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Sensible Washington Money Bomb: An Urgent Call to Action

  • Started 11 months ago by thedarby
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  1. thedarby
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    Sensible Washington Money Bomb: An Urgent Call to Legalize Cannabis in 2011! http://www.sensiblewashington.org

    The pressure to legalize cannabis and change the political landscape across the nation has fallen squarely on us here in Washington State in 2011. With that pressure, we refuse to accept failure and are inclined to do what is necessary in order to ensure that the devastating effects of prohibition are put to an end. In our second year as an entirely volunteer-driven, non-profit and indisputably grassroots campaign, we have entered a phase in which we need funding to make our way through the corporate-driven maze that our initiative process has become. With proper funding, we can assure we make the ballot this November, where all polls have shown the sensible voters of Washington State will vote to put an end to prohibition – a failed policy that among being a civil rights disaster has resulted in us putting the state’s largest cash crop underground, refusing to legitimize an industry that would generate thousands of jobs and billions of dollars throughout the state and the nation.

    This week, we’re putting out an urgent call to all organizations and individuals who believe in this cause; that cannabis should be a legal substance. It’s both a medicine and a safe recreational choice that, despite years of propaganda, has no lethal dose. For those who understand the necessity of legalization, we call upon you to donate whatever you can to get Initiative 1149 – which ends criminal and civil penalties for adults – on the November ballot. We have a strong, dedicated and extremely proud group of volunteers that have put us in a position to win, but with your help we can augment our gatherers with paid professionals, assuring cannabis legalization in Washington has a better chance of becoming reality. Initiative 1149 offers up an opportunity unlike any other we’ve seen in recent years, a chance for true reform, and this is our chance to make a difference. However we need the help of everyone. The importance of achieving legalization in even one state and what that means for future attempts cannot be overstated.

    With this call, we are holding a Sensible Washington Money Bomb starting on Wednesday June 8th and running through Wednesday, June 15th, with the help and sponsorship of National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), Seattle Hempfest, Tacoma Hempfest, and the Cannabis Freedom March. We can’t afford to wait another year and let this issue remain dormant as the federal government continues to wage war on non-violent citizens. We must take action. We strongly appreciate anything and everything you can do to help, and you can donate to us directly on our website.

    This is the year that real reform can happen, but only if that reform is given a chance to work. Please help our cause. A win in Washington State is a win for anyone who believes in a future where cannabis prohibition is nothing but a distant memory.

    Thank you,
    Sensible Washington

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  2. "The state's largest cash crop" ?

    —Really? That's disturbing. Didn't we used to grow some wheat and potatoes and stuff around here?

    But then, I suppose Kentuckians brag about how much bourbon they sell, too. Legal and otherwise.

    But suppose this claim is true and pot is Washington's #1 cash crop. What will happen to that status once it's legalized and anyone can grow it in their basement or back yard? Won't the bottom drop out of the market? Will we have to start exporting to Idaho to make up the difference? If so, what will Idaho have to say about that?

    Hey, I'm not shedding any tears for pot distributors, but by the same token, it seems kind of bogus for thedarby to be using them to make points either, since they would actually be hurt by legalization.

    Anyway, I'll give you this much darbs . . . At least you're not hiding behind the "marijuana is just medicine" rhetoric any more. I respect pot advocates like you for just coming out and saying it: We smoke pot just for the fun of it. We want full legalization now!

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  3. 365Stairs
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    365Stairs

    Is someone making popcorn? I'm hungry all of a sudden..

    Just reading the OP...

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  4. Don't wait for darbs to make you any popcorn, 365. I'm sure he/she is too busy flitting about the Blogosphere to alight on any particular toadstool.

    Unless he shows up again, I shall consider him a troll. A harmless one, mind you, but a troll nonetheless.

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  5. maplesyrup
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    maplesyrup

    thedarby (aka Darby) has been on the blog/forums before. Not a troll.

    But DP, sure, having pot illegal at the federal level is keeping the prices higher than they should be. But if it were legal, just because people could grow it in their basement doesn't mean they would. It's the same reason not everyone grows their own tobacco or tomatoes or brews their own beer.

    Further, growing good pot requires some experience, scientific knowledge and special equipment. I would bet money that the majority of stoners are going to opt for the convenience of getting their pot from whatever retailer sells it.

