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1. Al
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   Thought I\'d try to get a forum going about the looming and eventually current viaduct construction and bike routes. It\'s going to effect all traffic, but the city seems to have done minimal planning when it comes to routing bikes through the area (the bike route looks like it will actually be obliterated for some time and crossings will be hazardous). Hopefully, this information will be helpful and if problems are encountered by bicyclists regarding bike-specific routing or other construction problems you can list it here. I can report this information to appropriate sources at SDOT directly and the bike clubs (you can do this yourself too, if you want to). The first posts are just background information. If I find out anything at any meetings specific to upcoming construction changes, I\'ll post it here so it\'s easily referenced.

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2. Al
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   1) Bike lanes N/S will be added to 1st Ave S, Spokane to Marginal in 2008
   2) Sharrows will be placed on 1st Ave S, N/S, from Dearborne to Lander in 2008 consistent with the re-paving project. Parking will not be removed.
   3) Sharrows will be added to 1st Ave S, N/S, between Lander and Spokane St in 2009 - but not all of it due to Spokane viaduct widening project.

   Here\'s the kicker which will effect many, many people in West Seatte: ALSO - found out that NO dedicated bus lanes will be allocated to West Seattle/Burien routes during construction - buses will be required to use the same routes they currently do (even if it means the lanes are reduced to one way each direction) and no new bus service will be added. ALL West Seattle commuters are in for some huge slow-downs.

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3. Al
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   Note that SDOT has not published any bike-specific information for the Spokane Street Viaduct widening project although re-routes and construction will certainly affect the current bike route to/from West Seattle.

   If you haven’t read the entire document, these are quotes taken directly from the Viaduct replacement project http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Viaduct/library-environmental.htm \"Construction Effects & Mitigation.\"

   Pgs 93-94: \"During Stage 1, pedestrians and bicyclists would use the existing combined path south of Atlantic St. Between S. Atlantic & S. Royal Brougham, the path would cross under the existing viaduct and run along a temporary path east of the viaduct. North of S. Royal Brougham, the sidewalk on the west side of Alaskan would be closed and peds and bikes would be routed along the existing MUP. Signs would be posted to help direct peds and bikes through the construction zone.”
   During the last 6 mos of Stage 1…bikes using the bike lane on Alaskan could be detoured, as will vehicular traffic…to Atlantic, Royal Brougham, and 1st Ave S. Bikes would have the option of sharing the road with vehicles on the detour routes or using the existing MUP on the east side of Alaskan.”
   During Stages 2-4, a combined pedestrian/bike path would be provided on the west side of Alaskan, close to the existing sidewalk. The existing path located on the east side of Alaskan would be closed south of King Street…a connection would be provided to Atlantic…As in Stage 1, bikes would need to use the MUP or share the roadway…
   During Stage 5, localized lane closures would be required for final paving and striping. Bikes and peds may be detoured to other routes for brief periods…”
   Pg 96: “During much of the construction period, the bike lane on Alaskan south of Royal Brougham would be removed. Bikes would use the shared MUP, although some may opt to share the roadway with vehicles. This would increase the potential for vehicle-bike conflicts…”
   Pg 99: “Trucks traveling to and from the staging areas and work zones are expected to use established truck routes, including 1st Ave S…(referring to game/special events traffic) conditions would likely be worse during construction…traffic disruption caused by construction would also effect traffic conditions on nearby local streets. Some drivers would choose to divert to alternate routes. In particular 1st Ave S…”
   Pg 119: “The Jack Perry Memorial Viewpoint, Waterfront Bike/Ped Facility, and the Mountains to Sound Greenway Trail would be affected during construction…could include noise, blocked and cluttered views, dust, traffic delays, and congestion. Construction would make it more difficult for people to reach parks and recreational facilities and to travel within the project area once they arrive…During construction, the Waterfront bike/ped facility along Alaskan would be removed. Until the new pathway is complete, bikes and peds would use alternate routes such as 1st Ave S…people using the Mountains to Sound Greenway Trail along Atlantic west of 1st would also be required to use an alternate route during construction. The experience of bicyclists and peds on the alternative routes would likely be less scenic and perhaps less conducive to recreational (use) than existing pathways.”

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4. Al
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   Based upon what WSB posted (in July) about the Spokane Viaduct work to start in August, pending updates currently:

   ...\"Consultants who attended last night’s SWDC meeting on behalf of the city said some of the first work you’ll see will be in August, when a water main will be replaced on a section of lower Spokane Street; the first longterm closure is scheduled to be eastbound Spokane, for about a year and a half starting in fall.\"

   Detour will be
   Eastbound traffic, north via East Marginal Way to Hanford, then to 1st Ave. S to Lander to cross the tracks.
   This means traffic will be HEAVY from Spokane to Lander, the major bike cross getting from West Seattle to the northbound bike lane on the east side of Alaskan. Those heading north from south of Spokane St will likely encounter much heavier traffic.

