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The truth about health insurance reform "protests"


  1. Rec'd in email, passing along here
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    There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.

    The truth is, it's a sham. These "grassroots protests" are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.

    Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help. Can you read these "5 facts about the anti-reform mobs," then pass them along to your friends and family?

    5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

    1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

    2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

    3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

    4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

    5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

    It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

    Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

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  2. bluebird
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    Do you happen to watch Rachel Maddow JenV?

    Two nights ago, she put up a still photo of the "community protesters". She circled each face and listed their name. Oddly, all Republican operatives that travel to each town hall meeting.

    Last night she went through the the list of "grassroots" sponsors AGAINST health care reform. The Republican establishment put out a memo saying Democrats were being elitists again by going against these middle class average America folks. Funny thing, they are all owned/founded/run by multi-millionaire Republicans.

    It's infuriating that these are their tactics and most people take them at face value. Bunch of effin hypocrites. Half of them own medical clinics or similar enterprises and don't want to see their profits diminish.

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  3. bluebird
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    PS, the part of the bill that pays for living wills should you desire one. Added by a Republican. Now they're making commercials saying that's really code for Democrats wanting to kill Granny. Nice.

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  4. Whether you are a paid political operative or an average citizen, is it not your responsibility to stand up and speak your mind for your point of view?

    Those "spontaneous" ACORN protests sure have nice pre-made signs but every single person coming out against "Healthcare For All' is from a "mob" mentality and part of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"

    Character assassination is a game many groups employ, private public, left right but I have to admit the left has a head start.

    This is the first major opposition to something the left wants and the left has the office of President, the House and Senate. It should be a slam dunk. Senator Obama came out and said it around 2003 that he was for a single payer system but needed a Democratic President and Congress. Viola! But I see the social leftists turning against the fiscally conservative leftists. Maybe those Blue Dogs have a point.

    To get large groups of non democrats to turn out at meetings just doesn't happen that often. Many average citizens from center and the right usually go about their daily tasks and let the elected officials and lobbyists do their jobs and usually watch the "Progressives" march on the news on their tv's. This is too big to be organized but there are many groups from grassroots to political operatives who are getting involved. Is there something wrong with that. I heard how much the left used community organizers and grass roots movements to get our current president elected. Good and bad on both sides.

    Bluebird, I hope you are having a nice day. Rahm Emanuel's brother Dr. Ezekial Emanual Who is the Presidents Health Policy Advisor in January of 2009 said some chilling things about government sponsored healthcare.

    This is about problems when their is an emergency or shortages in governmental healthcare.
    "When implemented, the COMPLETE LIVES SYSTEM produces a priority curve on which individuals aged roughly 15 and 40 get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest get chances that are attenuated...The COMPLETE LIVES SYSTEM justifies preference to younger people because of the priority to the worst off rather than instrumental value."

    Bluebird ... not only kill granny but grandpa and their daughter's baby.

    How about another one of Obama's most "trusted friends and advisor" and Regulatory Czar Cass Sustein. "I urge that the government should indeed focus on life-years rather than live. A program that saves young people produces more welfare than one that saves old people" Columbia Law Review, January 2004.

    Why does the term "Eugenics" always seem to follow the "progressives"? Why should one human life be better than another?

    This is why some people are turning up the heat. They are saying slow down. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, even when it is repugnant. I don't agree with all of the people speaking out but they have a right.

    Let's say it passes and those multi-millionaire Republicans end up having to declare bankruptcy for those businesses that employ people and do cover 85% of the country. Will you feel bad for the workers who lose their jobs?

    I am a right leaning person. I currently do not have a job. I worry about healthcare for my family. I also want a rational discussion. I do not want a one party decision on healthcare. I believe all sides need to sit at the table.

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  5. operative words, HMC, "rational discussion"...what these planted people are doing has nothing to do with rational OR discussion. I don't give a damn what side it's coming from...it's not there to make people think, it's just there to drown out the discussion !! Give thinking people a break here !!

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  6. I've had a living will for nearly 15 years...nothing new about that. I get to decide..not them, not you. Scare tactics all...sigh...

