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What if McCain Wins (and other ramblings)


  1. I apologize in advance for my ramblings……but what will you do if McCain actually wins? According to CNN polls, Obama is already a lock. But what if the ghost of Dewey is out there and CNN hasn’t been polling the right people? I guess that’s why we have an election and don’t select a President based on a random sampling of 500 people.

    Anyway, for the rambling part, the discussions in this forum have been so anti-McCain that it gets infuriating sometimes. Now, I’m not a big McCain supporter, but I also don’t believe Obama has all the answers. I can’t help but think sometimes, where do some of you get off? You poke fun at Pallin for being a “hockey mom” (nothing wrong with that, and I bet a good number of you have been, are or will be “soccer/football/baseball moms) but someone made light of Biden shopping at home Depot and you were all over him….”leave Joe alone”. What’s the diff? (Actually, I might question his judgment, he should be shopping at the Delaware equivalent of McClendon’s). You poke fun at her life style, doing things Alaskans do. I don’t know where anybody here was raised (I suppose if I went back through past threads, I might find out), but if you were raised in Alaska, that would be your lifestyle as well.

    I don’t see the name Obama any where in the name of this blog. It’s supposed to for open discussion, yet those who don’t agree get ridiculed out of here or bashed. And don’t say if you don’t like it stay out, which I believe I saw somewhere. I can’t ever recall an opposing opinion that got the response “That’s a valid point”, only an attack about how wrong it is. The House used to provide some lively debate, but even he admitted “what’s the point”?

    So, Obamans, what’s your plan if McCain wins? How will your life be different regardless of who wins? If Obama is elected, will you light a fire, kick back, sigh and say “Aaahhh, Nirvana. All is right with the world. What’s broken is now fixed.” Is your passport all in order, because sure as shootin’ (might have been a Palin joke on my part -- sorry) if McCain wins, we’re going to hell in a handbasket?.

    Oh, and TR, perhaps some better screening is order to keep the dissidents out.

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  2. Well first of all, I don't think their polling the right people. It's narrowed down to people with landlines basically and that discounts a lot of young voters. As someone who has only been old enough to participate in the last two elections I know from experience not to get my hopes up too high. Anything is possible.

    My mother always told me that it's not polite to discuss politics and this forum is an excellent example of why. People are so passionate about how they feel about their candidate or their opinions that it borders on how people feel about religion anymore. I'm glad that people are so aware as to feel passionate about politics, but it's when people (either republican or democrat) are unaware or misinformed that I get peeved. Not at the people on here but the reasons why we are all duped into thinking certain things about candidates. It gets me mad about media, prejudices, and spinning of facts about things that are so important to the American people. Of course I'm more aware of it when it targets Obama, but I think there's reason to be mad on both sides.

    I think that often times, the people pointing the fingers are the ones who have not backed up their points with facts or sources. If we could do that without the personal opinions getting to entrenched into our comments there wouldn't be too much to bicker about.

    And like the post I made in the off-leash-dogs post, it only takes one bad apple to ruin it for a whole group. I regret that there are people on here that make comments about Obama being a terrorist, not loving America and quoting Ann Coulter. It's a crying shame as far as I'm concerned, but I truly appreciate the factually based and respectful conversations I've had on here with other members from various political parties.

    And if Obama does win - for the record I still think we'll still have a long long road ahead of us. I think we can all agree on that.

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  3. Oh - and the ripping on Palin? I don't think it's just the hockey mom thing - I think it's the way that she parades it around as a qualifier for being vice president or as a way to relate to the American people. People have made fun of Obama for having a terrorist's name, having funny ears and have poked fun about his experience as a community organizer... publicly... in a formal political forum. I think the only thing you should REALLY feel sorry for her about that is even on par with this character smearing is the whole pregnancy debacle. The hockey mom thing? It's working for her more than it's hurting her, so again... I wouldn't waste too much time feeling sorry for her. It's what endeared her to the American public in the first place.

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  4. Hi. Could you please choose the "Elections 2008" forum when making posts like these? It's in the drop-down menu when you make a new post. Thanks.