    And wait, there's more! The bottom's not going to fall out of the price, but even if the price falls, we'd be getting tax money on whatever legal sales occur, as opposed to nothing at the moment.

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  6. thedarby
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    I like visiting Fremont's Troll. That's as close to me being a troll. Here it is, My name I Darby, I'm West Seattle's coordinator for Sensible Washington. I'm a real person with real fear that prohibition is killing our society. I have a civil and moral obligation to inform others that there is an option to end the madness. I don't get paid, none of us do. This is a bottoms up grass roots campaign. Yup Maplesyrup is right I have been around the forums before spreading truth about marijuana. Please if you or any one you know would like to help please email me sensiblewestseattle@gmail.com or can also find me at http://www.facebook.com/SensibleWestSeattle our mama fb page is http://www.facebook.com/sensiblewashington

    oh and I didn't write the action alert, it took it from our site http://www.sensiblewashington.org

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  7. bebecat
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    Uh "real fear that prohibition is killing our society" isn't that a little dramatic?

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  8. anonyme
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    thedarby has made a lot of wild claims on the WSB (just reference his posts re: "medical marijuana: 2 signs"). This kind of rabid hype does nothing to help his cause. In fact, fanatical ravings of this nature have served in recent weeks to alter my stance from one of pro-MMJ and legalization to one of a much, much more guarded nature.

    The assertion that weed is less harmful than alcohol or other mind-altering drugs misses the bigger picture. A stoned society is not a healthy one, regardless of the drug of choice.

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  9. Darby, you have my respect for coming back and my apologies for insinuating that you were a troll. Your recent posts do have some hallmarks or trollism (that's trollism, mind, not troilism), but I see that you are indeed real and up for a debate. Good.

    I won't go as far as anonyme and say that I've changed my stance. I'm still pro-MMJ. I don't even have that much of a problem with recreational use, actually, as long as it's truly recreational, and not satisfying some need for a fix.

    I agree with some people that MJ is no worse than alcohol in some ways. In fact, it's probably better than alcohol in many ways. But that still doesn't exactly make it good in my view. However, that's the way you're treating MJ, Darby — as if it's purely a good thing.

    For MJ to be purely good, there would have to be no bad side to it. But in fact, there are some bad things about it.

    Bad Thing 1: It's addictive

    Bad Thing 2: It can be a gateway drug.

    Bad Thing 3: Like gambling, it's associated with crime and criminals, even where it's legal.

    Even the so-called positive effects I'm not exactly thrilled about, and on this I'm right with anonyme. MJ proponents say that pot mellows you out. Well it seems to me like people are already too effing apathetic about the situation this country is in. The last thing I want to do is hand the country a joint and say: "Here, dude. Mellow out!"

    People don't need to be any mellower. What they need, as my grandpa used to say, is "a good kick in the pants." (But see my remarks below.)

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    maple: Well said, my man. I would be willing to do some horse trading on this one. I might support legalization in exchange for a robust taxation program that funds treatment programs for addicts and pays for public service announcements and outreach programs that warn people about the dangers of the drug.

    But legalization without anything in return?
    Uh-uh.

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  10. thedarby
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    Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose. According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, "The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. ... It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat ... than alcohol or tobacco." http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7305

    Marijuana's therapeutic uses are well-documented in modern scientific literature. The studies indicate that marijuana provides symptomatic relief for a number of medical conditions, including nausea and vomiting, stimulating appetite, promoting weight gain, and diminishing intraocular pressure from glaucoma. There is also evidence that smoked marijuana and/or THC reduces muscle spasticity from spinal cord injuries and multiple sclerosis, and diminishes tremors in multiple sclerosis patients. Patients and physicians have also reported that smoked marijuana provides relief from migraine headaches, depression, seizures, insomnia and chronic pain, among other conditions.

    Reference materials on marijuana as medicine:http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3472

    the only association it has with crime IS PROHIBITION he is how: Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.

    The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You’ll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.

    You’ll also see that the history of marijuana’s criminalization is filled with:

    Racism
    Fear
    Protection of Corporate Profits
    Yellow Journalism
    Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
    Personal Career Advancement and Greed
    These are the actual reasons marijuana is illegal.
    Background

    For most of human history, marijuana has been completely legal. It’s not a recently discovered plant, nor is it a long-standing law. Marijuana has been illegal for less than 1% of the time that it’s been in use. Its known uses go back further than 7,000 B.C. and it was legal as recently as when Ronald Reagan was a boy.

