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What is it about Westwood area that people don't like?


  1. My spouse and I have been trying to rent out our home due to pending relocation to Portland, OR. We have had many calls about our fantastic place, but many "pass go" after they hear that it is located in Westwood area. One of responses I got was, "It's too far from the junction and too close to White Center".

    I understand this area was "not safe" a few years ago, but this up and coming neighborhood is changing constantly. We have been living in our home for past 2.5 years and had no problems.

    I guess some lucky open minded people will enjoy our brand new home...

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  2. I would say that your guesses are fairly correct, along with a lack of "hip" factor. Let's face it, having a Dress Barn in walking distance does not add cachet. But, it's great to have bus routes, Lincoln Park, banks, grocery, liquor store all within a stone's throw (not to mention Full Tilt, Big Al's, and Proletariat Pizza).
    What lured us to buy a home in the area was price. If the rent you are charging is appropriately below Junction rates, I would think you should have a taker before too long.
    P.S. We've been here five years this fall, and no problems.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  3. ToddinWestwood
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    ToddinWestwood

    we are closer to W.C. than westwood folks are. No major problems. It's all about your close neighbors.
    lure them out to the house and get them to check out the 'hood for them selves.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  4. When we first moved to West Seattle we lived on California in one of the view houses. After a year we moved to a wee little house with a huge yard near the middle school and are much much happier..

    lower rent may have been one of the reasons for the move.. but the neighborhood is why we stay.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  5. pigeonmom
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    pigeonmom

    Beats me. I recently moved to Westwood from Sunrise Heights (a mere 4 blocks!)and it's so far, so good. :-)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  6. Can't blame people for wanting to be close to the Junction, but I'd be willing to bet that most of the folks who think being close to White Center is a problem have never actually spent any time White Center.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  7. I can't comment as to why I wouldn't live in Westwood, but I can tell you why we picked Admiral. We are 2 blocks from a bus that gets my wife to work in less than 15 minutes. We can walk to 3 grocery stores (soon to be 2). We can walk to a dozen good restaurants. We are a nice 1/2 mile walk to the water. Its quiet and fairly safe.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  8. Carson, don't forget having a movie theater in walking distance. Banks, too. And a library with easy access :)

    I have been by where JoB lives..it's a great area, even if you have to get in your car to go shopping. Westwood Village has shops and things that our area doesn't have. And with rents that are cheaper in that area, it seems to me that would be an attraction. Every area has something to offer :)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  9. and I can walk to the barber and dog food store and bagel store and a few parks and The Swinery and on and on and on. Whats even better is we can go days and never get in a car!

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  10. When I first moved to West Seattle, we lived on south Delridge, not far from White Center. I liked spending time in Westwood and said that if I ever bought a house in WS, it would probably be in that area. I did hear a lot of people question my wanting to live in that area of West Seattle because of their inaccurate perceptions - probably from people who just "hear stories" and really know nothing firsthand. One day I was taking the bus to the Junction from work (when I still lived on Delridge) and someone asked me about the bus route. I told her I wasn't familiar with it since I usually took the 120. She looked puzzled and asked where it went. When I told her where it went, and where I lived, she had this snarl of disgust on her face and said, "oh, I never go ANYWHERE near THERE" as if it was where lepers lived. I wish people weren't so elitist and misguided.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  11. when we moved to seattle we were warned by the people hubby met at work not to rent east of 35th or south of thistle...

    just shows what they didn't know.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  12. Jiggers
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    Jiggers

    Let's not sugarcoat it. The real reason the area gets a "bad rap" so to speak is because the area is part of low-income housing on one side of Westwood Villiage(QFC side, and sparatic). The farther South you go from the Junction, the more low-income the neighborhoods get. Go East and over on to Delridge were over 70% of homes there are low-income. In fact, a lot of those dwellings along Delridge are subsidized rents. There are a few nicer homes that have been built or remodeled, but a person who makes real good money will not look to live there if they can afford a nicer area to live in. I lived in White Center for over 6 years and found no problem living there because I loved the diversity, and most of all, different ethnic foods. But most upper or middle class white( it's true) people who have __ for brains, and really haven't been there, will talk it down. Crime runs rampant anywhere on any given day. Just because you spent $$$$ on a home and live in a posh hood, doesn't mean that you aren't prone to getting carjacked. I remembered when businesses in the Junction started to get a rash of robberies awhile back, I heard "oh not here In our fine Junction neighborhood". It doesn't matter were you live. People are so ignorant...:(

    Westwood Villiage and White Center area's have hard working families, and owning a home there is a very good investment if you don't have much money to begin with.:)

    Be smart with what you have and earn..