    The only person who can move posts is the "keymaster", lowmanbeach.

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  5. Cait,

    I'm not really feeling sorry for her, and I realize being a hockey mom is not a qualifier to be be vice-president, but niether is shopping at Home Depot. I was trying to make about the way people are treated, act and react in this particular forum. I actually believe too much time is spent on Palin when it is McCain everyone should be focused on. But I also think she was right when she said the pulse of America can be found at soccer field. I also agree that if Obama wins, we we will have along way to go.

    I also agree that if Obama wins, we we will have along way to go. (But what I if said "But is it the right way?" What would become of me? That's a theoretical question by the way)

    And I also agree with your comment "I regret that there are people on here that make comments about Obama being a terrorist, not loving America and quoting Ann Coulter."

    Sometimes this forum goes to far overboard.

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  6. Moved.
    For anyone who missed an explanation of one reason this really matters - besides proper categorization if you choose to browse by forum section instead of just the open "recent discussions" list - if you use RSS to get updates on a forum section that interests you, and a popular new topic is launched in the wrong section, your feed gets cluttered up with all those updates till the topic is moved to where it belongs. The perennially-in-progress back-end upgrades hopefully will include defaulting to "open discussion" rather than "reader recommendations," but that's the default now because that was the original reason the forums were launched. Just check the dropdown before you launch a topic and make sure the right forum is chosen. Thanks! - TR

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  7. rampinrodney
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    If the McCain/Palin ticket wins I'm moving to Iraq....

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  8. Sorry TR. I meant to do that but hit send before I did.

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  9. GenHillOne
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    I will move to any country with a national health system and a neutral army...there are plenty to choose from.

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  10. But what I if said "But is it the right way?" What would become of me? - JohnM.

    You'd be asking a very legitimate question. There are risks either way, definitely. I've often said that politics is a game of the lesser of two evils. I have my reservations about Obama to be sure, but being young and hopeful I suppose it just makes sense.

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  11. bcollins
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    I knew the "move to another country" comment would come out. Kinda lame.

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  12. angelescrest
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    angelescrest

    Kinda real. Can you imagine another four years of this bs? Or, perhaps the realityof the morass that we have "fallen into" hasn't quite hit home?

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  13. GenHillOne
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    Maybe bcollins, but - and no offense to JohnM at all - it's kind of a lame question. What do you think we'll do? We'll all suffer. We'll have to start all over, working to get better people into office that can make a difference. And we will.

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  14. bcollins
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    America...love it or leave it. Have you heard that one? I think it's just as lame. If you don't participate to make a better situation (and just complain) you should leave. If you can't compromise or wish to participate in democracy...you should leave. Or do you think there is a grand conspiracy and that votes all across the country are being faked?

    You probably stomp away if you don't win at marbles as well don't you?

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  15. bcollins
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    Suffer? I seriuosly doubt that anyone on this thread is truly suffering. I would say we know little about suffering and more about whining. Don't get me wrong, I think there is more suffering...but I think there is as much whining.

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  16. as I said in another thread, I remember bringing my daughter into this world on Oct. 21, 1980, a few weeks before Ronald Reagan was elected president. I remember holding her ad wondering what kind of world I had brought her into. I was not then, nor have been since then, a fan of Ronald Reagan. I don't rever him as some in our country have. But...the world did go on, and we are still here.

    I am much, much more afraid of the McCain/Palin ticket. I think his age is showing, and I truly don't think that he has the stamina, nor expertise(he has stated publicly that he doesn't have any economic expertise), to lead us in the next 4 years out of the morass this country is in. Add to that Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan. He will be 85 before the first year is out.

    And...Sarah Palin can be a hockey mom, and a Governor...but she doesn't have the expertise to deal with these tough issues no matter how much the Repubs backing her wish that she did. And if something happens to John McCain, what then? He overlooks her now, she's just an appendage to him. He doesn't seem to communicate with her on things, to wit, her reading about pulling out of Michigan in the newspaper , for goodness sake.