   There\'s a map at this link: http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=7504

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5. Joan
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   THANK YOU AL! :D

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6. WSB
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   I am almost done with the latest Spokane Street Viaduct update, from the project manager\'s appearance at last night\'s Highland Park Action Committee meeting. The eastbound lower Spokane Street closure is now not going to start until approximately mid-September - the contractor \"decided to do some things differently\" and that changed the plan that had them sounding the alarm a month ago \"it\'s happening any second now.\"
   -TR

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7. Al
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   Thanks Lowman!

   Here\'s the latest link with more info posted on the blog: http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=10030

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8. Al
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   And yesterday\'s latest update (8/27/08):
   http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=10065

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9. Al
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   Whoo-boy. Just when I thought I was caught up. Just received this information from SDOT today (I see WSB has it as well) regarding the upcoming start of construction on the ALASKAN WAY Viaduct (as opposed to the Spokane St. Viaduct work). Not sure if the relocation will directly affect traffic patterns yet, but we can only assume \"yes.\" I noticed on my way home last night that the east parking lot at the corner of Spokane St/Marginal Way was being blacktopped. This is a major staging area for Viaduct work and expect even more traffic in/out of that lot, of which the bike route crosses. Watch out for a.m. traffic around that area Friday, Sept 12th. Here\'s what I received:

   WSDOT, King County, and the City of Seattle will break ground on Friday, Sept. 12 for the S. Massachusetts Street to Railroad Way S. Electrical Line Relocation Project. In this project, crews will move power lines now attached to the viaduct to underground locations south of the stadiums. Doing so will better protect the city’s power supply in an earthquake and prepare us to take down the southern mile of the viaduct between S. Holgate and S. King streets starting in 2009. Guest speakers include WSDOT Secretary Paula Hammond and Seattle City Light Superintendent Jorge Carrasco.

   We hope to see you there!
   9 – 10 a.m.
   Friday, Sept. 12
   In the parking lot on the east side of the viaduct, between S. Royal Brougham Way and S. Atlantic Street

   To learn more about the electrical line relocation project, please visit our Web site at: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Viaduct/electrical.htm

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10. Al
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    Thanks WSB!
    Closure of lower EB Spokane pushed back to Sept 16th.

    If you use lower Spokane Street from 1st eastward (usually accessed by West Seattleites getting off the Spokane Street Viaduct at 1st Avenue So.), listen up: The city has just pushed back the start date for that street closure (and the above detour) till week after next, though a parking change WILL kick in next Monday, according to Elaine Yeung:

    From a meeting this morning, we found out that we will not be closing eastbound S Spokane St until September 16th. The reason is that currently the re-paving work on 1st Ave S, south of S Spokane St is using eastbound S Spokane St as a detour route, and they will not be finished until a week later than we had expected.

    To enable the contractor to stage and mobilize equipment, there will be no parking beneath the (Spokane Street) viaduct between 2nd and 4th beginning on Monday, September 8th

    The closure will be for utility work that marks the start of the Spokane Street Viaduct Widening Project, which will double the width of the elevated roadway between 99 and I-5, plus change the ramp configuration, over the next three years.

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11. Al
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    This was posted on the WSB, but The PI is getting in on it too. Note that the city doesn't think the work will effect traffic too much, but the PI thinks differently. And, what I wasn't aware of is that the eastbound Spokane St will remain closed after the pipe replacement work is completed.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/378251_sodo09.html

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12. Al
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    http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=10361#more-10361

    I am sorry I couldn't go to this meeting. But I'm glad someone brought up the bike question. Here's what was said:

    Q: All these projects are affecting bicycle commute, this has seen an increase like it has never seen before, do any of you have anything specific to say about the route between here and downtown for bicycles
    JW: When it comes to viaduct replacement, all planning retains bicycle and pedestrian routes. When it comes to south end, when it is done and central waterfront, in the end product you will have much enhanced bicycle facilities.
    SG: The main route downtown will not be affected. The bike lanes will remain as they are.

    Not quite true. Bikes and auto traffic will be interacting more frequently and possibly with frustration. The main bike route from West Seattle directly crosses the detour route prior to Hanford, and bikes will have to merge into the ONE bike lane along Marginal/Alaska. There are no bike "lanes" just lane. The bike lane along Marginal/Alaska may indeed be shut down at times during the Alaskan Viaduct construction (in a couple years) according to the planning documents I posted above. Agreed with the improved bike facilities when it's done, provided they don't criss-cross active train tracks...

