparently anger management issues run in the family...

"Angry because he was stuck in traffic, a man named Joe McCain -- possibly the brother of the presidential candidate -- placed a call earlier in the week to 911 emergency, ABC News affiliate, WJLA, reports.

The October 21 call went to the city of Alexandria, Virginia emergency operations. This is the transcript of the call:

Operator: 911 state your emergency
Caller: It's not an emergency but do you know why on one side at the damn drawbridge of 95traffic is stopped for 15 minutes and yet traffic's coming the other way?

Operator: Sir, are you calling 911 to complain about traffic? (pause)
Caller: "(Expletive) you." (caller hangs up)

The 911 operator, apparently, unnerved by use of the 911 emergency number to complain about bad traffic, called back the phone number that placed the call.

The operator reached a voice mail message that said, "Hi this is Joe McCain I can't take this message now because I'm involved in a very (inaudible) important political project... I hope on Nov. 4th we have elected John.""

I almost posted this in the joke thread, but I figured it was too political :)

Posted 3 years ago #
villagegreen
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NR - I did read your OP link. That's the one knock against Obama that I just don't get. I get the whole "he palls around with terrorists" thing - fear tactics are standard practice in politics these days (albeit much more effectively and eggregiously used by the Republicans). I get the "Socialist" thing as well - again with the fear tactics. The average person doesn't truly understand what Socialism means, but is confident it's "evil." Equating Obama with Socialism is just plain silly.

However, I just don't get the "Who is Barack Obama argument." People (and especially Repubs) are fond of saying they like his idea of change, but he's "so vague" as to the specifics of his plan. I could see that argument early in the race with Hillary, but since that time he's spelled out exactly what his plan is over and over again. Did you listen to him during all three debates or just tune him out until McCain started speaking? If you did listen objectively to all three debates I think you'd be hard pressed to make the claim that McCain gave more specifics about his plan for the country than Obama did. It's just not the case.

I'm sure you've never been to the Obama website (you'd be "pallin' around with terrorists," but if you're genuinely interested in Obama's plan to fix the economy and turn this country around, I'd encourage you to check out this page: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

The overwhelming majority of economists in this country favor Obama's plan and say he has a better understanding of economics. That's fine if you want to base your vote on something other than economics, but I'll take Obama's specifics over McCain's fear tactics any day.

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Anonymous
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villagegreen - I suggest you re-read the rest of my posts within this "drivel" of a thread. I specifically stated that I HAVE researched Obama's website. I have looked at both side's positions on the issues. I align and agree more with McCain.

JT - The reference to Thomas Sowell's intelligence was in response to another poster insinuating that he wasn't smart. Of course just because someone is smart, doesn't mean they are right. I've never made that claim. I do, however, feel that it is beneficial to share articles, news stories, op-eds of interest from those who see things through conservative eyes. It levels the playing field a tad in this metropolis of liberalism we know as the WSB.

"... so NR, you go parrot whatever Faux News tells you to and Tonya42, you go plagiarize someone's blog and post it here and we'll all go to bed happy." - JenV

Lovely JenV - By posting links to articles of interest on the conservative side, I am doing nothing more than yourself sharing a link to Huffingtonpost, MoveOn or DailyKos. And, you are mistaken to accuse me of plagiarism. That would be if I were to quote something someone else said without sourcing that quote or giving the true author credit. You know, like Joe Biden does. You don't like what I write or link? Then don't come back to this thread (it's actually pretty simple).

So, interesting articles for today:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122480790550265061.html

"The Joint Tax Committee reports that the bottom 60% of taxpayers with incomes below $50,000 paid less than 1% of the federal income tax in 2006, while the 3.3% with incomes above $200,000 paid more than 58%. Most of Mr. Obama's tax rebates go to the bottom 60%. They can't possibly be financed by shifting an even larger share of the tax burden to the top 3.3%" - Alan Reynolds

From a forum favorite:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122479936986464521.html

And for those who predicted that Palin would have 15 minutes of fame and then be forgotten:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122478837840763475.html

Posted 3 years ago #
GenHillOne
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"And, you are mistaken to accuse me of plagiarism"

- Is Tonya42 your alter ego, NR?

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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GenHillOne - Please inform me of a time I have plagiarized.

Again, that is where you quote someone without sourcing the quote, or you use someone else's words as your own. I have done that? If so, where?

You're making a huge accusation here. Back it up with proof.

Posted 3 years ago #
JenV
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no one is accusing you of plagiarism, NR. Tonya42 currently holds that honor. I said you parroted what Faux News tells you. There is a difference, if you step back and actually read things.

Posted 3 years ago #
GenHillOne
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If you weren't making an announcement then, NR, my only accusation was that you didn't read posts 36 and 37 carefully enough.

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Anonymous
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I would have thought AReader held that title. Huh, I guess if you hold the same ideals as the majority here, you are forgiven certain faults.

Another interesting article:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10132008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/an_obama_panic__133374.htm

Posted 3 years ago #
JenV
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oops! sorry! forgot to add AReader to our current hall of shame. thanks SO much for pointing that out, NR. that makes ALL the difference!

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