    The marijuana (hemp) plant, of course, has an incredible number of uses. The earliest known woven fabric was apparently of hemp, and over the centuries the plant was used for food, incense, cloth, rope, and much more. This adds to some of the confusion over its introduction in the United States, as the plant was well known from the early 1600′s, but did not reach public awareness as a recreational drug until the early 1900′s.

    America’s first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law “ordering” all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other “must grow” laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender (you could even pay your taxes with hemp — try that today!) Hemp was such a critical crop for a number of purposes (including essential war requirements – rope, etc.) that the government went out of its way to encourage growth.

    The United States Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp “plantations” (minimum 2,000-acre farm) growing cannabis hemp for cloth, canvas and even the cordage used for baling cotton.

    The Mexican Connection

    In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. The revolution in Mexico in 1910 spilled over the border, with General Pershing’s army clashing with bandit Pancho Villa. Later in that decade, bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.

    One of the “differences” seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing “preparations of hemp, or loco weed.”

    However, one of the first state laws outlawing marijuana may have been influenced, not just by Mexicans using the drug, but, oddly enough, because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church’s reaction to this may have contributed to the state’s marijuana law. (Note: the source for this speculation is from articles by Charles Whitebread, Professor of Law at USC Law School in a paper for the Virginia Law Review, and a speech to the California Judges Association (sourced below). Mormon blogger Ardis Parshall disputes this.)

    Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.

    When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator’s comment: “When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff… he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies.” In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”

    Jazz and Assassins

    In the eastern states, the “problem” was attributed to a combination of Latin Americans and black jazz musicians. Marijuana and jazz traveled from New Orleans to Chicago, and then to Harlem, where marijuana became an indispensable part of the music scene, even entering the language of the black hits of the time (Louis Armstrong’s “Muggles”, Cab Calloway’s “That Funny Reefer Man”, Fats Waller’s “Viper’s Drag”).

    Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: “Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice.”

    Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the “assassins.” Early stories of Marco Polo had told of “hasheesh-eaters” or hashashin, from which derived the term “assassin.” In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler’s garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler’s wishes with cool, calculating loyalty.

    By the 1930s, the story had changed. Dr. A. E. Fossier wrote in the 1931 New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal: “Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp.” Within a very short time, marijuana started being linked to violent behavior.

    Alcohol Prohibition and Federal Approaches to Drug Prohibition

    During this time, the United States was also dealing with alcohol prohibition, which lasted from 1919 to 1933. Alcohol prohibition was extremely visible and debated at all levels, while drug laws were passed without the general public’s knowledge. National alcohol prohibition happened through the mechanism of an amendment to the constitution.

    Earlier (1914), the Harrison Act was passed, which provided federal tax penalties for opiates and cocaine.

    The federal approach is important. It was considered at the time that the federal government did not have the constitutional power to outlaw alcohol or drugs. It is because of this that alcohol prohibition required a constitutional amendment.

    At that time in our country’s history, the judiciary regularly placed the tenth amendment in the path of congressional regulation of “local” affairs, and direct regulation of medical practice was considered beyond congressional power under the commerce clause (since then, both provisions have been weakened so far as to have almost no meaning).

    Since drugs could not be outlawed at the federal level, the decision was made to use federal taxes as a way around the restriction. In the Harrison Act, legal uses of opiates and cocaine were taxed (supposedly as a revenue need by the federal government, which is the only way it would hold up in the courts), and those who didn’t follow the law found themselves in trouble with the treasury department.

    In 1930, a new division in the Treasury Department was established — the Federal Bureau of Narcotics — and Harry J. Anslinger was named director. This, if anything, marked the beginning of the all-out war against marijuana.

    Harry J. Anslinger

    Anslinger was an extremely ambitious man, and he recognized the Bureau of Narcotics as an amazing career opportunity — a new government agency with the opportunity to define both the problem and the solution. He immediately realized that opiates and cocaine wouldn’t be enough to help build his agency, so he latched on to marijuana and started to work on making it illegal at the federal level.

