I am not generally into psychological profiles in elections.. but this one caught my eye..
for those of us who just can't rationally understand why Sarah Palin caused a republican bump...
this editorial isn't for sissies...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/obama-and-the-palin-effec_b_123943.html
acemotel
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"Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted?"
What a great piece of analysis! It explains exactly the ill-formed ideas in my head about this being a choice between good and evil, which may have generated further thought were I a religious (not of the fundamentalist stripe of course) person.
ellenater
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Ariana Huffington has an amazing Palin editorial there also. The Trojan Horse. Definitely worth reading... I'd post the link but it's too long and the translator isn't working right now...
Good article. I also clicked on the latest McCain ad called "Sex Education", which was posted on the same page. It is truly disgusting.
add..
it's not only disgusting, its worse than misleading... what it leaves out is essential to understanding the issue..
but there are people who will believe it because they will never hear what that ad leaves out that is essential to understanding the truth.
it was just a program to teach children to tell their parents when someone touches them in a way that makes them uncomfortable. denying children that information enables perverts..
But they will only question why we are defending that pervert...
villagegreen
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I posed this same question in a previous thread, but I think it got lost in the fray:
From recent polls I've seen it seems young women (18 to 35, I think) are flocking to the McCain/Palin ticket. Amazingly, Palin appears to be the sole reason that McCain is still running close.
My question is - shouldn't Hillary be out there in attack dog mode? Or is she too concerned about preserving the 'Clinton' brand for 2012? Obama and Biden can't really do it since anything they say about her is automatically labeled sexist by the Republicans.
It seems to me that if she went on the attack most women with any common sense would come back to the Obama ticket once they learned the truth about Palin's politics. I can't believe that all the women who have switched over to the McCain ticket are ulra right-wing religious nutjobs.
Also, does anyone think if Obama had chosen Hillary as his VP pick that that would have neutralized the Palin pick at all or do you agree that Hillary would have been a poor VP choice?
i think she is out there and the press simply aren't reporting much.
i don't think she has a whole lot of autonomy in her message at this this point... so i don't know if attack dog mode is one of her options right now... but i am sure she is pushing whatever limitations she has been given to their limits.
also i think a lot of the women who have switched over to palin are younger women with children responding to the image that she has presented.
i suspect that support will lessen as her image tarnishes.
westseattledood
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Why aren't the women of the Senate/House out on the stage as counterbalances to Palin? She is getting too much air by herself, isn't she? Why aren't these party women being deployed? I don't get it.
For the record, I am still not officially participating in political discussions :]. LOL!
One other thought....would I be muddying the waters if I started wearing my Geraldine Ferraro T-Shirt I saved?
i would love it if you started wearing your Geraline Ferraro t-shirt!
westseattledood
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If I can fit into the t-shirt (ack!) - I just might. But remember, I'm NOT a registered Democrat. Just saying it for the record. Not a Republican either.
Ok, I'm going to have to dig up the key for the trunk where the t-shirt is stored! I'm not kidding!
I will be waiting for the ferraro t-shirt dood.
westseattledood..
nonne accused you of being a democrat..
just a dude with good taste.
westseattledood
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HP -
You wanna' see the t-shirt? Come next door and help me find the trunk key! You did pretty good helping me find my cell phone the day before yesterday! :) LOL
JoB - it's being mistaken for a Palin-drone is what I have some concern about. ;)
wsdood...Palin-drone....good term...I like that :)
westseattledood
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Hey JanS -
Thank you. :)
A beautiful, confident, articulate, independent, accomplished—and conservative—woman apparently has enraged Team Obama, the mainstream media, and the entire American intelligentsia, as if they were collectively hit by a cruise missile aimed from Middle America.
When Palin talks about her present life it sounds as authentic as Biden’s showy populism came off as false.
Enraged feminists are apparently the gatekeepers for less well-educated American women, who are supposed to have 0-1.5 children not 5! Their husbands must be professors, lawyers, CEOs, editors—not snowmobile champions, union members, oil workers, and fishermen—or, worse, all in one! And unlike a Pelosi, Quinn, or Clinton, Palin, God forbid, did not rely on a powerful, wealthy husband or father to energize her career.