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13. Al
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    Here's a link to all the construction that will be happening in the very near future. Thanks WSB and MCA's Ms. Barker.
    Note the rapidly approaching 2009 construction schedule as well as the 2008 E. Marginal Way construction (which I was unaware of).

    http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=10371

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14. Al
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    Info about Marginal Grade Separation:

    http://www.portseattle.org/news/press/2007/06_18_2007_98.shtml

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15. Al
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    The Duwamish Bridge may be a project covered by "Bridging the Gap" - they are reconfiguring/adding (?) facilities to make it easier for bicycles to use that bridge (not the Lower Spokane St Bridge). However, finding this information is not easy since it's not posted anywhere. I'm checking this.

    More interesting information regarding construction in the upcoming years in the SODO area...

    http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/docs/FMACMeetingSummaryFinal0717098.doc
    http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/sodo_construction.htm

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16. Al
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    So far so good on the eastbound Spokane Street closure. Anyone had any problems so far? I've encountered heavier traffic than prior to the closure (both N and S bound on Marginal), but not many problems. It is trickier to cross Marginal around Hanford, so I've been paying close attention to traffic before I cross Marginal to get to the bike lane in the mornings.

    Now this is upcoming soon, the start of work on the overpass in November at Atlantic/1st/Marginal: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/381088_stadiumhwy30.html
    "Improvements to the Atlantic-First intersection include addition of a turning lane on First and improvements to the surfaces of both streets. That work is to be finished by April 1. Two new bridges -- one from I-90 to Atlantic as well as above Brougham -- are to be completed by the spring of 2010, with the entire project to be open to traffic by early June of that year.

    The work will mean restrictions on vehicle, bicycle and pedestrian movements around the stadiums.

    State project manager David Sowers said there will be construction work on the new bridges above Brougham between Third and Occidental Avenues, where some people now walk. Sidewalks on Brougham may be narrowed at times because of the work; some construction will be halted near Safeco Field on the afternoons of game days and construction will be kept out of some road lanes during rush hour."

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17. vincent
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    good work keeping info in one place AL.

    HOWEVER

    I am pissed the dudes camping out under the bridge seemed to scare away the rooster.

    lets talk about real issues.

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18. Erik
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    Lol Vincent.
    Those guys can be raucous at times.

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19. Al
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    YES - I have not seen the rooster for about a week now. I even got to hear him crow several times in the early morning. I always had a "helloooo Rooster" for him as I passed by.

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20. vincent
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    I think we need a rooster committee to deal with this *lack of rooster* issue.

    do we need more roosters?
    how do we save existing roosters?
    what is the appropriate way to prepare Coq au Vin in the winter.

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21. Al
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    Rooster spotted yesterday, Oct 1, approx. 4:45 pm. He is alive!

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22. Al
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    You may be well aware of this now, but there's some construction on East Marginal that narrows the lanes and eliminates the bike lanes/shoulders of the street just north of South Hanford street. Bikes are instructed to merge with traffic (big signs). I cannot find any reference to this construction on SDOT schedules. It may have to do with the general viaduct work, having to do with the bridge (it's the bridge portion I think) area there? In any case, use caution when merging and Take The Lane to prevent autos from crowding you. It's very narrow and you want to be sure no one passes you in this area.

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23. vincent
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    Its nice coming southbound, as they appear to be filling potholes and smoothing out the sides of the route, although its often from smooth to unseen obstacles. They have also managed to make some of the grates *more* dangerous.

    I had some pissed off cars this morning when I obeyed the "bicycles merge with traffic" signs

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24. Al
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    I'll check out southbound on my way home, and the new grates! Those are already a problem. How do you like the new blacktop over the bricks? It nicer, but I'm afraid they may be making one of those "bike lanes" that's partially blocked by parked cars most of the time.

    :-) ...just obey the signs...

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25. Al
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    From the Seattle Bike Advisory Board meeting 11/5/08:

    The new asphalt laid down on the west side of E. Marginal Way was put there to help bicyclists. The funding for this was very minimal, but SDOT is listening to bicyclists from West Seattle. Personally, I find it a lot smoother...yes, they know there is a break in the asphalt section, but there wasn't the funding to do all of it so they chose the worst pieces.

    The West side of E. Marginal should be re-striped next year. Not sure how yet...SBAB keeps referring to this as a 'bike lane' but the official city designation remains a 'shoulder.' Perhaps bike lane designation is on the way?

    If Fauntleroy is re-paved, bike facility additions (lanes/Sharrows/street calming) are being discussed. Please contact SBAB and SDOT with input! bikeboard@seattle.gov & walkandbike@seattle.gov

    SDOT re-iterated that it will maintain bike access through the viaduct construction. It looks like it'll be mostly combined with pedestrian routes, but they will have separate bike lanes whenever possible.

    SDOT appreciates the responsiveness of West Seattle bike commuters. They adjusted the routing through the current construction on Marginal according bike input (i.e. altering the obstactle course of barrels, train tracks and fire hydrants). Keep the input coming!