    Anslinger immediately drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to the problem he wanted to create. He also promoted and frequently read from “Gore Files” — wild reefer-madness-style exploitation tales of ax murderers on marijuana and sex and… Negroes. Here are some quotes that have been widely attributed to Anslinger and his Gore Files:

    “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

    “…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

    “Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

    “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

    “Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

    “You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

    “Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

    And he loved to pull out his own version of the “assassin” definition:

    “In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs’ ‘hashashin’ that we have the English word ‘assassin.’”
    Yellow Journalism

    Harry Anslinger got some additional help from William Randolf Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers. Hearst had lots of reasons to help. First, he hated Mexicans. Second, he had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn’t want to see the development of hemp paper in competition. Third, he had lost 800,000 acres of timberland to Pancho Villa, so he hated Mexicans. Fourth, telling lurid lies about Mexicans (and the devil marijuana weed causing violence) sold newspapers, making him rich.

    Some samples from the San Francisco Examiner:

    “Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days — Hashish goads users to bloodlust.”

    “By the tons it is coming into this country — the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms…. Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him….”

    And other nationwide columns…

    “Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug.”

    “Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim’s life in Los Angeles?… THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES — that is a matter of cold record.”

    Hearst and Anslinger were then supported by Dupont chemical company and various pharmaceutical companies in the effort to outlaw cannabis. Dupont had patented nylon, and wanted hemp removed as competition. The pharmaceutical companies could neither identify nor standardize cannabis dosages, and besides, with cannabis, folks could grow their own medicine and not have to purchase it from large companies.

    This all set the stage for…

    The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.

    After two years of secret planning, Anslinger brought his plan to Congress — complete with a scrapbook full of sensational Hearst editorials, stories of ax murderers who had supposedly smoked marijuana, and racial slurs.

    It was a remarkably short set of hearings.

    The one fly in Anslinger’s ointment was the appearance by Dr. William C. Woodward, Legislative Council of the American Medical Association.

    Woodward started by slamming Harry Anslinger and the Bureau of Narcotics for distorting earlier AMA statements that had nothing to do with marijuana and making them appear to be AMA endorsement for Anslinger’s view.

    He also reproached the legislature and the Bureau for using the term marijuana in the legislation and not publicizing it as a bill about cannabis or hemp. At this point, marijuana (or marihuana) was a sensationalist word used to refer to Mexicans smoking a drug and had not been connected in most people’s minds to the existing cannabis/hemp plant. Thus, many who had legitimate reasons to oppose the bill weren’t even aware of it.

    Woodward went on to state that the AMA was opposed to the legislation and further questioned the approach of the hearings, coming close to outright accusation of misconduct by Anslinger and the committee:

    “That there is a certain amount of narcotic addiction of an objectionable character no one will deny. The newspapers have called attention to it so prominently that there must be some grounds for [their] statements [even Woodward was partially taken in by Hearst's propaganda]. It has surprised me, however, that the facts on which these statements have been based have not been brought before this committee by competent primary evidence. We are referred to newspaper publications concerning the prevalence of marihuana addiction. We are told that the use of marihuana causes crime.

    But yet no one has been produced from the Bureau of Prisons to show the number of prisoners who have been found addicted to the marihuana habit. An informed inquiry shows that the Bureau of Prisons has no evidence on that point.

    You have been told that school children are great users of marihuana cigarettes. No one has been summoned from the Children’s Bureau to show the nature and extent of the habit, among children.

    Inquiry of the Children’s Bureau shows that they have had no occasion to investigate it and know nothing particularly of it.

    Inquiry of the Office of Education— and they certainly should know something of the prevalence of the habit among the school children of the country, if there is a prevalent habit— indicates that they have had no occasion to investigate and know nothing of it.

    Moreover, there is in the Treasury Department itself, the Public Health Service, with its Division of Mental Hygiene. The Division of Mental Hygiene was, in the first place, the Division of Narcotics. It was converted into the Division of Mental Hygiene, I think, about 1930. That particular Bureau has control at the present time of the narcotics farms that were created about 1929 or 1930 and came into operation a few years later. No one has been summoned from that Bureau to give evidence on that point.

    Informal inquiry by me indicates that they have had no record of any marihuana of Cannabis addicts who have ever been committed to those farms.

    The bureau of Public Health Service has also a division of pharmacology. If you desire evidence as to the pharmacology of Cannabis, that obviously is the place where you can get direct and primary evidence, rather than the indirect hearsay evidence.”