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  7. bluebird
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    Democrats are not organized. That is one of their biggest problems. If they were, it would be the slam dunk you speak of. We don't all caravan around the country to high-jack local events like these paid "mobs" are doing. Everyone would argue over where to get their latte and forget what the plan was.

    "The first major opposition to something the left wants"? I think maybe you've been napping. In fact, that thought is so absurd, I don't even know what to say.

    Every one does have the right to be heard. And YES, on a rational discussion. Please tell me how paying people to shout over the speakers accomplishes either of those?

    Please tell me how the government promoting living wills for more than 20 years, to no opposition, is suddenly an attempt to kill granny?

    And last I checked, abortion is a legal medical procedure. Why shouldn't your medical coverage pay for it? If you want to talk moral and ethical implications, that belongs in a different setting. Change the law. Some people don't think birth control is moral, or Viagra. What about a breast implant after a mastectomy? Is that medically necessary or emotionally necessary? All kinds of things are subject to disagreement. A legal medical procedure is still just that.

    But I'll be sure and not have you pay for my abortion if I don't have to pay for your steak eating cholesterol/clogged arteries/heart attack, and your erectile dysfunction/foot amputation/insulin injections from eating so much damn sugar that you now have diabetes.

    I very much hope you have a good day too. Sorry to hear you are currently out of work. Hope that is very temporary and that your family stays in good health.

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  8. HMC, you wrote that these groups are "too big to be organized." I'd say that they are too big NOT to be organized. And yes, it's great if groups of "non-democrats" want to participate or contribute. They do have the right to be heard. But so do others present who want to have a true discussion. I'm reminded of the saying that your right to free speech does not give you the right to cry "fire" in a crowd.

    Most importantly, what about respect? I'm a teacher and if students who had questions or disagreed with me stood up and shouted in class, or carried signs of me with a noose around my neck, they'd be either in the principal's office or out in the street in a heartbeat. Why do these folks deserve better? Even if they are not organized, how does it happen that so many rude, boorish, and mostly uninformed people "spontaneously" arrive at these town meetings?

    I've not heard of the COMPLETE LIVES SYSTEM you brought up? Sources? What is it and where can information on it be found? I'll go google.

    Whatever it is, I read in an ARRP magazine recently that, contrary to popular belief, older people do not cost the most in health care. Many of them just get old and die with very little medical interference and what health care they require is largely for comfort and/or pain relief. The big ticket items are with young and middle aged people who have accidents, heart attacks, babies, cancer and the lifestyle illnesses. This seems counterintuitive to me, but who knows? They gave a percentage by age groups, but I'd have to hunt the article down.

    I'm sorry to hear, too, that you lost your job. I hope you have health insurance from another source. When we were on COBRA, it cost $1026/month for the two of us. Quite an added expense when you're out of work.

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  9. The headline is not quite accurate:
    Rachel Maddow Exposes "Fake" Protesters At Health Care Town Halls", but it does expose the corporate Professional PR flacks that get paid to spread lies to people like our own HMC rich.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl91YF1d3Kg

    It's a professional nationwide ad campaign paid for by the usual suspects.

    The misguided idiots who show up at these events are often the same people who, because they listen to media wingnuts, not only repeat the lies, but in a recent show of hands at an event, did not realize that the same medicare they get help from, is a government run health care program.

    When Rich brings up "eugenics" he is using a smear with a core of truth. The original "progressives" of the late 19th and very early twentieth century, did have some mangled ideas based on imperfect early genetic science mixed with racial superiority theory and charlatanism.

    For a brief look at the many and varied threads generated by the evolution of the American "progressives" check wikipedia here:
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States

    Note the number of progressive republicans involved in the early part of the century and the inexorable slide to the far right while shedding their thinkers and intellectuals.

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  10. since when do unpaid political activists equate with paid political activists?

    You seem to have no trouble indentifying ACORN political activists because they identify themselves...

    as opposed to the paid political activists who are pretending to be nothing more than members of the community whose town halls they disrupt.

    and i gotta ask...

    in what fantasy world do democrats neglect their lives and show up at political protests en mass?