    Some new bike route sigage may be on the way soon...it's unclear when, but November was the month expected. If you see it, give feedback on how it works/doesn't work.

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26. Al
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    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008453786_viaductbikes01m0.html

    Hey, finally there's some press about the Marginal bike route...

    "'Marginal's margin is marginal,' says an old report by the city bike board..."

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27. Al
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    Most definitely on the bus today - streets are either solid ice or have a nice glaze on them (judging by Fauntleroy and Avalon earlier this morning). Maybe some will melt enough during the day to be able to ride again tomorrow, but that may be wishful thinking.

    Am going to try to head under the bridge this evening and leave some food (and water at least as long as it takes to re-freeze) for the rooster. I'd miss him otherwise!

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28. Al
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    Notes of interest from the Seattle Bicycle Board Meeting 1/7/09:

    *Infrastructure damage from storms. Please report major infrastructure damage (i.e. blocks of missing Sharrows, bike lane lines, dangerous new potholes, etc) to bikeboard@seattle.gov. They are reporting problem areas to SDOT. They are on emergeny repair only, so small problems are being set aside to address larger areas of damage.

    *New bike route sigage is up (if you didn't notice) around the lower bridge. Please let SBAB know if you have any comments: bikeboard@seattle.gov.

    *Improvements to the crossings on the east side of the lower bridge are coming soon.

    *The SODO Action Advisory Committee gave a quick report on their perception and how they are dealing with bikes in the area. They are adhering to the Bicycle Master Plan and working with SDOT on identifying routes. More troubling was the statement that the SODO businesses are fine with the current bike routes but they don't want to see bikes elsewhere...which to me is contradictory regarding building busisses, getting new customers, and providing a good transportation alternative to the stadiums.

    *The fall 2008 bike counts should be released soon. The preliminary figures indicate bicycling has increased about 50% from 2007. The West Marginal Way "missing link" was completed (anyone use this yet and have comments?) as well as the Boeing access route. Over 300 new bike racks were installed across the city and they hope to install a similar amount in 2009. If you know of a business who needs a bike rack, go to this site (it works!): http://www.seattle.gov/Transportation/bikeracks.htm

    *It looks like some work will be done on Avalon Way in the near future that will make it more bike friendly, so stay tuned for more information on that work.

    *There was no new additional comments regarding Fauntleroy, but I did bring up the faulty information that's located here: http://www.seattle.gov/Transportation/fauntleroy_pave.htm
    Note that it states that "...(SDOT) has already installed sharrows on California. In addition, Alaska, 39 th Ave SW and 36 th Ave SW all have sharrows and Avalon Way SW has bicycle lanes." Which is completely incorrect.

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29. Al
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    Two Asides:

    Anyone see the rooster lately? I haven't seen him since before the deep freeze. Hope he made it through...

    Watch out for an early '70s purple Dodge pickup. Had my 2nd close call with the guy this morning - he does not yield to bicycles at all. Instead of moving over to the next lane, or giving a bike room as he passes (even when there's NO other traffic around, like this morning), he will keep driving in the lane like you are not there. (Yes, I'm lit up with lights/reflectivity & riding perfectly legally). He came within about 6" of hitting me this morning. It scared me enough that I contacted the police with more information about him, especially since this was my second encounter with him within about a month. He's very scary and will hit someone eventually.

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30. Al
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    And starting in February, this will have impacts on the bike route to/from downtown:
    http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=13333

    "Brochet said that right now the biggest problem will be the closure of the 1st Ave ramp onto the WS Bridge, when work starts on the actual added lanes (which will be built north of the existing SSV). When it’s closed, traffic from downtown will have to either go over the low bridge or take I-5 to return to West Seattle."

    My question (emailed to Art) is regaring getting information to drivers that there is a major bike route they will be crossing in the area and expect bikes to be on the roadway. I would expect Marginal to have higher traffic volumes due to 1st Ave construction as well.

    I also emailed SDOT asking about the upgrades to the crossings on the east side of the lower bridge and if those upgrades will be installed before February's traffic detours begin.

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31. vincent
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    No sign of the rooster since the thaw, I would like to believe he belongs to someone and they penned him for the bad weather.

    I have seen the dodge as well, that guy is a d***

    al can you post your email in a

    name at something dot com

    format so I can send you a note.

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32. Al
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    Hi I PM'd you. Let me know if that didn't work.

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33. Al
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    Clarification to Spokane viaduct closure time line:
    http://www.seattle.gov/Transportation/docs/spokaneSSSP_web808.pdf

    4th Ave S, exit westbound: closure projected mid-2009. (No WB access and egress to & from Spokane upper roadway until April 2011)
    1st Ave S, entrance westbound: closure projected January 2010

    I suppose the concern at this point is those vehicles that won't be able to exit at 4th will exit at Marginal Way. Then they will be "stuck" in the Port loop - unable to make u-turns (well, illegally able to make u-turns), frustrated, driving too fast and not paying attention. That's just an assumption.