    We need the top two people to be able to communicate, to work together. These are damned tough times. If, by some slim chance, that duo wins, the world will go on, but I wonder exactly how well our world will do that. And holding feet to the fire will take on a whole new meaning. It's an extremely sobering thought.

    Or...we'll read things like this :(tongue firmly planted in cheek)

    Immigration Crisis on our Northern border

    Op-Ed Essay from the MANITOBA HERALD, Canada

    A flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has
    intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to
    stop the illegal immigration.

    The possibility of a McCain/Palin election is prompting the exodus among
    left-leaning citizens who fear they'll soon be required to hunt, pray,
    and agree with Bill O'Reilly. Canadian border farmers say it's not
    uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, animal rights activists
    and Unitarians crossing their fields at night.

    I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood
    producer huddled in the barn,' said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose
    acreage borders North Dakota. The producer was cold, exhausted and
    hungry. 'He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range
    chicken. When I said I didn't have any, he left. Didn't even get a chance
    to show him my screenplay, eh?'

    In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher
    fences, but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers
    that blare Rush Limbaugh across the fields. 'Not real effective,' he
    said. 'The liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so much
    they wouldn't give milk.'

    Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals
    near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them
    across the border and leave them to fend for themselves. 'A lot of these
    people are not prepared for rugged conditions,' an Ontario border
    patrolman said. 'I found one carload without a drop of drinking water.
    'They did have a nice little Napa Valley cabernet, though.'

    When liberals are caught, they're sent back across the border, often
    wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have
    been circulating about the McCain administration establishing
    re-education camps in which liberals will be forced to shoot wolves from
    airplanes, deny evolution, and act out drills preparing them for the
    Rapture.

    In recent days, liberals have turned to sometimes-ingenious ways of
    crossing the border. Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus
    trips to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a
    half-dozen young vegans disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration
    authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen
    passengers on Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney hits to prove they were
    alive in the '50s. 'If they can't identify the accordion player on The
    Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious about their age,' an official said.

    Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are
    creating an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan
    Sarandon movies. 'I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian
    economy just can't support them,' an Ottawa resident said. 'How many
    art-history and English majors does one country need?'

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  17. bcollins
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    Please explain your suffering or the morass you are in because of Bush. Understand...I support Obama, but I'd like to think it's because of his ideas and not my fear or irrational reflexes.

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  18. GenHillOne
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    bcollins - huh? was I not clear?
    "We'll have to start all over, working to get better people into office that can make a difference. And we will." I do participate and expect that I will continue to do so. If McCain wins the presidency, which was the question, I will work to get someone better next time, which was my answer.

    And I think you would be very surprised at what many are going through. It is presumptuous for you to think that people here aren't having problems and that they are not afraid.

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  19. John M

    Here's what i don't understand.

    We have a failed foreign policy. War first and diplomacy later just isn't working... and changing the tune in the last year of a 8 year presidency is too little too late.

    We have a failed economic policy. Our national debt alone weakens our nation beyond anything that could have been imagined.

    Our president is so worried about domestic unrest that he mobilized an entire battalion on American soil and that is where it will be stationed.. . something that hasn't happened since just before the Mexican American war...

    and that's the least reactionary explanation for why he has mobilized that force.

    BTW.. using that force in Iraq or Afghanistan would free up National Guard forces that are supposed to be doing the job of disaster assistance...

    We spent a 100 million dollars on security for the two political conventions...

    We employ a private army in Blackwater and other security forces that is better paid and better provisioned than our own armed forces.. and is at least as large as our armed forces in Iraq..

    and they are not held accountable to either our laws or the Iraqi laws.

    We just bailed out major financial institutions without insisting that they comply with any kind of federal oversight.

    We are headed into what is expected to be a severe recession at the least and a depression equaling the great depression at the worst.. and we have taken the world economy with us.

    And we have been fed the lie that everything is just fine for the last 8 years.

    At what point do you say something is wrong with this picture?

    Now you may believe John McCain when he says he is going to do something about the mess we are in.. but at what point did he actually begin to admit that we had a problem?

    He still thinks we have no problem in Iraq. He says the surge is working... and we should do the same thing in Afghanistan.