    Committee members then proceeded to attack Dr. Woodward, questioning his motives in opposing the legislation. Even the Chairman joined in:

    The Chairman: If you want to advise us on legislation, you ought to come here with some constructive proposals, rather than criticism, rather than trying to throw obstacles in the way of something that the Federal Government is trying to do. It has not only an unselfish motive in this, but they have a serious responsibility.

    Dr. Woodward: We cannot understand yet, Mr. Chairman, why this bill should have been prepared in secret for 2 years without any intimation, even, to the profession, that it was being prepared.

    After some further bantering…

    The Chairman: I would like to read a quotation from a recent editorial in the Washington Times:

    The marihuana cigarette is one of the most insidious of all forms of dope, largely because of the failure of the public to understand its fatal qualities.

    The Nation is almost defenseless against it, having no Federal laws to cope with it and virtually no organized campaign for combating it.

    The result is tragic.

    School children are the prey of peddlers who infest school neighborhoods.

    High school boys and girls buy the destructive weed without knowledge of its capacity of harm, and conscienceless dealers sell it with impunity.

    This is a national problem, and it must have national attention.

    The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a deadly drug, and American children must be protected against it.

    That is a pretty severe indictment. They say it is a national question and that it requires effective legislation. Of course, in a general way, you have responded to all of these statements; but that indicates very clearly that it is an evil of such magnitude that it is recognized by the press of the country as such.

    And that was basically it. Yellow journalism won over medical science.

    The committee passed the legislation on. And on the floor of the house, the entire discussion was:

    Member from upstate New York: “Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?”

    Speaker Rayburn: “I don’t know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it’s a narcotic of some kind.”

    “Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?”

    Member on the committee jumps up and says: “Their Doctor Wentworth[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent.”

    And on the basis of that lie, on August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level.

    The entire coverage in the New York Times: “President Roosevelt signed today a bill to curb traffic in the narcotic, marihuana, through heavy taxes on transactions.”

    Anslinger as precursor to the Drug Czars

    Anslinger was essentially the first Drug Czar. Even though the term didn’t exist until William Bennett’s position as director of the White House Office of National Drug Policy, Anslinger acted in a similar fashion. In fact, there are some amazing parallels between Anslinger and the current Drug Czar John Walters. Both had kind of a carte blanche to go around demonizing drugs and drug users. Both had resources and a large public podium for their voice to be heard and to promote their personal agenda. Both lied constantly, often when it was unnecessary. Both were racists. Both had the ear of lawmakers, and both realized that they could persuade legislators and others based on lies, particularly if they could co-opt the media into squelching or downplaying any opposition views.

    Anslinger even had the ability to circumvent the First Amendment. He banned the Canadian movie “Drug Addict,” a 1946 documentary that realistically depicted the drug addicts and law enforcement efforts. He even tried to get Canada to ban the movie in their own country, or failing that, to prevent U.S. citizens from seeing the movie in Canada. Canada refused. (Today, Drug Czar John Walters is trying to bully Canada into keeping harsh marijuana laws.)

    Anslinger had 37 years to solidify the propaganda and stifle opposition. The lies continued the entire time (although the stories would adjust — the 21 year old Florida boy who killed his family of five got younger each time he told it). In 1961, he looked back at his efforts:

    “Much of the most irrational juvenile violence and that has written a new chapter of shame and tragedy is traceable directly to this hemp intoxication. A gang of boys tear the clothes from two school girls and rape the screaming girls, one boy after the other. A sixteen-year-old kills his entire family of five in Florida, a man in Minnesota puts a bullet through the head of a stranger on the road; in Colorado husband tries to shoot his wife, kills her grandmother instead and then kills himself. Every one of these crimes had been proceeded [sic] by the smoking of one or more marijuana “reefers.” As the marijuana situation grew worse, I knew action had to be taken to get the proper legislation passed. By 1937 under my direction, the Bureau launched two important steps First, a legislative plan to seek from Congress a new law that would place marijuana and its distribution directly under federal control. Second, on radio and at major forums, such that presented annually by the New York Herald Tribune, I told the story of this evil weed of the fields and river beds and roadsides. I wrote articles for magazines; our agents gave hundreds of lectures to parents, educators, social and civic leaders. In network broadcasts I reported on the growing list of crimes, including murder and rape. I described the nature of marijuana and its close kinship to hashish. I continued to hammer at the facts.