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34. Al
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    I'm going to be talking with a member of SDOT soon regarding possible upgrades to crossings around the lower bridge. This will provide more visibility to bicyclists in that area, especially with the Spokane Street Viaduct/Viaduct closures coming in the near future. Here's some ideas, let me know if you have any input and I'll pass it along:

    *Add marked bike crossing at S. Horton Street. Most bikes cross here, rather than at the Hanford crossing. The crossing near Horton has better sight lines, and it's less awkward than getting on/off a narrow sidewalk that only accomodates one cyclist at at time.

    *The parking entry/exits at Jack Perry Park need to be repainted and bike/ped crossing signs added for auto traffic. This parking lot is often full during busy months and vehicles rarely yield to bicyclists. When the lot is full, vehicles tend to park ON the path. No parking signs should be added. In addition, vehicles use this lot as a U-turn to head back east on Spokane street, frequently at high speeds. (Are the sprinklers really on all year long?)

    *11th Ave entrance to Terminal 18. Pavement re-striping needed, at least one bike/ped crossing sign needed. Not generally bad as trucks are already very slow for terminal entry.

    *11th Ave SW - major crossing point. Sure, bikes can travel up to the light, but must dismount to hit the crossing button (it's mounted facing the street, not sidewalk/path) and it's a pain. The street crossing further east, near Terminal 18 is easier to use. However, the street markings need to be repainted and there should be two bike/ped crossing signs here (there used to be two - one is laying on the shoulder near Terminal 18). Vehicles do not like to stop for bikes at this crossing so ANY improvements to make us more visible would be useful.

    *Spokane Street Crossing at bottom of bridge. Needs new pavement markings, INCLUDING a "stop here" line & signage. Vehicles just don't know where to stop with the tracks and the vague markings. Often, they end up entirely blocking the crosswalk cut so bicyclists/peds have to travel over the sharp curb and work around the vehicle to cross the street. The button on the crossing light here doesn't work all the time, it seems to time out a bit quickly.

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35. Al
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    Oh yeah, and bigger curb cuts so bikes can pass each other and pedestrians more easily.

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36. Al
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    I had a very close call today. I"m posting here because it's bike related. Corner of Graham & 38th. I was traveling eastbound on Graham, just past 38th. There were cars parked on the north side and I was to the right when a car made its way around the traffic circle on 37th.

    As soon as it came around the circle, it veered, and then seemed to aim straight for me heading west. Then it sped up. I didn't have any time to react, thank goodness I didn't panic and move to my left, instead full on stopping. The car passed within 6" of me, and me yelling the whole time (the window was cracked open but I didn't get a look at the driver, nor the license plate they passed so fast and it was getting dark). After the car passed me, it slowed almost to a stop (me still yelling) tooted it's horn and sped off again. It was clear to me it was a game.

    The neighbors witnessed this incident and were clearly concerned, stating "They passed a little close to you..." I stated, "They aimed straight for me" and clarified I didn't know the driver/car.

    It was a sporty type car, blue, slightly tinted windows, perhaps Toyota???? This was way too dangerous.

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37. Al
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    Received this email today regarding two close call incidents I reported, good news for bicyclists:

    Thank you for bringing this obviously dangerous incident to our concern. Currently we are revisiting various strategies in dealing with motorists that do not yield the right of way and or show blatant disregard to our pedestrians and cyclists. I will share this concern with our Aggressive Driving Unit who patrol the West Seattle corridor. If this incident should ever occur again, please get as much information regarding the vehicle and its driver as you can as this will aid us greatly with prosecution efforts. Again, Thank you for bringing this incident to our attention.

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38. Al
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    The King County Bike Maps are going to be updated soon. Get your comments in (due Feb 20th)! See link for more information at the Cascade Bicycle Club website:

    http://www.cascade.org/Community/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=13&threadid=12751

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39. Al
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    http://www.cascade.org/braking_news/2009-02-17.html Scroll to the bottom to see the survey link.

    2009 Report Card on Bicycling
    Take the Survey

    This spring Cascade will be developing a 2009 Report Card on Bicycling. The report card will reflect the results from a survey of the bicycle community, evaluating how the city is doing with respect to bicycle related issues. While this year’s report card will be specific to Seattle, we are interested in collecting
    data from each city, as this will provide valuable information for bicycle advocacy at the regional level. How would you assess your city's dedication and support for bicycling? Take the survey, your input is extremely valuable.

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40. Al
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    http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=14486

    Note that if you bike to/from West Seattle and use Alaska/Marginal, you'll be riding with more trucks. I personally have reported parked trucks blocking the bike lane, shoulders and using the center "turn lane" of Marginal to SDOT before. This could create a bigger problem for us. Trucks who are impatient tend not to yield to right-of-way traffic. Be careful!

