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  1. kootchman
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    They sure think things through don't they? So much for volunteerism and taking care of our own. This city builds obstacles not bridges.t he city logic is mind boggling. Dare I say "stupid"? The feeding program came out of need... do they think the need will go away by starving the poor to submission? I believe they do. The root cause remains. Wait.... maybe the city will find a way to tax the value of the food donations.

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Seattle-trying-to-shut-down-food-program-for-homeless-137450068.html

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  2. I saw this last night...and the first thing that came to mind is "why?" And then I thought...well, it's easier to hide the fact that we have so many hungry, homeless people if everything is kept indoors, away from sight. Outdoors? Not so much. And the city won't even give them time to find a place? Seriously? I shake my head...it seems to be another lesson in PC-ness. We need to direct comments to the powers that be, not each other. I will do just that !

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  3. As the story linked above explains, the City is trying to shut down Operation Sack Lunch, which is one of the services that Nickelsville depends on. According to the article, the City wants everyone to eat their lunch indoors.

    Human Services Department spokesman David Takami says a more controlled, indoor environment would not only get the homeless out of the elements, but would better allow outreach workers to connect with them one-on-one. However, no indoor facility has been identified yet.

    This is a totally backasswards approach. Obviously the City would have better grounds for shutting down OSL if they were actually offering some indoor alternative. But as the piece points out, ". . . no indoor facility has been identified."

    It's the same deal with shelters. The City says it doesn't want homeless people living outdoors at places like Nickelsville, but when you ask them where the Nickelodeons should live instead, they can't give you a good answer beyond "churches" or "the Fire Station."

    Note: We are now six years into the "10-year Plan to End Homelessness." And counting.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  4. OSL is a top-notch organization.

    They have also delivered hot lunches to Nickelsville every Monday through Friday for the last six months.

    The food is nutritionally balanced, for the most part tasty, and quite often downright delicious.

    OSL strictly follows Health Department protocols, including checking the temperature of each applicable food item just before it's served, and logging it in to a notebook.

    This is a bunch of crap, on the City's part.

    Mike

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  5. kootchman
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    I don't give them that much credit.... they just reflexively grab for authority and control... it's the Seattle way. I rest my case. The city doesn't want solutions, they want "their solutions" preferably with a bunch of new hires and a tax to support it. Makes them nervous when the populace gets involved...we may actually hold them accountable and ask questions like " why do we build things like the Paul Allen Choo Choo train aka SLUT, which seems to hit or be hit once a month, for hundred of millions of dollars, which can't meet operating costs...and is a diversion of so much money... why do we do that AND not feed and clothe? You and JoB think more taxes will do the trick... and I say, how about some PRIORITIES first. Tell me you have covered the basics first... not little green bicycle boxes painted on the street in a city where we have been riding bicycles for 30 years without them just fine..... let's see.... paint a little green box or feed people.... hard, hard choice... let's go with painting green boxes!

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  6. kootchman
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    Could it be all of the WS cohorts in this blog are starting to get a "do useless things" city council nervous? Too much "democracy" and citizen participation? Too many people going to N'ville and wondering .. WTF is this all about? What next? A health department ban on distributing used clothing? A moral outrage triumphs laws a regulations everytime. Who would sign a pledge, telling the city council we will not vote for any city council incumbent who does not find an immediate interim solution to Nville, regardless of party affiliation? Think 1200 signatures would do the trick? 2000? That;s enough to tip the balance. Time to gore some sacred cows. Dave Takami being one of them...

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  7. BTW, Kootch, thanks for posting this.

    Here's an e-mail, I just fired off to Human Services Director Danette Smith (danettesmith@seattle.gov):

    Dear Ms. Smith,

    I am writing to strongly encourage your Department to reconsider the decision that would force Operation Sack Lunch to discontinue their outdoor feeding program, that provides healthy, nutritionally balanced meals to some of Seattle's homeless population.

    Although I have never been to that location, I have been a resident of Nickelsville from May of last year, until very recently, where I have had to seek an alternative due to health issues.

    Back on point, OSL has provided hot lunches to the residents of Nickelsville, every Monday though Friday, for the last six months.