    I believe we did a thorough job, for the public was alerted and the laws to protect them were passed, both nationally and at the state level. We also brought under control the wild growing marijuana in this country. Working with local authorities, we cleaned up hundreds of acres of marijuana and we uprooted plants sprouting along the roadsides.”

    After Anslinger

    On a break from college in the 70s, I was visiting a church in rural Illinois. There in the literature racks in the back of the church was a lurid pamphlet about the evils of marijuana — all the old reefer madness propaganda about how it caused insanity and murder. I approached the minister and said “You can’t have this in your church. It’s all lies, and the church shouldn’t be about promoting lies.” Fortunately, my dad believed me, and he had the material removed. He didn’t even know how it got there. But without me speaking up, neither he nor the other members of the church had any reason NOT to believe what the pamphlet said. The propaganda machine had been that effective.

    The narrative since then has been a continual litany of:

    Politicians wanting to appear tough on crime and passing tougher penalties
    Constant increases in spending on law enforcement and prisons
    Racist application of drug laws
    Taxpayer funded propaganda
    Stifling of opposition speech
    Political contributions from corporations that profit from marijuana being illegal (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etc.)
    … but that’s another whole story. http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/

    " Black markets thrive because of demand, and will continue to do so. But what is the cost? In effect, the cultivation and distribution of marijuana has passed out of the hands of ordinary citizens, and into the hands of violent criminals. To openly defy law and go underground with equipment and resources to elude police forces, you need a lot of money. Who has adequate money, communications networks, and defense? You got it, organized crime." http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/96383/does_the_war_on_marijuana_cause_crime_pg2.html?cat=17

    is this enough or shall I continue?

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  11. thedarby
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    “Approximately 2.5 million people die each year from alcohol related causes. … The harmful use of alcohol is especially fatal for younger age groups and alcohol is the world’s leading risk factor for death among males aged 15-59. … Alcohol is a causal factor in 60 types of diseases and injuries. … Its consumption has been linked to cirrhosis of the liver, epilepsy, poisonings, road traffic accidents, violence, and several types of cancer, including cancers of the colorectum, breast, larynx and liver.” The same can’t be said for cannabis — which governments far and wide continue to treat as public enemy #1, despite its relatively nominal risks. read the entire book here online for free: http://www.scribd.com/doc/30178916/Marijuana-Is-Safer

    The Truth is out there, You just have to look past the blinders.

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  12. I say NO.

    We just disagree. I don't hold your advocacy against you.

    It is not good for people to smoke any substance, legal or illegal. But, I also understand it does lessen some peoples pain or nausea but prescriptions can be written for that.

    It is harmful. Here are two links I Googled.
    http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

    http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.html

    Yes, many different laws were passed in the 30's, some sort of good, some not so good and some were found unconstitutional. Personally, I think the Federal Government should stay out of this type of business and let the states decide.

    Kudos on your point of view Darby but with alcohol already causing so many problems, do we really need to have legal marijuana too? Plus, until the police forces can get a pot "breathylyzer" that works fast, I just don't see it passing as a legal recreational drug.

    And it makes me physically sick, always has, never trying it again.

    I am all for hemp products, but smoking pot is addictive on many (not all) people and tough on the people who want to quit. Even Dr. Drew on Celebrity Rehab knows this. ;)

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  13. I'm not a big fan of the "evil weed" for my personal use. I enjoyed it now and then as a younger adult, but much more enjoy awakening each morning fresh, energetic and substance free as a more mature adult. That being said... there are a couple of points I see in favor of legalization.

    The big one for me is taxation. This state needs money in the worst way and legalization would be a great way to raise money... as long as the substance was heavily regulated and heavily taxed. I'd like to see money raised to reinstate those social and educational programs that are now taking big hits because of budget constraints.

    One of the big arguments against legalization has always been that it's addictive and we don't need another addictive substance legalized. Well, if that argument is to hold water in my book, we'd better outlaw not only tobacco and alcohol, but food and soft drinks because they can be highly addictive...especially sugar and carbohydrates. And then there are the sex addicts... apparently that activity is now considered quite addictive. And there are some running/exercise junkies who cannot quit that activity for the life of them. There are nasal sprays that are addictive, energy drinks and caffeine for a few other examples off the top of my head. I doubt Seattle would be the coffee capital it is without the caffeine drug in coffee. The list of addictives could go on and on... gambling, shopping, collecting pets.. it's unfathomable how many activites and substances can become addictive.