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41. Al
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    I'll be adding info from the SBAB meeting on 3/4 this weekend. In the meantime, some members of CBC and Seattle Likes Bikes are putting together a Sharrow survey/overview of SDOT's installation of Sharrow. Problematic installations/locations and locations where Sharrows would be an improvement are being sought. If you have opinions about Sharrowed routes you use, you can either go directly here: http://www.cascade.org/Community/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=13&threadid=12862 to participate or reply to this thread. Have you used the Sharrows on California, Alki or 1st Ave S? Any input there? What about routes that could use Sharrows?

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42. Al
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    SBAB meeting, 3/4/09:
    SBAB is hearing West Seattlites complaints about gravel still on roadways, especially Marginal Way / Alaska. Keep reporting to SBAB and SDOT. Marginal should be regularly swept due to gravel along the entire east side of street from Spokane St. to Royal Brougham that regularly gets pushed into roadway, esp. around Coast Guard facility.

    If you notice any dangerous potholes or cracks along Marginal/Alaska, report them. Take note of exact location by using light pole numbers if you can. Personally, I know of two, one just south (southbound) of the Coast Guard facility and one, also southbound, in the SW part of the intersection at Hanford.

    It was noted that there will be changes coming soon (not defined yet) to Marginal and SDOT is reluctant to make changes. We should make it noted that if it's dangerous now, changes should be made no matter what. SDOT is also considering removing parking along the west side of Marginal, south of the Coast Guard facility - this would be fantastic for bicyclists since it would provide us with a "safer" route along the roadway. If you want this email SDOT and SBAB! bikeboard@seattle.gov and walkandbike@seattle.gov.

    I reminded SBAB to keep an eye on Spokane/Alaksan viaduct construction work since upcoming construction will effect bike routes. The Project Manager of the Spokane viaduct work is aware of the bike route area east of the lower bridge and they are looking at improvements to make the bike route clear to both drivers and bicyclists, esp. once the 1st Ave on ramp is closed.

    The Fauntleroy "re-channelization" is going ahead in May as planned. Keep in touch with SBAB about progress, esp. accessibility during construction and how the route is working after it's installed. Also, the Fauntleroy ferry is expanding the waiting queue which may eliminate the planned bike lane. Some discussion took place about the concern that SBAB wasn't notified about this change, and whether or not any decisions were made at all yet. Also - is a bike lane needed in this stretch of Fauntleroy? Can bicyclists use queue lane if no cars are parked there? If you use this stretch, contact SBAB (see email above) with your input.

    The focus of the meeting then shifted mostly to eastside concerns and Sound Transit / Light rail concerns and how to improve accessibility for bicyclists; i.e. get more bikes on cars (limited to two currently) like California and Portland are doing, have better and more bike parking locations at the stops, and make sure bicyclists can access the stops.

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43. Al
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    http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=14947#more-14947
    1st Ave lane closures may put more traffic onto Marginal as an official re-route option starting Monday 3/16

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44. Al
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    Good news on all the complaints about gravel on Marginal Way! I received this message from Virginia Coffman at the SDOT Ped & Bike Program:
    I have placed a call to the street sweeping crew to sweep the locations along E Marginal Way that you have identified. In addition we will be making improvements to the pavement along E Marginal Way for bicyclist in the next week or two. During construction E Marginal will be swept every two weeks.

    If in the future you need to have a roadway swept here are the numbers to call:
    Streets north of Denny: 206-684-7508
    Streets south of Denny: 206-386-1218

    And if you need a pot hole filled call the Pothole Rangers at:
    206-386-1218
    Please feel free to contact me if you have additional questions.

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45. vincent
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    I narrowly missed getting run down by a contractor truck ( F250ish) this morning. He was pulling out of the steel plant on the phone. He managed to do a no look double lane change into me, quite an impressive feat of dumb.

    I feel like some signage there for the trucks would be a good idea considering the sheer volume of bike traffic on that stretch.

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46. Al
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    SBAB Meeting 4/1/09

    SBAB has previously viewed presentations about the viaduct changes, but are particularly interested in hearing about the tunnel and the surface streets – how it’ll affect the street infrastructure and cars, and how it impacts bicyclists. This post is not only about bicycles since it impacts WS hugely, but the impacts to bicyclists will be large…it’s a long post.

    John White (JW) is the Program Director of the Viaduct Replacement Project and he spoke to SBAB along with several other members of the VRP. There is a general contact form at: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Viaduct/contactus.htm

    JW spoke about an updated transition zone on the south approach to the tunnel, between Royal Brougham and King St. There will be a temporary connection put in to keep viaduct traffic moving during tunnel construction, w/minimal disruption. The tunnel will be located under 1st Ave and emerge in the North Denny area, in S. Lake Union (Mercer St. corridor). It will re-connect the street grid in the north area (John, Thomas, Harrison). It’ll be easier to connect to Queen Anne/Magnolia/Belltown from the Lake Union area. Within the coming week or so, new images will be released to the public since there have been some recent changes.

