Time for each side to highlight the cheating in this election.
I present to you the Black Panthers of Philadelphia who Eric Holder turns a blind eye are again working in cahoots with the local Democrats. http://washingtonexaminer.com/philly-gop-poll-inspectors-being-ousted-for-dems/article/2512714#.UJktCMXypEO
You didn't mention the Democratic Inspectors who appear to be part of the wrong doing in this article as well... just the Black Panthers. Why is it you mention the one group and not the other?
There's going to be cheating and fraud and frustrations on both sides of this election. No need to point out each and every specific case against just one side. Before this is all over I suspect there will be a whole lot of issues, accusations of voter discrimination, lawsuits and yelling.
Here we go again... the sheriffs department is in Philadelphia right now... a black poll worker threw a republican observer out and locked the door... good thing a judge was in chambers. Court appointed observers. Why is it Democrats are in such overwhelming numbers the ones being caught for voter frauds? Chicago has been transplanted.
Kootch, you're only seeing what you want to see. As usual. There's been tons of systematic disenfranchisement from the GOP since 2010. In every GOP controlled state. Defacto poll taxes via ID requirements, limiting voting periods so people who work for a living can't make vote, moving thousands of legitimate voters off the rolls without confirming if they're legal or not, etc. etc.
There's one party that wants the least amount of citizens possible to vote. Wonder why they would want that?
Kootch, if your party's ideas are so demonstrably good for the nation, why wouldn't you fight to give every possible citizen the opportunity to vote?
Maybe it's because those ideas have been tried and proven to be detrimental to the health of a democracy and the only way they get any play is by owning the media outlets, buying the law-makers, and creating an embedded plutocracy. The very LAST thing the GOP wants is a country OF the PEOPLE, BY the PEOPLE and FOR the PEOPLE...
HMCRich
OH NO!
democrats are acting as poll inspectors!
Quick! Run those suckers out of town.
who knows what THEY will do?
evidence of actual wrong doing?
kootch..
where there are democrats there is wrong doing?
it's possible.
but it is also possible that they are simply trying to guarantee the rights of those Republican are trying to prevent from voting.
if you don't want a brawl at the polls
stop pushing people around
charlabob
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Follow the link -- to an extreme right wing "news"paper that claims to present the news as no one else does.
Here's the "alternative weekly" version of the same story which explains the repug "target list of black precincts where voter harassment was planned in advance.
I'm a dedicated opposition researcher and I can tell you that the email and calls I receive from Rs and their associates encouraging me to help (or donate $ to) voter suppression efforts all over the country is shocking. I've gotten three links to this article so far this morning.
HMC, I'm a little surprised this comes from you -- you used to be one of the reasonable r's on these forums. Desperation apparently makes strange bedfellows.
I think Kootch owes an explanation for this:
I'm sure you can do so for both sides but since I'm a flaming liberal, I'll highlight the alleged voter intimidation from True the Vote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/true-vote-volunteers-intimidating-voters-17623057
We want every eligible voter to vote. Poll tax? ha ha ha.,.. those very same folks have federal ID cards for all sorts of benefits... they sure can come up with ID's when it's time for government checks! Every single state with Supreme Court upheld voter ID laws were very careful to not charge a dime for an ID. No, they did not have to get birth certificate records... another lefty farce. They could use utility bills, drivers liscenses, free sheriff and PD picture iD's... ya gotta show ID to buy cigarettes and liquor... I will take voter security anyday...and today is proving why... maybe black districts, (ACORN) enjoyed the distinction as being the most corrupt... of course that would be where enforcement goes.. where the crimes are.
kootch..
"We want every eligible voter to vote."
you sure give new meaning to the term every eligible voter kootch
Of course, Kootch, it doesn't matter to you that even GOP elected officials have conceded that in-person voter fraud isn't an issue and just doesn't happen. But that would be dealing with information you don't want to take into account, right?
Wanna' see something scary about voter fraud? Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM&feature=share
Oh, and regarding voter ID, you'll notice that many states passed those laws late enough in the election cycle to make it hard to get the appropriate ID in time. Again, the intent of these laws is clear and you don't care so...
Yes it is.. and so what's the problem with secure voter ID? I mean let's admit it... about 15% of our population consists of illegal aliens... and growing. Seems prudent to me. i like it and I support it. Ya gotta have ID to be an effective citizen...it's a red herring.