Worse still, she took no women’s studies class, never attended the Ivy League, and shoots moose. The danger is not just that Sarah Palin could win McCain the election, but she could expose the entire flimsy structure of doctrinaire liberalism as the hypocrisy—and chauvinism—it has become.
And as Camille Paglia, the iconic liberal feminist whose intellectual honesty routinely defies conventional wisdom said" A feminism that cannot admire the bravura under high pressure of the first woman governor of a frontier state isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit."
Love it!
JenV
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Not qualified. End of story. She's a complete and utter moron when left to speak on her own and the media (Charles Gibson) isn't lobbing soft ball questions to her. She's ambitious, and that's about the kindest thing anyone can say about her. no woman in her right mind would want her a heartbeat away from the presidency. No American in their right mind would want that. She would turn us into even more of a joke in the eyes of the world. We've suffered under a moron for 8 years. We don't need 4 more years of nu-ku-lur!
Trick
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If they're protecting "Cheney with Lipstick", then
why are they protecting her so much and not letting her do an unscripted news conference?
Let her disspell this so called "Liberal doctrine", I'd love to hear it from her own mouth.
JenV"Not qualified. End of story. She's a complete and utter moron when left to speak on her own and the media"
She is more than qualified, infact moreso than Obama is to be president.
Actually if you susbsituted in your statement above the word "she" and replaced it with "he" and then added without a teleprompter, I'd swear it perfectly describes Obama!
Trick
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Obviously you haven't seen Obama speak.
He rarely uses a teleprompter when speaking around the country.
Hence, why both sides say he's a great orater.
ok
Sarah Palin.
beautiful?
maybe in a hootchi momma/outdoor girl/ 60's beauty queen kind of way... She's definately the kind of girl the rugby team wants to hang out with...
and i am not dishing rugby players. it's my favorite sport and therefore the one i have the most experience observing their taste in women.
confident?
oh yeah...... maybe overconfident.
articulate?
i caught her scripted and edited performance on a local Alaska TV show sponsored by one of the oil companies.. a promotional piece on juneau... and a couple of her scripted speeches before the nomination ...
sorry, not so much...
Independent?
the juries out. right now it looks like she was only independent of her party when it came to rhetoric after the fact or when it came to destroying political rivals or when she reluctantly followed highly popular public opinion.
accomplished...
well, she probably is pretty accomplished given her circumstances and lack of focus on education...
conservative..
yup
If this is the woman that the conservative sector of the republican party wants to hold up as an example of it's finest, that choice says a lot more about them than it does about Sarah Palin..
and i am afraid little of it is positive...
As tonya42s latest comments say far more about her and her prejudices than it does about Sarah.
overall, a disappointment to women in general and to feminists in particular.
John McCain in 2007 commenting on his rivals Giuliani (Mayor) and Romney (Governor).
"I have had a strong and a long relationship on national security, I've been involved in every national crisis that this nation has faced since Beirut, I understand the issues, I understand and appreciate the enormity of the challenge we face from radical Islamic extremism," the Senator declared. "I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/mccain-last-year-mayors-a_n_125944.html
Not to mention Karl Rove's video berating the qualifications of Tim Kaine as a Mayor of a city of 200,000 and then Governor of Virginia.
http://vodpod.com/watch/950843-kaine-smacks-down-rove
Tonya42, I think you've lost perspective and should listen to your party's leaders.
LOL.. JT you give me giggles
JenV
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Tonya, you must have won a lot of arguments on the schoolyard. "I'm rubber and you're glue, what ever you say about Palin is really about Obama!"
yeah. That works.
take your ball and go home if that is the most cogent argument you can come up with.
WSMom
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html
Energetically Wrong
September 12, 2008
Palin says Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close.
"Palin claims Alaska "produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy." That's not true.
Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that's a far cry from all the "energy" produced in the U.S.
Alaska's share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration."
And if by "supply" Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska's production accounted for only 2.4 percent."