    I am one of those democrats.. and i don't think i have attended a protest of any kind in decades.. though i did show up for our primary caucuses. I would bet your better half hasn't been out protesting either...

    There is not magic ... republican and democrat ... them and us. We are all pretty much just people.

    I know you hear that community organizers and grass roots organizations are some kind of socialist organizations... "I heard how much the left used community organizers and grass roots movements to get our current president elected."

    You do understand that community organizers organize people... ordinary everyday people.. don't you?
    and that the term grass roots refers to those ordinary people who may or may not form or engage in political organizations?

    There is a great them and us divide.. the haves and have nots ... that is the real them and us.

    And they have you snookered into believing they have your best interests at heart.

    As for the rest of the rant.. half truths filtered through half minds and repeated. Not worth the time to refute each distortion...

    as for those formulas you mention that you think will be used to deny the very young and the very old care....

    they are being used currently by your insurance company to grant and deny treatment at the physician level under the auspices of medically proven care...

    It's ironic that most of the charges that are currently being leveled at Health Reform by the lackeys of the insurance companies are pretty much standard practice for your insurance company.

    Including the fact that without intervention medical costs are about to become the next mortgage fraud meltdown...

    but hey.. there will be a lot of millionaires made...

    too bad the saps who are buying the song and dance have more chance of winning the lottery than becoming one of them.

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  11. TammiWS
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    TammiWS

    Wow. Seriously, there is so much going on now thats wrong in the country....why does EVERYTHING have to be politicized? I wish we could expect better but I guess not.

    I was really enjoying the down time since the election.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/tampa-town-hall-on-health_n_253478.html

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  12. "There is a great them and us divide.. the haves and have nots ... that is the real them and us."

    JoB, you hit that nail right on the head. It's not Democrats and Republicans or even conservative and liberal/progressive. It's rich and poor. The really sad part is that the haves and using the have nots and they don't even know they're being duped. And they're most likely the ones that will be hurt if they get what they ask for.

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  13. If anyone wants to pay me to do some protest work contact me through the boards. Thanks.

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  14. I haven't heard the word "eugenics" in a while but FWIW I did once upon a time interview a political candidate who was best known for espousing a full-on version of such views. He was William Shockley, brilliant inventor, who decided to run for US Senate in California in 1982 (GOP).
    http://www.boston.com/globe/search/stories/nobel/1982/1982aj.html
    There was quite the array of candidates in that campaign and I had to interview them all.

    But that's not why I parachuted into this thread. For those sincerely interested in the topic, I have just received word (will publish a separate on the home page either tonight or tomorrow morning) that Rep. Jim McDermott, who is a physician as well as Seattle's longtime Congressmember, will speak about the health-care-reform situation at next Wednesday's 34th District Democrats' meeting. 7 pm, The Hall at Fauntleroy.

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  15. Some hecklers might be amusing at that venue. Members of several unions and a couple dozen retired headknockers like me should be able to keep order.

    There will probably be enough mental health professionals there to supply emergency treatment to the "special" republicans that would show up at a 34th district Democratic party meeting.

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  16. Either spam or a really distant connection with the language.

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  17. Patrick
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    Patrick

    Situation is under the hand. Removal immediate if must and seen to. Gratuity to those altertness sent.

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  18. Thanks Patrick.

    As a reward for your diligence and parody skillz,here is another entertaining Hunter rant at Daily KOS:
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/7/762886/-Of-Birthers,-Senators-and-Morons

    Excerpt:

    It almost makes you want to cry. Between Cornyn, Grassley, Limbaugh and Beck, between Dobbs and Morris and Bolton, between birthers and "socialized" medicine but keep-your-hands-off-my-Medicare, the stupid is overwhelming. It's become a tidal wave of stupid. It's a giant Noah's Ark of stupid, in which two examples of every kind of dumbassery known to man have been loaded up to be set adrift on a sea of their own drool. It's the "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" gameshow of stupid -- loud, with big flashing lights, and on every goddamn day of the week. It's the result of drinking conservative bong water and eating the paint chips flaking off Bill Buckley's lead-encrusted casket.