Ah yes.. and this... campaigning is illegal in polling stations... unless you are in Democratic Philadelphia.....
15% of the population is illegal? Good lord, Kootch stop pulling numbers out of your Faux News a**. Most estimates are around 12-15 Million tops and that was when the economy was good, it's been going down. Your percentage would put the total at 52 Million. With that many people do you really think they'd be begging for produce pickers in Wenatchee?
Not to mention the fact that most illegal aliens wouldn't dream of trying to show up at a voting booth.
Red herring indeed.
miws
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Oh fer chrissake!
A mural, that was painted three years ago, on the wall of a school cafeteria, that happens to be the occasional polling place, is "campaigning", and according to the chairman of the republican committee, is trying to suppress voters?!?
Yeah, grasping at straws is about all they have - at least to rational, thinking people.
Can't wait for Obama to place 2 good progressives on the SCOTUS so we can finally overturn all those inane 5-4 decisions from the last decade. Especially Citizens United and other Corporate person-hood craziness.
But you keep plugging away on those "social" issues, Kootch. You'll be railing at those windmills and further marginalizing yourselves into a 20yr. minority position.
And with that, I'm outta' this Kootchfest.
Kootchie...this one is for you:
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/romney-announces-support-for-gop-senate-candidate-accused-of-voter-fraud/politics/2012/11/05/53048
Kootchie...here is another one.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/11/06/is-voter-suppression-a-real-problem
One excerpt from this article:
Deliberate voter suppression was also suspected in Ohio, where prior to the election billboards emblazoned with the words "Voter Fraud is a Felony" peppered several poor and minority neighborhoods in Columbus and Cleveland that had not been subject to allegations of voter fraud. The billboards, owned by Bain Capital subsidiary Clear Channel Communications, were eventually removed.
an another excerpt:
In Pennsylvania, an electronic voting machine was captured automatically changing a vote for President Barack Obama to one for Republican challenger Mitt Romney. The voter captured a video of the machine repeatedly placing a check mark by Romney's name despite his repeatedly selecting Obama, causing the voting machine to be placed out of service.
And...now Seattle Times is reporting on the voting machine that lit up 'Romney/Ryan when the Voter selected Obama. Remember history...this happened during the Bush election too and more than 'once'!
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/uwelectioneye/2012/11/06/possible-voter-fraud-in-pennsylvania/
Like it or not Mike its against the law for that picture to be in the voting location. It appears to me that the City of Brotherly Love is only loving if you vote for Obama.
Hey Funkie, I believe he was referring to the mural of Obama in the voting place. Not the video of the machine malfunction...
And they should have put a sheet over the mural for the night. This isn't rocket science.
Yes Wake, you are correct. I agree they could have just covered it. As you said, it isn't rocket science. I am hesitant to believe the errors with the machines from either side of the political isle.
Color me curious..
but when did we start thinking that the mural of a sitting president that was painted long before the election is campaigning?
it seems there is a great reluctance on the side of republicans to even admit that Obama is the President of the United States...
and would still be the President of the United States today even if he lost the election ...
Doesn't matter JoB. I don't think there is any denying he is the president. It isn't supposed to be there per the law. If this was 04 and it was Bush's picture, man oh man. Just admit it should have been covered. There is no room for partisanship in the voting rooms.
Bostonman..
your assumption is that i would have said something different if it was 04 and it was Bush's picture that wasn't covered.
your assumption would be wrong.
I wasn't tickled that Bush Jr was our President... and I will admit that my nickname for him wasn't and isn't flattering..
but I never once forgot to honor the fact that he was our elected President. Even as i campaigned as hard as i could to throw that man out of office... i respected his office.
I certainly can't speak for all democrats because i read a post from a democrat this morning about how good it was that we had an electoral college this morning because without it there would have been no landslide...
i am sorry to say that i thought that young woman ... even though democrat ... was a moron.
Filtering perceived slights through the filter of partisan politics doesn't fix the very real problems that occurred in our voting process this election...
problem that if fixed would equalize the playing field for both parties.
Playing the partisan card only weakens the opportunity for bi-partisan investment in this country.
You read too much into my post. Did you not read my first line. I will put it in all caps so you don't miss it.
TIME FOR EACH SIDE TO HIGHLIGHT THE CHEATING IN THIS ELECTION.
Was that clear enough? Obviously not for some of you. Can it be so hard to understand that I posted a link that showed two sides not getting along at a few polling stations? I wanted people of either or neither side to post other possible fraudulent acts concerning this election.