    Suddenly he is behind regulation.. but he was one of the leading forces for deregulation.. especially the legislation that erased that little line that used to keep personal and commercial banking separate.

    And his VP pick isn't exactly reassuring.

    I know more about the state of our economy, our national institutions and world affairs than Sarah Palin... and i am exceedingly unqualified to be president should something happen.

    She will be next in line for the presidency should something go wrong for John McCain whose medical issues alone make it highly likely that she will be sitting in the Oval Office for at least limited periods of time.

    What about that works for you?

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  20. bcollins
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    Genhill then tell me. Let's move from myth to fact. Not second hand...

    As I said, I am sure there is more. Just not on this thread as a result of Bush.

    I support Obama. Not whiners.

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  21. By the way, my comment " (But what I if said "But is it the right way?" What would become of me? That's a theoretical question by the way)" was in the context of the my original discussion, which was forum responses to pro-McCain statements. Perhaps I should should have added "would I be severly chastised and shown the error of my ways?
    would I be vored out of the forum?

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  22. GenHillOne
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    What myth exactly, bcollins? I want better for our country than we've had. I believe that is more likely with Obama than McCain. This election has moved me to action and I will continue to participate. Finances have been better for me in the past, I am worried, and I know many who are in dire situations. What I've said is pretty simple and straightforward, so I'm not sure what your digging for in my comments.

    Edit to add: if you keep editing your comments, it's very difficult to respond

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  23. bcollins
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    then I will drop it

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  24. angelescrest
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    angelescrest

    Iraq is a morass. All the suffering it brings and all the consequences being felt and not yet felt on many different levels. The guy marched in there with a personal vendetta NOT knowing full well that you can't stuff a democracy down another country's throat. No WMDs...remember? Unilaterally....
    If only for Iraq alone, this guy is responsible for horrendously wreckless behavior in office, the outcome of which SHOULD be a collective suffering by all of us, BUT because we don't get to see coffins, because the articles of truly wrecked lives are published sporadically and generally only about lives of Americans, we can sort of forget about it all, huh?
    This is a morass to me, and that's just a thumbnail sketch, and just one "lil" thing. You disagree?

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  25. John M..

    i think it's far too easy to decide that this is some big contest and focus on the contest and not the outcome.

    it does matter who is in the white house..

    we have just experienced an inexperienced president who may just now be learning his job after nearly 8 years..

    but was elected the first time because people liked him..

    and the second because maybe he would get around to doing what he said he would do the first term. (Honest to god, that was exactly what the endorsement in the largest newspaper in St Paul gave as their reason for endorsing him for the second term.)

    This isn't about them and us.

    It's no longer about one party being better than the other.

    It's about getting someone in the white house who realizes there is a problem that needs to be fixed and is willing to look for the best solutions.. not the most popular sounding solutions.

    If John McCain wasn't a republican, even republicans would be hard pressed to say that he is the man for the job.

    And if Sarah Palin was on the democratic ticket.. you would be leading the comments on her inappropriateness for the job.

    I am really sorry the republicans didn't field better qualified candidates...

    but when does the time come when the outcome is more important than the game?

    For your own financial welfare, it might be now.

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  26. bcollins
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    angelescrest...I do agree Iraq is a morass. I just don't think moving to Canada solves Iraq. Please see my original comments. Additionally, you, me and most people don't feel the consequences of Iraq...not truly. Once again, I commented on the move to another country comment. Then proceeded to confuse a conversation with genhill.

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  27. Jo B

    All valid points and I agree with you. I said originally that I was not a big McCain supporter. I was expressing my frustration with the way discussions truly cross the lines sometimes. Where did I say everything has been fine the last 8 years? And that it works for me?

    I think my point has been missed.