    I'd be afraid for the future of our country, but I know that if these people ever actually armed themselves and tried to take over they'd all have accidentally shot themselves in the groin within the first ten minutes. Then they'd all limp to D.C. to hold a rally demanding free government healthcare for crotch-related injuries.

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  19. TammiWS..

    if you think there has been a lull in political posturing you haven't been watching either FOX "news" or the Daily Show where i get my FOX reflection.

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  20. News Flash: Sarah Palin has just facebooked her opposition to Obama's Death Committees. These are the committees formed to decide who is going to die after health care reform is enacted. They want to kill Sarah's baby!!!!!
    So now that the right wing is certain we're going to kill infants it is only a matter of time before they claim we have prepared recipes for eating them.
    This is a very old playbook but usually used in war, not in civil discourse.

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  21. is there no end to her ignorance ???

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  22. TammiWS
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    TammiWS

    Thanks Ken for the link...very good.

    JOB, the lull has been mine - I've checked out from paying daily attention to political posturing, knowing it still is going on. Call it burnout from 2008.

    Honestly I think all the news channels, esp. cable, posture. Its ratings. Fox, MSNBC, CNN - I just get too worked up to watch cable between 5-8 pm.

    I watch John Stewart or Bill Mahar for my daily dose of humor.

    Edit: Palins comments are right in line with the Hitler/Nazi rhetoric being spewed out today. Her full comment:

    "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

    Sounds similar to extermination of gays, gypies, Jews, mentally disabled.... Its just sick and offensive that the Right would stoop to this....of all things.

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  23. RubyRed1
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    Bluebird (and others): Please provide the proof that the people who are speaking out are "paid".

    Also, has anyone noticed that some of these protesters are Democrats who actually VOTED for Obama?

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  24. I don't know if any of you watched Bill Moyer's Journal when Wendell Potter was on. I would highly recommend looking him up on google to read what he has to say. This is a man who came from the inside and is now blowing the whistle on the tactics of the health care industry. You can make up your own mind, but I found him very compelling and some of the clips that were shown of the Health Care Execs testifying in front of Congress were mind blowing. This wasn't Fox or MSNBC or CNN, but PBS and Bill Moyer's. Here is the url to the show http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/profile.html if anyone is interested. He discusses tactics that he was in charge of to derail Hillary Clinton's Health plan.

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  25. bluebird
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    RubyRed1,

    I can't prove anything about the people speaking out. No one can even hear them. And those wishing to speak are indeed both democrats and republicans. Everyone rightfully has a lot of questions and should be heard. Too bad they won't get a chance.

    The people screaming and shouting are the ones who are encouraged, promoted, and organized by paid lobbyist on behalf of very wealthy conservatives. They are not grass root groups that came together miraculously. They are not organized by liberals either. To identify who they are being backed by, is not malice or slander, it's factual.

    I misspoke if I implied those in attendance are given money to stand there and yell. The people behind the protesters, are paid to rile and rally them into shutting down any meaningful dialogue.

    These are supposed to be community townhall meetings, held by our elected representatives. Open to all. I have no objection to either a democrat or republican voicing disagreement. I take issue with a specific, orchestrated effort to drown out and disrupt what is meant to inform.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct--N3hJfxs

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  26. charlabob
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    charlabob

    I think McDermott's appearance at the 34th Dems meeting will turn out differently than the astroturf demonstrations claxoned on Faux News.

    Firstly, members of the 34th know each other.

    Secondly, what Ken said.

    You gotta hand it to the insurance company lobbyists, though, they know that town hall meetings are mostly vanity shows for local pols. They were prime meat for publicity stunts by these recent "concerned citizens".

    Posted by catlbob, unaware that charlabob had logged in to his computer.