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  13. Hey Kota, is your house on Craigslist? I'd like to see it.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  14. WSeaFam2
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    We live about 7 blocks from Westwood in the Highland Park area, and our little neighborhood is very quiet and well kept. We have really enjoyed living here. I think one thing about Seattle that makes it so great to live in are the diverse neighborhoods, and Westwood is just one of them. I am always amused when people say certain areas of Seattle are sketchy or scary, and it lets me know they have never lived in another large city where you see much more crime and danger.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  15. those who live insulated lives are always looking for more insulation :)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  16. I need more insulation, my heating bills are ridiculous! Oh, wait... ;)

    I've lived in Highland Park for over 10 years. Still like it.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  17. flowerpetal
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    flowerpetal

    We live close to Westwood Village and are very happy with our neighborhood. And we have worked at it to make it a friendly and safer place. I know everyone on my block to some degree. This year we are having our first "Night Out" event and folks are pretty excited about that. I like knowing that JoB is just a holler away; and now I read that Pigeonmom may be close by too? Whoo Hoo!
    We have all read here in the forums about whacky neighbors. Some things are preventable and then every now and then you get the kind of folks who smoke under your windows or have camping tenants in their back yards. That's difficult to prevent.
    Don't give up kota!

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  18. There is something about the Westwood area that I don't like, but it's really minor and pretty random.. I live a ten minute walk from the post office on california, but because of my zipcode or because I'm east of 35th they hold my packages at the westwood office. Once they tried to deliver my orca card via registered or certified or whatever mail, I wasn't home to sign so I had to take the bus down there to pick up my bus pass. That was the last time I paid cash to ride a metro bus. Westwood otherwise seems like a perfectly nice part of town though.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  19. me on 28th Ave SW
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    We live just off Thistle and love it. Easy walking distance to just about everything which is really convenient. I love that there is both a police precinct and fire station near by for the events that no family wants, but still sometime gets. Plenty of action during the day (cars, buses and pedestrians) but really quiet at night. I feel like we've got it made.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  20. WSeaFam2
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    Since tomorrow night is "Seattle Night Out" you could invite people to come see the neighborhood and get an idea of what a friendly place to live it is. I know our block has a party with a potluck, and we fill our street. And my parents also live in the area and thier block does one too so I am sure that this is common in our area :) This should show how nice our community and neighbors are!

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  21. Well, thanks for all of your insights and/or opinions. We really love our home and after much discussion we decided to keep it as a rental. Who knows, we may return to Seattle in a few years.

    My spouse pointed out that our house is in Delridge neighborhood...I say close enough!

    Yes, it is listed on craigslist gogo, it's the 2BR 2.5Bath house on Delridge.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  22. Kota..

    a link here to that listing might be the extra step it takes to secure a tenant... after all.. those of us who love this broader area of West Seattle... Delridge, Highland Park, Westwood and yes.. White Center... have had a lot that is good to say about living here.

    those who reject your listing for the address aren't likely to make good long term tenants anyway... someone who rents because of the advantages of an area is far more likely to stay than someone who rents because they can't find a rental in their area of choice.

    like flowerpetal.. i like living where there are so many WSB friends nearby....

    in fact.. i think it's time for another meet up east of 35th.

    it's too bad zippys doesn't have more space.. their burgers alone would draw a crowd :)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  23. Kota..

    you can link your listing in response to a request..

    your listing isn't showing up on housing maps so i can't easily find it and i know someone who is looking for a rental in West Seattle.

    please post the link to your listing here.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  24. kota, is this the house? http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/1876810688.html