    There will definitely be no mid-town ramps. This idea has apparently been gone “for several years now” which makes me wonder exactly when the tunnel option was decided on and by who, and what exactly we voted for. JW stated that MOST traffic originating from the South (including WS) take the first exit, Seneca, off the viaduct, then Western, and then the minority continue through the Battery Street Tunnel (isn’t this the opposite of what we’ve been told?). Referring to Seneca/Columbia ramps, “LOTS of traffic funnels off there” and is “heaviest for southbound” area. The tunnel is for “steadier throughput” for “economic vitality accommodating freight.” This tunnel is for the freight industry, not the people of the area. There will be a new Grand Boulevard built where the viaduct is now, including Alaskan. It will be two lanes each way, however near the aquarium, it will widen to SIX lanes, including a center turn lane and a wide shoulder. There will also be additional lanes near Yesler/King for ferry traffic. It wasn’t clear how this looks – JW didn’t have updated graphics for the group. The two-way couplet is dead. There will be a new promenade on the east side of the new Alaskan Way Boulevard. There will be a 30mph speed limit, the same for any city street. JW stated that there’s lots of room to work with there (i.e. wide).

    It was stressed that to help people commute to/from West Seattle that the RapidRide bus will help. Remember the C Line, taking roughly the route of the current 54, is scheduled to be in operation in 2011 – a year to two after tunnel construction starts. The speakers also stressed a “possible” Delridge RR route, but neither RR route is guaranteed at this point due to funding issues. And remember that so far, no dedicated bus lanes are planned, so any RR route will be stuck in traffic backups. It was stated that the Southwest Corridor portion of the tunnel area (including surface approaches) are focused on “throughput” rather than getting people downtown – in spite of the fact that JW had stated that MOST traffic from the south area in fact uses the viaduct to get TO downtown, not past it. The tunnel speakers stressed that neighborhoods will rely on transit and surface streets to access downtown, esp. the new Alaskan Blvd.

    A waterfront streetcar is planned as well as a new streetcar line using 1st Ave. What this does to bike routes is not clear, and the speakers did not have any plans that included bike routes, even though both 1st Ave and Alaskan is heavily used by bicycle commuters who travel to/from the south. A track makes a bike route impossible as made clear on the current Westlake Streetcar line.

    The south and north entry/exit for the tunnel will be cut and cover. The south portion will be improved for better access to downtown, reconnecting the street grid. Alaskan/Marginal approach to downtown (25,000 autos per day are expected to use the new Alaskan Blvd) will be built to maintain trips through downtown. This is another contradiction – it was my understanding that this route would be our connection TO downtown, not facilitate trips THROUGH downtown. There will be new bus service/transit options (again streetcar and RR referenced). There apparently will also be improvements to I-5 during this time in order to accommodate a larger vehicle counts. (Build it and the cars will be in gridlock again in no time! This is astonishing information and no more details were given.) The speakers stated that Spokane St viaduct improvements would improve the westbound traffic flow and improve connections to I-5 and 99 (tunnel). The new street configurations should reduce conflicts between trains, freight, autos, and ferry traffic. The new 4th Ave exit is seen as a huge improvement for those who live in WS. It was acknowledged that there will be traffic disruptions during constructions and it will be mitigated by the new transit available to us (i.e. again RR!). How transit will function is not clear at this time, but apparently Metro has $$ set aside for this.

    In contrast to the fuzzy information available about the southern tunnel area, the northern area is well formed. There is detailed street grid/traffic flow/exits/entry/downtown access/exit, tunnel access/exit, bike lanes, pedestrian crossings, etc. It’s in absolutely huge contrast to the lack of south area planning. From WS we are expected to take either the 1st Ave exit or the 4th Ave exit from the Spokane viaduct. Little access to downtown from WS is expected to I-5. From WS, 1st is the route to get to Alaska and the street grid (contradiction as this was stated to be a “through” route). We can always take the WS RR or the Delridge RR bus routes. There was NO discussion about southbound travel. All trips discussed were from the south heading north into or past downtown. How WS commuters are supposed to head south and west is not apparent if you do not use the tunnel.