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  27. I know that most of the righties who show up here, or elsewhere, don't give a rat's @$$, but about 20,000 people die every year because they can't afford the health care they need.

    http://www.iom.edu/Object.File/Master/4/160/Uninsured2FINAL.pdf

    That doesn't include people who die because some insurance company bureaucrat denies coverage for transplants, cancer surgery, heart bypass, and a host of other expensive treatments.

    Do you want to die for some insurance company executive's bonus?

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  28. catlbob..

    they care when they find themselves unemployed and sick and suddenly find the health insurance options they counted on to protect their assets aren't available to them...

    the trouble is they don't see any parallels between their situation and those who are currently uninsured.

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  29. RubyRed1
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    bluebird: You neglect to provide any kind of proof and continue to make statements that you consider "factual".

    So, the people BEHIND everyone else are being paid? Again, please provide your proof of this accusation. What organization is responsible for coordinating this movement?

    Thanks

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  31. RubyRed1
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    catlbob: That statement is very broad, not to mention, inaccurate. That statement borders on offensive.

    I voted for Obama, but I would never consider Republicans as not caring that people die. I wonder what the Republicans here will have to say to your comment.

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  32. Well, you are just too much of a Pollyanna.

    A very common attitude amongst Republicans is that the poor are adequately taken care of in emergency rooms. That is something that is not so, and it is very good evidence of an uncaring attitude that results in DEATH.

    If they wish not to be tarred with the brush, they need only to stop putting themselves in its path.

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  33. RubyRed1
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    catlbob: Why would you believe me to be narrow minded because I am asking questions. Wouldn't that actually be the complete opposite of "myopic"?

    I am very interested in finding out the truth, I would need facts to find truth. I do not tend to rely simply on what I am told as truth.

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  34. bluebird
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    RR1, the list is really long, that's why I provided you the video link. Rachel Maddow goes through each organization by name and lists who owns/founded them, also by name. Their pictures are posted as well, along with their political/business interests. It's really easy to follow along and obtain all the information you desire.

    If you'd prefer to remain uninformed and offended by reality, I respect your choice but have no desire to argue with you.

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  35. RubyRed1
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    catlbob:I thought calling people names was not allowed on this forum.I am neither narrow minded or illogically optimistic.Suggesting such, based on my questions, illustrates intolerance on your part.In my opinion.You believe that Republicans don't care about people and want people to die. I do not believe that.I do not agree with the majority of Republican ideas, but I have no reason to believe they want people to die.Thinking in that way, I believe, is unhealthy and unproductive.

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  36. Republicans Sustain Bush's S-CHIP Veto

    http://crooksandliars.com/2008/01/23/republicans-sustain-bushs-s-chip-veto

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  37. I'm not going to do your research for you RR1. If only takes the opening of one's eyes to see.

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  38. RubyRed1
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    bluebird: Thank you for providing the clip.I'll be honest, I have a hard time watching Maddow for any length of time as she always comes across as very angry and bitter.Why would you consider my asking questions as an argument?Maybe this is the very problem that is occurring at these town hall meetings.Sometimes I notice that when questions are asked, it is considered an argument.That simply is not the case here.Obviously groups are formed to oppose the health care reform, just as a group was formed (by an average American, initially)to organize the tea parties that have been held.Are we upset that people are speaking out about the health care reform?If so, why?

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  39. RubyRed1
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    Catlbob:My eyes are open and always seeking information.Perhaps you should open your eyes, mind and heart.I am not ignorant, as you suggest.Wanting to understand every side is the responsible thing to do.Has Maddow read the entire health care bill?Have you?Maybe the ones who believe whatever they are told without any concern or desire to learn otherwise are the ones who need to open their eyes.

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  40. There is no health care "bill". There are five committees among the two houses and no single bill has been ironed out.

    Please leave off with the GOP talking points.

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  41. The town hall protests are an attempt to blot out all discussion to the pros and cons of these disperate approaches to health care.

    The Republicans are terrified that a concensus will arise, so they sabotage the discussions.

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  42. When do nothing is your stance, making everyone fear any change is best.