    If so, two thoughts. If it's on Delridge, a lot of people don't want to live ON Delridge because it can be loud. I used to live on Delridge at Kenyon, but lived at the back of the apartment complex and didn't hear the traffic. I know the people who lived closer complained about it often. I live on Fauntleroy now and I know it's noisy to most people. I'm a New Yorker, so I don't notice it. :)

    My second though is, how does this house compare to the market rents in that area? I ask because I'm renting a house 1/2 mile from the Alaska Junction for the same rent as the house in this ad, and my house (although much older and not modern) is 700 sq. feet larger and also includes garbage and water. The house next to me was for rent within the past year and had a similar price point as well. So you may want to doublecheck that the price is comparable to other similar houses in the area. I haven't looked at house rents in 3 years for the most part, so I don't know what's typical now - it's possible I just got lucky. :)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  25. I'm very interested as well. We will be moving (unfortunatly) out of our house Highland Park soon. Our landlord has to sell it :( I grew up in the Delridge neighborhood and my Mom still lives down there in the same house. Please post a link to the ad! I'd love to take a look :)

    It's funny to me that putting Delridge in the ad, as opposed to Westwood, would be thought of as more of a draw. I grew up in the 80s and 90s and people always gave me a dirty look when I said I lived in the Delridge neighborhood. Times they are a changin in that area...for the better.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  26. WSeaFam2
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    Your home looks just beautiful! I am sure you will rent it soon :)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  27. Sue...

    i agree about being right on delridge...

    but suspect the rent is in line..

    after all..
    2 beds with attached baths
    which means it is roommate friendly
    and a bath on the main floor
    and a fully fenced yard
    and pet friendly...
    and bus lines outside your door...

    not to mention fairly easy walking distance to Westwood Mall and to White Center shopping ...

    i pay more than that for a much older rental a few blocks west of that location.

    it's hard to know isn't it...

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  28. JoB, I figure it's probably not out of line either, but like I said, since I haven't looked over there recently, so didn't know if things changed with the economy. One of the reasons mine is probably so cheap is an odd set-up: 1800 sq. feet but only one official (legal) bedroom - a former owner who was disabled took out a wall to make the 2 bedrooms into one huge room. Works for us - a couple with no kids - but makes it less in demand.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  29. Well, I'm happy to report that the place has been rented. Called the potential tenants and they verbally agreed. I'm happy to say the least, now the serous rental search in Portland begins!

    I researched the rental prices around here before I decided on the amount, my wife and I decided it was more than fair. 2BR apartments are going for $1200 a month. I realize there are a ton of new construction townhomes around here for rent, but our home is the only new construction single family home in the area for rent.

    Those of you looking for a rental, I will keep you guys posted as it's not a "done deal" until I have the deposit in hand. Thanks again for all of your insights.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  30. I warn people to be wary of cheap rents along Delridge near Longfellow Creek, because of the historical flooding. I advise to rent above ground level, and to make sure they are on higher ground. And if they smell damp, avoid it!

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  31. WSeaFam2
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    So glad to hear you are close to renting your house :)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  32. TheHouse
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    TheHouse

    I had to chime in on this since I live in Westwood.

    First off, I can rattle off approximately a dozen murders and bank robberies that have occurred in the Junction and Admiral areas in the past 7 years that I've lived in Westwood. Many more than I've ever heard in Westwood (and we have plenty of businesses here).

    Second, in the one of two issues that I've come across in the past 7 years they have been related to either homeless people (it was a stalking issue with a neighbors kid) or teenagers. Both of these "classes" are found throughout any major metropolitan area and are simply par for the course in big cities.

    Third, I am within walking distance to QFC, Target, Barnes & Noble, approximately 4 parks (only 1.1 miles from Lincoln Park), a community center, a public library, a fresh fruit stand, a liquor store, one of the best pizza places in WS (Gianonni's), Eats Cafe, a ferry dock, a YMCA, a Sports Complex, a public High School, Middle and Elementary School, a Post Office, a great little coffee shop (Bird On A Wire) and am still pretty damn close to The Junction.

    Fourth, you could live near me!