    The fact is... A percentage of every society (won't quote the actual number, because I can't recall it at the moment) who will become addicted to something, no matter what. Those cultures who have legalized recreational drugs have about the same percentage of addicts as those who consider drugs illegal. Human beings will find a way to feed their addictive brain receptors, in the face of insurmountable odds.

    We can outlaw everything that's addictive and "bad" for some of us and keep putting more of our citizens in prison, but continuing to incarcerate the population only makes our taxes go up. And, placing users and distributors of illegal addictive substances (as opposed to those honored citizens who use and distribute legal addictive substances) in prisons with violent criminals makes no sense at all. Seems like there should be a more rational approach to addictive behaviors and substances. So far, my vote will be for legalization and taxation, coupled with high levels of education about (and against) pot, which just seems a more common sense approach. I'll keep an open mind though.

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  14. anonyme
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    I'm for legalization, but share the concerns of DP and Rich. What worries me most is what I see on a constant basis - the use of marijuana in public places, much more so than alcohol. I often have to confront these individuals as part of my job, and they usually start screaming and yelling that they have a prescription and can therefore use anywhere, any time they choose. In every case, they are passing their "medicine" around in a group. And while we're on the topic of sharing, it should be noted that public alcohol consumption does not intoxicate anyone except the guy with the bottle in his hand - not so for weed.

    Before anybody jumps on their bandwagon, yes, of course I know that there are plenty of alcohol intoxicated people out in public, and way too many behind the wheel. WE DON'T NEED MORE. I agree with Rich that we need a strict detection and enforcement strategy in place before legalization - as well as regulation and taxation.

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  15. maplesyrup
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    maplesyrup

    Do you think with just of a fraction we spend on enforcing pot laws, a reliable field test for drivers could be developed?

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  16. anonyme
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    Hopefully, yes - although not much is done these days to enforce pot laws, that I can see, with the possible exception of larger-scale dealing. It would be interesting to see some truly objective statistics on this. I suspect legalization might make enforcement more expensive in some ways, due to the public use issue I mentioned...

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  17. From TDe:

    One of the big arguments against legalization has always been that it's addictive and we don't need another addictive substance legalized. Well, if that argument is to hold water in my book, we'd better outlaw not only tobacco and alcohol, but food and soft drinks because they can be highly addictive...especially sugar and carbohydrates. [etc.]

    --Exactly so. For any proposed or existing substance (or service) that has been shewn to be harmful to society, there should be a special tax, the proceeds from which would be used to raise awareness and mitigate the damages.

    A tax on junk food could fund public awareness and exercise programs. A tax on prostitutes could fund . . . um . . . retirement homes for disgraced politicians.

    My big problem with the pro-marijuana lobby is that they're putting it forward as if it's harmless or "no worse than other drugs." Here again, I'm with anonyme. Before we even consider going forward with this, I'd like to see some studies on the impact of this to society.

    There ARE some drug legalization case studies we could examine as well (Holland, Portugal), although you have to make allowances for cultural differences. In Holland the big problem is not addiction but rather "BUI" (bicycling under the influence.) In Portugal, it's "pesca embriagado" (fishing drunk).
     

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  18. WorldCitizen
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    zgh2676

    The OP has it right on this time. He's well informed and the sources he sites are relevant and factually based. The logic behind legalization is clear and the opposition is based mostly in perception and personal belief. And, while perception and personal belief are important, they are not reasons for backing policy. Logic and clear thought are. (No cracks on the idea of marijuana and clear thought being odd bedfellows please). Prohibition hurts our society almost immeasurably more than marijuana does.

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  19. maplesyrup
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    maplesyrup

    anonyme, we manage to keep a pretty tight lid on public consumption of alcohol (so to speak). It could be the same with pot- actually pot's a lot easier to detect in public.

    The problem is not the pot, it's the vague legal status. If we could manage to just make it legal, with conditions, the problems of public consumption and/or stoned driving could be minimized easily enough.

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  20. anonyme
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    maplesyrup, I agree. If legalization can bring about some clarity to the ridiculous state of legal limbo we have at the moment, I'm all for it.

    I do not agree with the stance that marijuana use is some kind of boon to society. There ARE negative impacts, and to blame "prohibition" for most of the evils of the U.S. is pure nonsense. I think thedarby is drowning in his own argument.