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  28. beachdrivegirl
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    beachdrivegirl

    JohnM,
    After last election I realized I had to take a look @ all candidates running for the Democrat and Republican Parties and decide on the best candidate to support. Months ago I chose Obama. I chose Obama because although I do not 100% agree with his economic plans I think they are better than the Republican running. I chose Obama because I believe he has the charisma and class needed to gain back the respect from world leaders that Bush has managed to destroy. I chose Obama for many other reasons too. I hear your concern about the shortage of the McCain voice on the WSB and I agree. I enjoy to learn and to question my beliefs. As of today I am glad I have chosen to support Obama. If I was not supporting him I would be supporting either Barr or Nadar. I do not believe McCain can run our country. I despise not only his healthcare plan but his tax plan as well. And if he gets elected, i will be disappointed. I will be disappointed because my brother and his family will not come home from Australia. My brother sees the hurt our country is in (due to Bush and McCain policies), and he will not subject his family to that. If McCain gets elected I will work harder to assure we do not have the two party system that exists anymore. Both parties are in shambles and need to get over themselves and stop arguing and pointing the figure at the other. If McCain wins, I will work harder and longer hours to pay my bills because I don't think McCain has the plans to get us out of the recession we are in.

    Now JohnM, is that enough rambling for you?

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  29. Anonymous
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    JohnM, there will always be those intent on shouting you down for having a different opinion. That's probably how they handle conflict in general and I imagine it spreads into much more than politics. Challenging beliefs can be threatening.

    Take up your space and ignore the static. You'll never change people, but hopefully you can choose to not let them affect you.

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  30. angelescrest
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    angelescrest

    And, then, you do agree that the morass was caused by bush--right?

    And, true, my kids aren't in Iraq or Afghanistan, but y'know, when my son turned 18, he HAD to sign up for something (for a future draft?), and I (and many friends) were and have been nervous. aND, is there such a thing as moral suffering? And, the guilt knowing your child isn't there, but someone else's is? The guilt of knowing that we are responsible for the utterably and horribly changed lives of innocent people? Whaddya call that? Or the fact that so much of the world looks upon us with such disdain? It's a suffering, to me, though not as pronounced as what you might have been thinking.

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  31. bcollins
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    Iraq was not Bushes fault. Once again...not Bushes fault. There were idiots across the board who voted for war. Dems and Republicans.

    Suffering on the level you are referring to is not what I am commenting on.

    Leaving the country doesn't solve the morale issue. Electing Obama is the beginning and if for some crazy reason he loses...protest.

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  32. beachdrivegirl
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    beachdrivegirl

    bcollins, I 100% agree that we can not blame Bush ( And I am eating my own words b/c I do bring up his failed economic policies of the past few years) we absolutely have to revisit our current two party system and I believe Obama is the person to do that.

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  33. angelescrest
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    angelescrest

    bush-cheney. Buck stops there for me.
    I have this awful notion (a la Kent State) that protesting won't be greeted effusively, but let's not go there. I am thinking positively!

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  34. I certainly hope that my post about the news from Manitoba, etc. wasn't taken seriously..it was tongue in cheek. It's making fun of ourselves..you know, us libs, who say they can't live here if McCain is elected. It was not meant to be taken seriously.

    Having said that, I don't see where there is whining here. The question was...what if McCain is really elected? Those of us who would abhor his being in the white house would be duly upset...but, as I said, hold his feet to the fire more than ever...and then work to make sure that he has excellent healthcare, and is voted out of office in 4 years.

    angelescrest...I agree on Bush-Cheney and Iraq...

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  35. bcollins...perhaps you're not suffering, but my pocketbook is certainly taking a wallop. My cash clients are down, because even though I feel that what I do is good for them, unless it's paid for by their insurance co., they simply aren't coming as much. And, groceries cost more. I'm extremely frugal. I've learned over the last 4 years to be extremely frugal. But, it gets tiresome, and it causes one to worry. My rent isn't going down, nor are my other bills. There are plenty of people in the same boat. Maybe you don't consider it suffering, but I do. And it's not whining..it's simply a fact...and then we see the bailout helping those who have a ton more. Frustrated? That's a mild term.

    We all look at things differently...my experience is different than your, and yours is different than the next persons...but don't discount how we feel...it's all valid.