    Regarding planning for bicyclists…the northern area is well thought out. There will be bike lanes, bike crossings and easy routes for cyclists in this area. There’s some concern about bicyclist/auto conflicts around Dexter, but everyone felt certain it would be worked out. At this point, SBAB asked about bike facilities planned for the Alaskan Blvd and south area. The speakers said that they currently have bike lanes “temporarily” on the graphics but that “space is an issue.” SBAB pointed out that they previously said that there was lots of space in the area, so what is the problem? The speakers started back-pedaling at this point, saying that both bike lanes and sharrows were being looked at. SBAB was surprised that sharrows on such a heavily used roadway (remember, 25,000 autos per day and with signalized intersections timed to keep traffic moving – not for pedestrians/bicyclists) were even being considered and stressed to the speakers that the area is currently a heavily used bicycle route and facilities must be worked out now, in the planning stages so bicyclists needs are not sidelined. A shared MUP is not going to be enough if the waterfront expects to have large amounts of cross-traffic, more pedestrians and cyclists, both commuters and leisure cyclists. SBAB mentioned that since most freight will be in the tunnel, and there will be fewer conflicts between cyclists/large trucks, this is a great opportunity. The speakers interrupted at this point, and corrected SBAB; freight will most definitely be using this corridor, “heavy use” is how it was put, and then “they (freight) will of course use the tunnel too…” So which is it? Is this whole tunnel/Blvd for the freight industry? Who bought whom out?

    SBAB is now concerned that there’s a lack of thought about where the bicyclists go. It’s a through route, with little turning traffic (?). But it’s the only access to downtown from the waterfront, so there will be lots of turning traffic – another contradiction noted. Pete Lagerway of SDOT’s bike program spoke up and told the speakers that the city is expecting thousands bicyclists in the area due to the draw of the waterfront and there must be accommodation for them planned NOW. They must provide on-street bike facilities and they can’t “look at it later” or there will be a bad outcome when the pedestrians, cyclists, tourists, ferry traffic, freight and motorists are combined. It was stressed that the speakers, and John White, be more engaged with the cycling community, especially SBAB, and that they refer to the Bicycle Master Plan. It was unclear if the speakers had even looked at it yet. This is a great opportunity to get good bike infrastructure in the south end and it shouldn’t be wasted.

    The speakers didn’t seem to want to discuss bicyclists in the south area at all. They repeatedly re-iterated the fact that accommodation will be looked at later. SBAB was frustrated. The speakers then went on to say that the Alaskan Blvd won’t be started until after the tunnel is complete and the viaduct comes down so that street/surface work can be done. How this effects traffic was not mentioned. 2009: replace viaduct between Holgate and King St. 2010: north end work begun – and to be finished by the time the tunnel opens. 2015/16: The “promenade” and Alaskan Blvd work to BEGIN.

    If you are a bicyclist, contact the planning group and give your input now. It’s essential since we don’t want to be cut out of the planning – this is a major opportunity to get some decent infrastructure in the south end for the first time: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Viaduct/contactus.htm

    Other information at SBAB meeting:

    A new interactive construction map is available on-line: http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/constructionmap/ you can click on a “pin” to access more information and the contact person in case of problems or if you want to comment on something bike related, or non-bike related.

    Pete Lagerway spoke about upcoming Bike Master Plan updates and accomplishments in the past year. There is an update to the BMP coming this fall so if you want to comment you can contact WalkAndBike@Seattle.gov. Note that upcoming improvements to WS include the Spokane/Chelan/Delridge intersection that’s a chore for cyclists to use. This isn’t for a couple years, but it’s on the agenda. Also slated for improvement is a bike facility on the 4th Ave bus way that’s used for airport access – this should be completed this year.

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47. vincent
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    *sigh* I am sure the south end commute will be completely ignored until someone gets killed trying to ride in traffic on the new 4th street.

    the commute from west Seattle to downtown covers some of the worst roads in the city, its great that our new ROADS ROADS ROADS tunnel completely ignores the needs of most of the city.

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48. Al
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    I completely agree with you Vincent. I was shocked by how auto-focused the viaduct group was. They had very little concern about cyclists or pedestrian issues - those modes of travel are being treated as an afterthough instead of part of a good, vibrant, multi-modal commuting system. Especially since this is expected to draw thousands more to the waterfront. I have no idea what is planned for I-5 but I suspect it may be big (or as little as using more of the auxiliary lanes?). I haven't written to the group yet, but I promise it will be scathing and press the issue of cyclist access in the area. And it will go to the mayor, the Governor as well as other bicycle groups.

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49. vincent
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    I think it should be MANDATORY that motorpool and the mayors tubby rear to have to use bicycles or alternative transportation at least one day a week, if not more often. If the mayor had to put up with the marginal conditions of marginal way, it would get fixed like a street in a seattle snowstorm.

    ( I hate puns ) ( I think I am the only one except for AL reading these. )

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50. Al
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    No, I know a couple people who read it but they don't comment ;-) I'll keep posting in the hope that someone either responds or gets P.O.'d enough to write to at least SBAB. I know that SBAB is getting more emails from West Seattle in the past 6 months...hopefully that will increase.

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