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  21. thedarby
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    I am not drowning in my argument. I have grown up seeing what prohibition does, it destroys. Plain and simple, it's disturbing to see so many people not realizing that. “Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes crimes out of things that are not crimes.” Abraham Lincoln. Have you forgotten history so quickly? Did you know that hemp can be used to make paper, plastic-like material, toiletries, cloth, and even fuel? Or how about this, we can use hemp to create material necessary to build sustainable homes and office buildings that are aesthetically pleasing and strong enough to endure earthquakes and home fires.

    Let me tell you when cannabis is legalized we will be able to save a TRILLION dollars nationally. Tell me that wouldn't help keep teachers from getting a pay cut while CEO's get raises?

    We have over 2 million Americans in prison now, that is 6 times the world median. We have 5% of the world’s population with 25% of the world’s prisoners. A great many are non violent drug offenders. People who use marijuana do not belong in prison and we can not afford to put them there.

    Make no mistake: prohibition is profit driven, but not just for dealers and organized crime. The prison industrial complex, the pharmaceutical industry and law enforcement all depend on the drug war. They reap billions of dollars from it, money that would be better spent on infrastructure and education. Politicians cannot throw enough of your money away on the war against marijuana. This has been going on for so long that the raw data is there for all to see. The numbers and results speak for themselves.

    Let me say it again: what have you got for your trillion dollars?

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  22. You do realize that hemp products exist, and it has nothing to do with what one might smoke? Just making sure. Yes, we all realize that hemp is a great product, can be made into many things. It already is...but you knew that, didn't you darby? I'm a medical marijuana user, and I'm not sure where you were going with that point...just sayin'...

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  23. thedarby
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    anonyme seemed unaware of the benefits, therefor it needed to be shared. Also for your information, hemp is not being fully utilized because of prohibition.

    The legalization of pot in the U.S. would also likely open the door to the legal production of hemp, a variety of the same Cannabis plant that contains much lower amounts of the psychoactive drug, THC. Proponents say hemp could meet an increasingly larger percentage of our domestic fiber and fuel needs. Cannabis, the plant from which marijuana and hemp is derived, grows quickly without the need for excessive amounts of fertilizer or pesticide (it’s a “weed” after all) and absorbs carbon dioxide like any plant engaged in photosynthesis. The fiber and fuel derived from hemp would be carbon neutral and as such wouldn’t contribute to global warming—and in fact could help mitigate rising temperatures by replacing chemical-intensive crops like cotton and imported fossil fuels like oil and gas.

    Of course, one might argue that the best thing for the environment would be to stop growing cannabis altogether. “But let’s be real: That’s never going to happen,” says Gloudeman. “In light of that, the next best bet is to make it legal.” by Roddy Scheer and Doug Moss

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  24. thedarby
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    Neal Peirce did an editorial in the Seattle Times I suggest you read for yourself and see why myself and others are out there everyday so that Sensible Washington's I-1149 gets on the ballot. This is true reform by the people for the people. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2015108756_peirce22.html

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  25. darby, I agree with you that lots of money is being wasted in the war on drugs. No doubt, that is a POWERFUL argument in favor of legalization. But I suspect you're overstating the case again, as usual.

    Not all marijuana enforcement money is wasted after all. Some of it's spent on busting and jailing big-time dealers, and you'd better believe that these folks won't simply be applying for jobs at Wal-Mart when the marijuana wars are over. So some of this money is well spent and some marijuana-associated people really are better off in jail, IMHO.

    Anyway, try giving a little ground on some of these concerns that people have raised. I think you'll gain it back in credibility.

    (Study maplesyrup's approach to this for starters. This is a guy you should have on your PR team.)

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  26. redblack
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    redblack

    maybe we should legalize hemp production first, and place severe restrictions on the size of hemp farms. once the plant itself is legal - again! - for its multifarious uses, we can discuss harvesting its buds for recreational use.

    after all, we don't need monsanto or con-agra getting their corrupt, poisonous hooks in another beneficial crop.

    in the meantime, i'll vote to decriminalize in our fair state. how much damage can yet another vague, jurisdictionally-contradictory law do?

    if it means that we, the people, slow the rate that the corporate prison ranks are swelling for petty, arbitrary, holier-than-thou reasons, i'm all for it.

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