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  36. acemotel
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    acemotel

    If McCain wins, it's time for organization, networking, civil disobedience a la 1966. A great thing about this country is its revolutionary spirit, and bush's economic policies have clearly drawn class lines. We have met the enemy and it's not the Moslems. McCain has NO IDEA what national security problems he will face.

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  37. acemotel- i am with you! revolt & resist! Bring on the revolution!

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  38. GenHillOne
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    JanS - I would hope the Manitoba story would be seen as satire as well! (note to self: start stockpiling sociology professors, animal rights activists, and Unitarians.) I also would think that no one actually believes that rampinrodney would move to Iraq. Nor would I actually move to Australia, though I did want to point out that I'd like to see all Americans with healthcare and less intrusive foreign relations. Perhaps I should have been more careful to include ;) in my comment.

    ace – working for change? community organizing? we’d get to look forward to being labeled domestic terrorists by McCain too!

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  39. I for one, do not want to move. However I am tired of being dictated to by the red states. I suggest we secede and form the nation of Pacifica (Washington, Oregon, California and Hawaii...just because I like Hawaii)or as the article below suggest American Coastopia. It is funny, as the article points out that 90% of the red states are welfare states...meaning they get more from the government than they pay.

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2004/nov/09/20041109-122753-5113r/

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  40. It's not so funny...

    i was talking with my friend of 35+ years this last week and commented that we are closer to a real revolution now than when i was hoarding food and making preparations for the revolution in the late 60s.

    You know, that period of unrest that Ayers participated in and has been tagged a terrorist for...

    And where Nixon threw habeas corpus down the toilet.. and where Bush senior and that guy named Cheney got their political training.

    you would think that a man John McCain's age would know better.. but he and many of those who support them were literally not home when it all happened and most of them got their news from Time magazine...

    Who knows whether John got any news at all.. the Hanoi Hilton wasn't known for it's reading library.

    so we have men who know nothing about war waging war

    and men who know nothing about the political turmoil these policies generated in the US trying to govern.

    Not a formula for domestic peace...

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  41. bcollins
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    Jans...tired and not making as much as before. This equals suffering?

    I just want to make sure folks aren't being overly dramatic. I as well am down many of thousands. This is not my definition of suffering though.

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  42. Jo, I was only half kidding! With the reports of a brigade coming back from Iraq to quell citizen uprisings it does not leave me with a very good feeling about the possible outcome of the election.

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  43. Oooo you know what, Zenguy. I think the brigade wouldn't have to come back for angry Obama fans. When liberal hippies get mad we just stick flowers in their guns. Rednecks, however, are known to revolt when their guy doesn't win (Kennedy anyone?) I think it could go either way. Neither of which is particularly good, but I would have assumed that they were coming home to quell the angry midwesterners with their guns and religion (haaaa! ziiiing.) Oh the caffeine is kicking in...

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  44. bcollins..I suppose it would be suffering if one truly couldn't make the rent, and had to live in one's car...would that count? There are many of people out here who are just one step above that. And perhaps on top, would lose some health insurance, or retirement? Who are we to decide what is a level of suffering for someone?

    There is no second income in my household..if I don't do it, no one does..maybe we should just file it under "scary" and not "suffering"...how's that?

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  45. bcollins
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    Scary works...it conveys the emotion. I would point out that people routinely say there is suffering so why can't we ask for context?

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  46. i was thinking today about why there is so much anger this election.. and i think it is because both democrats and republicans feel they got had..

    When George didn't win his election fair and square.. and sorry guys, having the supreme court weigh in on a judicial matter along party lines as Sandra Day O"Conner says she did is not fair and square...

    a lot of anger was created for the at least half of us who didn't vote for him for some very good reasons.

    it was no surprise to us that he did exactly what we thought he would do... Molly Ivens told us what he did in Texas.. and he repeated his pattern in the White House... with assistance from Dick Cheney.. who no-one would have elected as president.

    Then he played the patriotism card while bankrupting the middle class and playing dirty politics and got elected again.. and no surprise.. things got worse.

    I am still angry at those of you who agreed that he didn't do a dang thing he said he would do and yet you voted for him again anyway. And now you are voting for McCain.