    There is nothing wrong with Westwood and it is a great little community! Personally, I think it's a great little place to call home.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  33. kota...

    i am glad you have a prospective tenant...

    as much as i love Seattle.. and i do.. the idea of looking for a rental in Portland stirs longing in my soul...

    i miss the easy access to the gorge.. hot springs.. the beach.. the mountains and of course.. the food trucks :)

    happy hunting.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  34. thansen
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    thansen

    I have lived in WS all my life, grew up in Admiral, lived in Genesee, then near Morgan Junction, and now in Westwood.

    BY FAR Westwood is the best location. No parking hassles, quiet, don't have to deal with the bridge, close to Lincoln park, etc...

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  35. Well, I've spoke too soon, the prospective tenants backed out this evening. "We regret to tell you that we had been looking at another place...". Basically, another landlord offered cheaper rent and they backed out on the verbal agreement.

    Back to square one. Sigh.

    Those of you that were interested, I will post a link to the soon-to-be-ad.

    :(

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  36. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/1881632998.html

    Here it is. ;)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  37. kota..

    it's a renters market out there...

    did you ask if they had signed an agreement with the other landlord yet?
    sometimes it's about money..
    sometimes there are other ways you can sweeten the deal for them.

    if they are good tenants.. don't give up the fight until it's over.

    btw..
    you are still not showing up on housing maps.
    is there something more you need to do on craigslist to show up?

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  38. JoB, I took your advice and emailed them with a better offer. We decided to lower the rent a bit, so here is the new listing.

    http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/1882386887.html

    House is on Delridge, just before Thistle, has a bus stop in front of the property.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  39. good luck!

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  40. villagegreen
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    villagegreen

    This is probably stupid of me to chime in at this late juncture, but I'll get back to OP's original question. So, yeah, the first thing that I'd say is your house is in Highland Park, probably not Westwood (although the border is kinda vague). Anyway, when I think of Highland Park, the first thing that comes to mind is the lack of sidewalks on certain streets. I've never understood this. Do we live in a real city or some rural outpost? The reason people live in urban areas is for the convenience of nearby businesses/services. Highland Park kinda feels like the city annexed it and then forgot about it. But that's what you get when you call yourself a progressive city and then don't have an income tax - the infrustructure suffers.

    Secondly, I like Westwood Village for certain needs. However, I don't know what it is, but everytime I go there I get a generalized depressed feeling. Even though it's a 'village', it feels so suburban. Being able to walk to Target, Barnes and Noble, and Dress Barn just isn't something that's appealing to me. I'd much rather be closer to the shops in White Center. It's a little seedier, but a lot more interesting.

    Third, south Delridge is a visual travesty. With all the slapped-together condos and townhomes, it really got a raw deal with the developer boom of the recent past. And it's loud. I purposely avoid the street everytime I'm driving back from White Center after 11pm since there's a fifty-fifty chance there'll be some type of police action going on. Call this hyperbole, but that has been my experience (especially on weekends).

    OK - bash away. Call me sheltered or whatever. I can handle it.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  41. villaggreen..

    i agree with you that i would much rather be in walking distance to white center than to westwood village..

    but although it may be further to white center from the OPs house than from westwood village .. it is certainly an easier walk :)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  42. angelescrest
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    angelescrest

    I have to answer villagegreen:
    I absolutely agree w/that feeling of ickiness at Westwood Village. I think the restaurant EATS is the one spot in the whole joint that transcends "suburban mall". BUT, that lack of sidewalks in Highland Park? I am smitten. After dropping one child off at SSCC summer classes, we meandered around and found Sanislo's playground and field: an oasis in the city! What a gorgeous site. And the greenbelt (are they canyons?) that back a lot of the area is so beautiful. There is a tiny espresso hut on the Zippy's lot--a walkable necessity to me.

    As school attendance is now firmly attached to where one lives, I imagine that that can play into the real estate thing, as well.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  43. LOL..

    when did suburbia become urban blight?

    a mall is nothing more than stores grouped together for convenience...

    not my favorite walking destination
    i would prefer to see traffic moved underground or stores raised to second levels...

    but certainly clean, safe and acceptable.