I love it that Fact Check continues to check on John & Sarah's make believe world.
flipjack
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Good article JoB.
Palin is being USED as a slap in the face of our nations integrity (what's left of it) and intelligent people everywhere, just what Repugs love.
The thing is, she is naive enough to not know that she is just a pawn in the workings of a huge unseen propaganda machine that she isn't even aware of.
If she makes it into the whitehouse I predict she will be chewed up, eaten alive, spit out and forgotten. It's actually sad and I feel a bit sorry for her.
Oh well that's politics in the 21st century.
Caduceus
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That was an absolute blast to read! Not just the information but the simple grasp of the English language that writer has is amazing.
I hate when people argue politics over an individual person.
"A beautiful, confident, articulate, independent, accomplished—and conservative"
She is attractive, this is true.
Whether or not she is confident we "the public" do not know and claiming as much is foolish.
Good ol' honest articulation in politics? Ha. She can hardly repeat things someone has already written for her, even 3rd graders are taught to memorize speeches.
Independent with religious stances? What?
She's about as accomplished in the political arena, as a manager of McDonald's is in a business arena.
I'm sorry but the kind of blatantly wrong things people just blurt out for the sake of their "party" is just ridiculous.
I am so glad I do not relate to any particular party. To associate directly with people who are so adamant in being so constantly wrong would just infuriate me to no end. This isn't a direct attack at anyone specifically, just me acknowledging the poor state our politics have been reduced to.
mellaw6565
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Attractive? Not to this lesbian. And who cares anyways - is she going to be **cking her way through Washington or doing government work? Oh yeah, I sometimes get those confused!
Articulate? Not unless you like listening to Francis McDormand from "Fargo" and being preached at like your mama.
Conservative? That's an understatement. Jerry Falwell would be proud.
Prepared? My AP kids could run circles around her in a classroom debate and not mention God once! And they would correctly identify the Bush Doctrine.
Independent? Yeah, she's as independent as my cat that we don't let outside. Like Palin, if we let him loose, he does what other cats do.
And Tonya? I think you don't know a lot of feminists - they are the last ones to rely on a man and his standard of living to boost their intellect or their stance in anything. In fact, a true feminist probably wouldn't argue with Palin's occupation vis-a-vis her husband - she does what she wants and he does what he wants. The feminists would argue that she spent a lot of time objectifying her body in beauty contests, which can be insulting to women in general who want to be taken seriously and reaffirming to men who only appreciate women that are good looking.
And yes Tonya, I expect her to spend her younger years engaged in things like Women's studies, basic history, geography, and environmental studies if she wants to be VP or Pres someday. Gee, I expect that much just from my kids who want their high school diploma!
Tonya42, What's with the plagiarism BTW? Last week a cut/paste from an Ann Coulter email and today a cut/paste from Victor Davis Hanson at Pajamas Media. Comment #16 is word for word beginning with his second paragraph.
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/target-palin/
It's becoming more difficult to take your words seriously when...they're not actually your words.
Caduceus
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JT is my hero.
JT...
LOL... you have far too much time on your hands... but i am really glad you do.
so we have plagiarism too?
i confess, the writing was consistent with the quality Tonya42 has already posted... so the possibility didn't occur to me.
maybe it's all plagiarized:)
For the record.. most of us write our own material here.. we even do our best to source when we paraphrase...
and when we quote we try to include the link since we figure thinking folks will want to look at the quote in context at the source..
I think that's what makes conversation here so good.
acemotel
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you go, JT
why am I not surprised? GI > GO
Trick
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*Hi-fives JT*
That was impressive and good homework!
Yes...amazing....the Emperor (or in this case, the Empress), has no clothes...way to go, JT !
JT, we buy you lunch for that one. You are the WSB goddess.
Oh man, that's hilarious! JT, get a life ;)
...or maybe head to Alaska with your skills!
GenHillOne..
if i am reading your right.. and who knows, i just got up from a nap.. you need to skip back a page to see JTs pithy post.
she caught someone lifting whole portions of text in their posts.
she really is a WSB goddess.