I wanted examples. Instead some of you attacked like you always do. As I quite often say... I am not surprised.
I will commend funkietoo for posting links of this nature. Glad you can read and understand.
Ground Hog Day.. the movie. 6 billion later. The Republicans now control 30 states in the executive branch. They retain control of the House, and interesting, it appears, the total popular vote count for Obama actually dropped. Hold tight John.. compromise AFTER you get the cuts. Not before. Tax increases today for promised cuts tomorrow is a Wimpy burger! ( for those old enough to remember Popeye)
redblack
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rich: i can read, and i'm not going to post a link to examples of "voter fraud." sorry. "voter fraud" and intimidation are such rare and minor issues that they really aren't worth talking about.
on the other hand, rigging voting machines is election fraud, and that's becoming a problem.
anyway, i will respond to bostonman's allegation that a picture of a sitting president in a polling location is illegal and ask for a cite to the relevant law.
inappropriate? probably. illegal? i doubt it.
kootch..
"Hold tight John.. compromise AFTER you get the cuts. Not before."
the American people spoke.. and you heard nothing.
redblack
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bump, bostonman.
got any relevant case law to quote about a mural of a sitting president in a public polling station?
waynster
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Its sad finger pointing at Presidents win of course he cheated just ask the Donald and Carl Rove he tried to buy it for them...the best comes from within the GOP and its pointing at the teapublicans as the down fall and the teapublicans saying its was the old moderate GOP that did the GOP in... who would ever accuse them for loosing the senate races they should of won not the conservatives nope....wait who could it have been its, its that's right the American people spoke oh what fraud they do........ only fraud is coming from fox news and friends and all the whine they have with all that left over cheese Mitt and Paul left for them.....
Waynster..
you tell a lie enough times and you will begin to believe it yourself.
Truth.. believing your own big lie is the secret of every good con..
or more accurately believing in the rightness of your lies..
your lie is the way it should have happened...
it's life that got it wrong ;->
once you believe, convincing others is easy.
the same Republicans who shot themselves in their own foot now believe they were shot defending their country...
i doubt they will even be that much more careful what they say because they believe they are right..
although I don't think any politician in America will talk about rape as a positive context again for some time
that won't stop the groups glorifying rape from existing at our Universities though.. will it?
The political blame game is nothing more than a distraction from the very real questions we should be asking ourselves.
c@lbob
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Attempting to stop "voter fraud" is like fighting crime by stopping people from stealing bags of potato chips. Shop lifting, of course, should be attended to; but you don't have the DA stop investigating murders to deal with it.
Voter fraud is like people not buying their chips, because it is an ineffective way to get what you want.
The mafia doesn't take stuff off the shelves, they hijack the supply trucks and make the stores buy from them.
The most effective way of stealing elections is to stop people who won't vote for your candidate from voting. This is wholesale election fraud.
Paying people to vote, or pilfering a few extra for your brother-in-law is petty larceny.
I started this post because there are plenty of problems with various fraudulent voting issues. I did highlight a New Black Panther Party member showing up at a Precinct in Philly. Why? Why?
In a certain part of Philadelphia, they don't know how to vote for a Republican. Talk about a shellacking... http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20121112_In_59_Philadelphia_voting_wards__Mitt_Romney_got_zero_votes.html
That was 4 years ago...but...bring it up now like it's happening now, has something to do with now...way to go, Rich.....
c@lbob
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Maybe Jan doesn't want to, but I'll walk down memory lane with you.
After all, the Republican Party has a long and continuing determination to intimidate and disenfranchise voters, especially African-Americans and Latinos.
Past Chief Justice William Rehnquist once made his mark as a young Republican lawyer in Arizona by challenging black and Hispanic voters.
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-08-02/news/mn-973_1_justice-rehnquist
You may recall, Rehnquist had a central role in another election dispute, in 2000.
HMCRich..
just a friendly warning..
getting into the he did she did pissing match with c@tlbob is a no win proposition...
his is one of those intellects that not only stores every bit of information that passes before it but catalogs it for swift retrieval...
and I am pretty sure politics was his passion before your parent's passion produced you.
moreover... his generation was taught that the quality of one's argument is based on the quality and quantity of one's sources... and he took it to heart.
brunch with c@lbob and hubby is an educational experience for me...
and i was not only there but participating when the events they discuss took place.
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