    These meals are nutritionally balanced, and OSL strictly follows Health Department protocols. Upon delivery of the meals to the Camp, the OSL Representative checks the temperature of applicable food items, and it is logged into a notebook, and initialed by the OSL Rep, and one of Nickelsville's Camp elected Kitchen Co-Ordinators.

    At least one Kitchen Co-Ordinator must among the Resident Servers of the meal. The Severs must use hand sanitizer before serving, and then glove up and wear a hair net. The meals must be served up on OSL provided plates, no Residents' personal plates allowed. Seconds must be served on a fresh plate. Only the Servers that day are allowed to dish up the food. Residents being served are not allowed to dish up/grab food themselves.

    Any leftover food is taken back to the OSL kitchen for disposal, so as not to have any potential food borne illness concerns, from leftovers that may not be properly stored in Camp.

    I have no doubt that they follow similar, strict protocols at the freeway location.

    In these tough times, with drastic cuts in services, Seattle's homeless population has it even tougher than usual. Forcing OSL to discontinue this tremendous operation could be disastrous to these Human Beings.

    Not all, and in fact, likely most of Seattle's homeless population don't have the "luxury" of a relatively safe, supportive community that Nickelsville and some other organized communities offer. Taking away this option for at least one decent meal a day, could not only be highly detrimental to these people's physical health, but to their emotional health as well.

    Thank you for your time.
    Mike Stahl
    206-xxx-xxxx

    I'd appreciate, and encourage others to do the same.

    Mike

    ETA: I screwed up, thinking that Mr. Takami was the HSD Director. Turns out he's the Spokesperson. I sent a copy of the e-m to the actual Director, Danette Smith, and have reflected the changes above.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  8. munchkin22
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    munchkin22

    Mike; We'll write the same
    Kootchman: We'd sign that pledge in a heartbeat.
    But.....we probably wouldn't have supported them anyway.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  9. metrognome
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    you might want to read Danny Westneat's column before jumping to too many more conclusions about the city's intentions:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2017263749_danny18.html

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  10. Well, my e-m to Ms. Smith bounced back for lack of a dot.

    Correct addy:

    dannette.smith@seattle.gov

    Mike

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  11. I don't know what's going on.

    The last one bounced back as well.

    Mike

    ETA: Well, hopefully third time's the charm.

    Turns out there are two "n"'s in Ms Smith's name, I only had one. e-mail addy in the post immoderately above this one has been corrected.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  12. Just read this thread last night. Have to catch up on this issue but - so would Nickelsville operations be affected or not? Somebody just sent me a link to a radio editorial about it, and mentioned that West Seattleite Marty Riemer is apparently on OSL's board. - TR

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  13. Jiggers
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    Jiggers

    I once in awhile eat under the bridge in town on 7th and Columbia. The area they use is overrun by pigeon poooh. You have to stand in line with all the other bums like me. Yes there is druggies, alcoholics you name it they eat there. Funny thing is I never got sick eating food the church group servs there. I did get food poisoning in a well known restaurant about 6 years ago here though go figure. Just watch out and don't step on the pigeon poop. Free food when you only have so much cash and foodstamps on you. Beggers can't be choosey.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  14. TR, I don't know if it would affect NV, or not.

    Two scenarios, I'm imaging, in which it would, are if the City wants to shut the entire program down. Or, just with being forced to cease the freeway feeding program, it wouldn't be viable for OSL to continue to provide meals for NV.

    Mike

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  15. whether this affects Nickelsville or not...
    this is not a good thing

    there is a reason this lunch program feeds so many

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  16. Betty T
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    miws
    My computer doesn't recognize the danette email address for some reason.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  17. Hi Betty.

    Did you try this one from my updated post #11?

    dannette.smith@seattle.gov

    Apparently I finally got it correct, as it didn't bounce back this time! (Unless it got stuck in the snow! ;-) )

    Thanks to you, and everyone else that is contacting the City in regards to this, and sorry for all of the mistakes and confusion!