Ack - used the ubiquitous emoticon in hopes to relay my sarcasm, but maybe that was lost in translation, sorry. It was indeed a "high-five" to JT and a suggestion that her research skills might be useful with the any number of stories that need to be investigated in Alaska. :)
Amen. The truth in Alaska needs to be uncovered...and I hold that JT is the WSB goddess. If she wants to go up there, I will offer my services as "insider guide" to the craziness that is AK state politics...
Thank-you guys. Really. I'm touched. Something just seemed off and I don't like being deceived. Different opinions are great but taking credit for someone else's words and then feigning superiority, that's just low.
charlabob
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JT, I'm blown away by your research too; all I could do was check to make sure the plagiarist wasn't one of the folks on the right talking about Biden. She wasn't. :-)
I've posted this before, but there is an excellent blog called Mudflats - all about Alaska politics, on the scene way before Palin's selection as VP candidate. Unfortunately it seems I've become addicted. http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
Mudflats has pictures from inside the Palin rally today - my how the tv angles made the crowd look bigger on the news.
Look who has a history of hiring (unqualified) friends. Gosh, who does that remind me of....?
Have any of you stopped to look or realize, in your campaign to only smear her (what is it now, 7 threads?), that she actually is more centered than conservative? At least, has a voting record that illustrates such?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-11-palin-cover_N.htm
And, remember, this is from an extremely liberal news source.
NR...I'll give you my opinion on her....she can be centered, she can be conservative, she can even lean a little to the left of center...I really don't care. In my opinion, she simply is not qualified...her interview with Charles Gibson this week cemented that opinion for me. And I'm sure those who liked her going into that interview thought she was brilliant. So..I guess we see what else comes out, huh. We, as a people, have to quit relying on the media and opinion pieces and start thinking for ourselves. Go where the facts are, and then form our own opinions, not quote someone else's incessantly. Time to get back to issues that this country is facing. Just an opinion :)
JanS - You, of course, think she is unqualified, yet believe that Obama is perfectly qualified to be President.
If you cannot see the hypocrisy in this, I cannot help you.
acemotel
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It's ludicrous to compare Palin (I can see Russia) to Obama. If you think there's any comparison between a community college graduate and an attorney who studied at Columbia University and Harvard Law School; someone who never left the United States with someone who lived his life in a multicultural environment; someone who doesn't know Iran from Oman or preemptive strike from striker brigade with someone well versed in the global economy; just for starters, well, god help you.
OMG Palin dead ringer on SNL! and just as ignorant too.
Thank you Ace.
And for me, it's not even so much about "qualifications" - on either side. Those can just as easily be a list on a piece of paper. Being in government for a long time is not everything - whether you are John McCain or Joe Biden. Obviously, we've seen it can also be a detriment. McCain himself recently said "It's easy for me to go to Washington and, frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have."
It's about what what you've accomplished, what you believe in, how you carry yourself, what you've given back to the community and the people you surround yourself with.
Damn! Missed the opening of SNL...thank goodness for YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBFk9XC3YLs
NR, for months you went on about Obama's association with Rev. Wright. Pretty much stating you could never trust any one who identifies so closely with an America hater. Also insisting you would not keep someone in your life unless you shared some of the same beliefs. Proof, apparently to you, that Obama must hate America too.
TheHouse went on to say, he wouldn't care if it was his own parents who made anti-American statements, he would get on national TV and denounce them as crazy. Then we have this:
"Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, said Todd Palin twice registered under the Alaskan Independence Party — in 1995 and 2000. Some members of the party have advocated secession from the United States, though that is not a goal listed in the party's platform."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26524024/
Joe Vogler, founder of the AIP:
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
At another point, Volger advocated renouncing allegiance to the United States. In the course of denouncing Federal regulation over land, he said:
"And then you get mad. And you say, the hell with them. And you renounce allegiance, and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life to Alaska."
I'm not hearing a peep from conservatives about the seemingly close relationship between Sarah Palin and her America hating husband. No renouncing of him or his beliefs. In fact, she gave the welcoming speech at this years AIP conference.
I think there's enough hypocrisy in the air to go around for everyone.
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