    You haven't traveled enough or watched enough travel shows that highlight exceptional dining if you don't realize that some of the most interesting restaurants are found in strip malls across America.

    This mall also contains the neighborhood post office, a grocery, a drug store, snuggles between one of the most active sports stadiums and rec centers in West Seattle and a public park and is walking distance to a public library.

    Urban blight?
    In this case it is only a personal perception.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  44. angelescrest
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    angelescrest

    Urban blight? I don't think anyone used that term. Perhaps it's the large-scale parking lots--and all the traffic and havoc they bring--in the middle of residential areas that give way to MY perception of "ugh"; kind of a downer that chokes out that neighborhoody feeling that I do love.
    And those un-sidewalk streets!

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  45. angelescrest..

    i walk that neighborhood nearly every day with my dogs... and talk with my neighbors as they stop to pass the time while i am working in the front garden...

    there is a real neighborhood here not so far away from that icky mall that isn't so icky as malls go... not so much havoc either...

    it's cleaner and safer than the junction.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  46. angelescrest
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    angelescrest

    I repeat: agreed, amazing neighborhood.

    Less beautific, in my opinion, the shopping center, particular spots especially.

    Perhaps a mural could be painted on that huge wall one runs into (visually) from the entrance past the post office off Trenton...some sort of natural continuity from the ball fields to the park on the other side. And, sorry, but it's a hard parking lot to negotiate w/a child in hand.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  47. For the most part, I actually like the latest incarnation of Westwood, and the looks of the buildings.

    I think a big part of it is that I despised the previous renovation, around ten years earlier. I thought the "improvements" in that one looked cheap, and plastic.

    That big, arch shaped sign that adorned the Barton St. side of the mall between Pay-n-Save/Payless Drugs, and the backside of QFC, was hideous, and probably the cheapest looking part of all. It had those vertical, cylindrical, perforated columns that should have never made it to the architectual drawings, let alone off of them.

    Not only did I not like their appearance, they were dumb in a practical sense as well. They were the perfect invite for those that choose to litter to cram their crap through.

    Then, of course, the grounds maintenance staff is stuck wasting their time, fumbling around, trying to dig the crap out of them, with a broom, or whatever, from the gap between the bottom of the cylinder, and it's base. I wonder how often they got a talking to for taking too much time to do their rounds because of that wasted time.

    There's no way the design team should have been surprised that that problem would arise, they just thought it looked cool.

    The only thing that bothered me about seeing that previous version go, is that being done only ten or twelve years earlier, it seemed like an incredible waste of the then new materials. Even if some could be recycled, I'm sure that much went to a landfill.

    All that being said, it does seem to have a bit of a more spread out feel to it, IMHO, which is kind of ironic, since there was talk off and on for many years of slapping a lid over the original main section.

    Mike

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  48. closing the center street and slapping a lid over it would drastically improve the walkability of the mall.. but i am guessing it might cost places like radio shack business.

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  49. Yeah, I think it would be much more difficult with the new layout, than with the original.

    Mike

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  50. Just checking WSB for rentals when I found this. Im hoping I can find a nice little house for my cousin to rent so he stays in Seattle.
    as far as WESTWOOD..... I'm very happy I landed here. I've lived in neighborhoods all over the city before I purchased my fab mid -century modern one block from Westwood Vilage. the location is great. It was even better before all the trees came down on the corner of my block. They provided alot of privacy from the increasing traffic going to the mall. Even though I find OFC obnoxiously over crowded I still like the convienince of being able to walk to all needed services. I can walk to just about everything I need in any direction. Dont see much more crime here than anywhere else. A lot of artists moved down here from the north end because we could afford to buy here, and once artists start moving in and bringing little spots of cool, money moves in and starts tearing down the old and building the new.thus turning the genuinely quirky and interresting into the pre- packaged socially acceptible version of "boutique or artisan" whatever! We've got about 5 more years before it gets completely gentrified. I'm glad I dont live in the middle of all the fauxhiemen trappings of the Junction or the smugness of Admiral dist. Westwood still feels like its got enough room to breath but has all of the basics covered. Screw sidewalks! I prefer not having one infront of my house, it keeps nosey people from looking at my garden.

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