    Mike

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  18. kootchman
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    I read the link metrognome. One, for reasons I don't understand, many do not feel comfortable going to designated "feeding zones" . Second, in my misspent youth Idid a stint a church run soup kitchen, transportation and mobility is an issue. There is enough stress to not have to plan an entire day around getting to an approved food station. Sorry, man, I think the city is wrong, wrong, on this one. It's working, it does a good thing.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  19. kootch ..

    the current site is sort of a designated feeding zone which allows for the greatest efficiency for the meal programs that deliver food there ..

    so a specified site for meal delivery is not the problem.

    it would be good to give the city's homeless more access to social services...

    but i still don't think it's in the best interests of those who live on our streets to dismantle a program that is working to provide something that might not.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  20. kootchman
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    I read the rationale...the sites as they are now have multiple stops and locations. Maybe the city should take a hint from OSL and also go to the clients they serve? Rather, they are supposed to serve. How many indoor locations does the city plan on having to service a de-centralized homeless condition? As I read OSL home page... they have 15 locations to provide their service. This makes as much sense as telling the Haiti victims to go to San Diego for assistance. They go where the need is.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  21. waterworld
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    waterworld

    I think we should be clear about what's at issue. The City is proposing to shut down Operation Sack Lunch's downtown "outdoor meal site," the one under I-5 at Sixth and Columbia. None of OSL's other activities are being threatened by the City -- at least not directly.
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    Of course it's an insane idea nonetheless. Providing healthful meals outside is precisely what has made OSL successful in its mission, which is to feed people, not to bring them all into a building for an hour or to generate opportunities for social service providers to meet their clients without actually going outside themselves.
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    So here is what Dannette R. Smith has to say for herself today:

    http://tinyurl.com/operationsacklunch

    The good news is that the threat to shut down the outdoor meal site has been temporarily averted. As for the rest, it's better to read it yourselves than for me to paraphrase.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  22. waterworld...

    i would say the city got quite a public response to the possibility of shutting down that Operation sack lunch program...

    but am glad to hear that they will work with operation Sack lunch to continue to service that population...

    unfortunately, you will always find the homeless at sites that aren't "ideal"

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  23. waterworld
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    waterworld

    Oh yes, the city definitely got a response, it seems. I don't know how many emails and calls the City received directly, but just the comments posted on places like the Stranger and the Seattle Times were pretty intense. I don't think many people cared for Ms. Smith's attitude.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  24. metrognome
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    the city has just issued a press release that it will not move Operation: Sack Lunch by the previous deadline. The release is worth reading as it contains a lot of detail that I didn't see in earlier media reports.

    http://mayormcginn.seattle.gov/continuing-our-work-to-help-the-hungry/

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  25. metrognome..

    i think you posted the same link as waterworld :)

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  26. According to Operation Sack Lunch via their web site - http://www.opsacklunch.org/ - as of 01/19/12:

    "Ms. Smith has not accepted our invitation to serve with us at the site, nor will she speak with the people whom she will be denying lifesaving food."
    .
    According to the City of Seattle press release on 01/18/12:

    "We remain willing to work with OPERATION: Sack Lunch and the 14 other organizations that provide outdoor meals to find the best way to feed those who are in need.
    .
    Dannette R. Smith"
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    http://mayormcginn.seattle.gov/continuing-our-work-to-help-the-hungry/
    .
    WHAT does "work with" really mean??? Sounds more like "my way or the highway" which others have already described.
    .
    Does Dannette Smith think that after 17 years of successful operation by OSL that SHE suddenly has a better solution???
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    I say - send this woman back to Atlanta - where she originally came from!
    .

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  27. There seems to have been a break in the story. Our page "follows" the OSL page on FB (I think I first heard of them when covering the Nickelsville City Council visit months ago and probably plugged into their page then) ...and this link was posted about an hour ago, re: a reprieve

    http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Thank-you-for-your-support.html?soid=1108624497792&aid=PdNDkS7lXFs

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  28. Jiggers
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    Jiggers

    She's another bad decision that Mayor McGinn has made. She is noting more than a numbers cruncher pushing her pen for the City. I can tell her were to put that pen. She's not part of the solution.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  29. thanks WSB...
    glad to know that OSL will have a voice in deciding the outcome of this successful program

    Posted 4 months ago #         

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