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  43. The saboteurs are really the insurance, medical supply and pharmaceutical industries, but the Republican Party, being owned by them (and others), are the toadies to attack. Writing out all the moneyed interests in favor of the status quo is hard on the carpals.

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  44. RubyRed1..

    You think Rachel Maddow is too angry and bitter?

    I think Rachel Maddow is a lightweight.. she gets really close to the questions that need to be asked and then plays nice and lets them off the proverbial hook...

    The republican talking heads are still talking to her.. she is far from angry and bitter.

    if you wish to see what angry and bitter looks like, I would suggest watching or listening to Sarah Plain or Rush Limbaugh or any of the current crop of FOX talking heads...

    And if you didn't want to watch or listen to Rachel Maddow, you could read the part of the transcript which really is just a list of names.

    She names names.

    But, I can understand why you might choose not to be disillusioned if you believe that the current tea party movement is just a bunch of ordinary citizens...

    because the facts in both cases just don't support the populist notion being promoted by current republican leadership.

    If you have difficulty believing any source from what you consider the left.. perhaps you would find information found on the right's own websites credible...

    lets start with the tea party movement...from one of their own sites...

    http://912dc.org/agenda/leadership-institute-grassroots-workshops/

    That list of sponsors on the left is a good place to look for who is funding this "spontaneous movement" of just plain folks...

    then there is the leadership institute who runs those grassroots workshops

    http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/

    I am sure Rachel Maddow.. as a competent investigative journalist... could provide you a much better list of names .. names that can be found on their own websites if you dig far enough... But, I wasn't willing to do that much work.

    Less than half a dozen mouse clicks gave me the board of directors of the leadership institute... the people who run those workshops for the grassroots movement of ordinary folks who have been doing the tea party thing...

    http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/AboutUS/?PageID=CAB

    Who.. far from being ordinary citizens appear to be republican conservative members of the Senate and the House...

    That didn't take much time and was sourced entirely by materials provided by the right.

    There are too many reasons to choose ignorance...

    but very few excuses in this day and age when you can not only choose to read the information yourself...

    but find corroboration or rebuttal for most claims on any number of impartial fact check sites.

    A lie that is repeated many times is still a lie.

    There was never a more appropriate application of "let the buyer beware" than politics.

    It's too bad that the same now applies to our nightly news.

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  45. charlabob
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    charlabob

    RR1 and others, here's the deal. For too long, progressives have been on the defensive. We get accused of wanting to kill Down(sic) children and of wanting to kill old people and we, patiently, explain that we don't. We get called names that have no basis in reality or fact, and we explain, logically.

    This war (and yes, it is a war) has no basis in reality. You can't roller skate in a buffalo herd, and you can't fight fire with a dictionary. So some of us have decided that we'll just point out that Rep*s want people to die and see how it works. Because, in fact, they do. And because *Logic Has Not Worked* and this war is too important to leave to pyrrhic victory.

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  46. Even if Maddow did come across as "angry and bitter", so what? I personally think she doesn't come across that way enough. I respect her for daring to tell the truth and name names, and frankly, has every right to be angry and bitter, unlike the scum who lie all the time (think Limbaugh, Hannity, Malveaux, O'Reilly, etc)

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  47. video clips about Health Care reform that you are unlikely to see on TV...

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/?e=10&ref=text

    it's a shame that we have to post this link on forums to get equal coverage.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  48. http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/1373035.html?storylink=pd

    I love the irony. A man with no health insurance goes to a health care town hall meeting, was injured during fighting that erupted when audience members began yelling about health care reform, and now he's asking for donations to cover his doctor's bills.

    "Brown told the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was laid off recently and has no health insurance."

    Karma is a bitch.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  49. WSMOm..

    ROFLOL...

    yes, Karma is a bitch.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  50. maplesyrup
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    maplesyrup

    Last night on some cable news station (CNN I think) there was a panel discussion on health care. The moderator reported that someone had been overheard at a protest yelling, "Get your government hands off my Medicare!"

    But catlbob hit it on the head- there's no final bill to speak of yet. Until there is, I'm going to withhold judgment.

    Posted 2 years ago #         

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