    Why? Because he's republican and everyone knows that democrats are tax and spend and republicans are tax cuts and save? Everyone knows...

    But it's not true. Have you looked at your taxes? Have you looked at the national debt? There is a huge disconnect between the rhetoric and reality.

    What were you thinking? I win?

    What you won doesn't look so good now. 8 years of irresponsibility adds up.. especially on a national level.

    most of us are not nearly as well off as we were 8 years ago.. and some of us are too close to the retirement we thought we would one day have... and no longer do.

    Promises we counted on when we made our career decisions were broken... most of us don't have the pensions we earned... those were considered part of our wage package you know... and we are lucky if we still have what we put into our IRAs.

    Our medical insurance which gets more expensive every day covers less.. and we have clerks in insurance offices making medical decisions for us based on the companies profit, not on our medical care.

    We can get cheaper and safer surgery and more current medical care abroad.. and increasingly that is where we are seeking it since we will be paying for it out of pocket.

    Times are tough...

    but they didn't have to be. I am very angry about being sold out.

    I paid my dues. I have worked my entire life. Every day i get out of bed and do what i can to make someone else's day better. and yet, each day, instead of making progress, i have slipped back just a little more on this treadmill.

    And still.. some of you don't get it. You listen to the lies and repeat them over and over as though they are truth.

    I shudder to think what it will take to make you wake up and realize this isn't just another little bump on life's hiway and we are in deep trouble here.

    People are suffering right now... people you know who are simply too proud to tell you how tough it is for them financially right now.

    Without donations from family and friends, some of the people who post here on this blog won't financially survive any kind of sustained medical problem. Even with help, some of them won't.

    Too many people just like you are less than a step from living on the streets. And we are the lucky ones.

    I am angry.

    I am angry that i saw clearly what what coming and could do nothing to change it.

    I am angry that those who have benefited most by these policies are so unwilling to do anything for those who have been bankrupted by them.

    I am angry that so many blithely deny there is a problem.

    I am angry that so many are willing to overlook justice in the name of winning.

    I am sorry if you don't like that i am angry.

    but the way i see it, those who receive the brunt of my anger are those are not willing to step up to the plate and become part of the solution...

    Those who won't even speak rationally about the problems that we are facing.. let alone hold your own president or party accountable.

    As for the republican anger... Unfortunately, the republicans blame democrats for their own party's greed...

    After all, they have to blame someone.... and they sure as heck aren't going to blame themselves for being fool enough to buy this con game.

    I honestly don't see how the divisions that have been created in this country are going to end.. unless it is with a depression the likes of which most people living have never seen... and even then i fear that the anger at "others" which has been generated will be difficult for many to overcome.

    Posted 3 years ago #         
  47. bcollins
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    Good ramble.

    Posted 3 years ago #         
  48. ZenGuy "With the reports of a brigade coming back from Iraq to quell citizen uprisings it does not leave me with a very good feeling about the possible outcome of the election." Are they really bringing troops here to quell the people here? I hadn't heard that! I'm appalled!

    On the other hand, I saw a clip today showing a crowd taking in Sarah Palin's Obama/Ayers/terrorist spiel and at least one man got up shouting about how angry he was. I think they are inciting the anger that we all feel into some kind of mob thing and so maybe we will need more troops.

    It is scary.

    Posted 3 years ago #         
  49. http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/187621/october-09-2008/campaign-personal-attacks---david-gergen

    About Palin "When she gets into whipping her crowds up, and someone yells "terrorist", then someone else yells "kill him"...she needs to rein it in, he needs to rein it in. He is a better man than that." David Gergen

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=187600&title=fox-news-panics

    "Fox News, the world's unfair, and we are becoming mentally imbalanced." Jon Stewart

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14445.html

    Panic attacks: Voters unload at GOP rallies

    I'm beginning to feel worried that we are we heading toward a civil war. Where might this hatred all end?

    Posted 3 years ago #         
  50. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf6YKOkfFsE

    McCain has trouble dousing the flames of hatred he and Sarah have kindled.

    Posted 3 years ago #         

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