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Rant:Certain bicyclists


  1. munchkin22
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    munchkin22

    ME: sitting at red light westbound Alaska and California this morning
    YOU:decked out in all your bike duds, baby trailer in tow, depart from two waiting lanes into oncoming eastbound lane and through the intersection as though you're a pedestrian. Next light and one after, starting through the intersection before the light changed. I certainly hope you had something inert in your trailer and NOT your child.
    THEN, to top it off I trail another biker down Avalon and he blows through the red light at Spokane and takes a free right.

    In our day we stayed on the sidewalks and tried to stay out of the way of vehicles.
    It's no wonder people get flattened.

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  2. pattilea
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    OKAY my turn.....I came SO CLOSE to hitting a biker that came thru a red light on Admiral and Calif. I had to slam on my brakes you swerved and flipped ME of???? You were all in black no flashing light or reflective wear AND ran the light!!! Please, Please, please wear something so I KNOW you are there!

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  3. We all know that to have a solid opinion requires knowing life on both sides. I'm scared for you all as I drive my pickup truck. Don't you think for a minute, as you sit in your Subaru, or Lincoln Towncar, that you are much more safe than the bicyclist. My truck is heavy and if I just as little as become complacent with the radio, heater, ect... then the most horrific life changing, or ending experience may happen to you.

    Does this sound threatening? Well, it's the reality of the American roadway and we are all just as responsible for the wicked horror our multi-thousand pound vehicles can cause. "It's not the car that kills the pedestrian, or bicyclist, it's the car operator". The responsibility we carelessly take when we turn over the engine and put into gear is insane. The outcome for this decision is one we take as trivial, inconsequential, and totally un-concerning. If we can't stop our car while going thirty miles per hour on a wet road at night and down hill then to hell with anyone who dares get in the way. This might as well be our view because we are willing to take the chance.

    Four-thousand-five-hundred troops died in Iraq over the course of THAT war, but we loose over forty-thousand to car related fatalities annually and don't pay notice. The car has lead the American to become unsightly as only a person lacking adequate exercise and self respect can become. Even the stanchest motor-head can be creamed while walking across the street. The car is mean, or at least, it's operators can become this.

    The reason the folks who opened this comment did so is because they are strapped into their cage and can't look about as the bicyclist can. The motorist can be co-dependent of things just going okay, but the truth is, we can't see worth a darn and especially when the glass is wet at night. Luck and chance get us home without killing.

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  4. Dear munchkin22: in your first paragraph you're annoyed at the bicyclist for acting like a pedestrian, and in the second you're saying we should ride on the sidewalks. Make up your mind.

    Dear bicyclist addressed by pattilea: quit making the rest of us look bad, dude.

    (My bike has so many blinky lights on it that if you can't see me, you should not be driving.)

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  5. munchkin22
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    munchkin22

    Datamuse: I was annoyed at the fact that he went into opposing lanes to get around the rest of us first of all, then acts as though he also has the rights of a pedestrian WHEN he chooses to, then acts like a jerk back on the street. Maybe I should start driving on the sidewalk when it's convenient for me to get around traffic. Do the laws of the street apply to bikes or don't they?
    I'm not against all bikes on the street, just the riders that have no concern for the law or the people they place in jeopardy, including themselves. It sounds as though you're a thoughtful, careful rider aware of the environment around you. That's a good thing.

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  6. Actually, like it or not, a cyclist DOES have the same rights as a pedestrian when they are in a crosswalk (you can look it up in the RCW). If the cyclist annoyed you because s/he broke the law or acted like a jerk, that's one thing and I WISH my fellow cyclists would behave in a legal and courteous manner (ditto drivers). But if the cyclist simply made a legal (if annoying) maneuver that helped him get through the intersection in faster [legal] way, well, tough. One of the reasons some of us ride is so that we are not part of the traffic congestion lemming/rat race mentality. Bikes allow us to pass through congested areas on the shoulder or in a parking or bike lane. It's as legal as driving in a clear general purpose lane when the other lanes are stopped. You can always try it yourself if being stuck in traffic annoys you.
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    Personally, I insist on lighting myself up like a christmas tree when I ride, and I cringe at the ninja riders, but SOME drivers still fail to see me. They are simply not paying the attention to driving that they should be.

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  7. munchkin22 - I agree with you that the rider definitely broke the law by riding against traffic flow in the opposing lane. That was wrong and dangerous.

    However, by law, cyclists do have every legal right to either ride on the street as general traffic (and therefore must obey traffic laws, just like any driver should - it seems as if you understand that not every cyclist is "bad" just as every driver is not "bad", thank you for understanding that) or to use the sidewalks/crosswalks whenever they want to. The only caveat is that they yield to pedestrians and ride at a speed reasonable for the circumstances. Riding a bike on a sidewalk is no way equivalent to driving a car on one.

    There are jerks on bikes and jerks behind the wheel. Nothing will change that. We just need to continue riding and driving as safely as possible to keep those in our immediate vicinity safe, even if that means not losing it on the idiot that ran the light (whether they be on foot, on a bike, in a car or bus).

    Here are some helpful RCW's regarding cycling laws:
    http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/bikecode.htm

    Section 11.44.040 RIDING ON ROADWAYS
    Section 11.44.100 RIGHT-OF-WAY IN CROSSWALK
    Section 11.44.120 RIDING ON A SIDEWALK OR PUBLIC PATH

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  8. munchkin22
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    munchkin22

    We ride bikes too,however infrequently, and thanks for your input on all the laws, it helps understand why things are the way they are. I appreciate it. Wasn't trying to light any fires, just venting a tad.

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  9. No worries, munchkin22. It was a little hard for me to tell what happened from your initial post, so thank you for clarifying.

    For what it's worth, I ride on the sidewalks/crosswalks as little as possible. There are, however, some intersections especially (the one at Delridge/Henderson is a case in point) where it feels safer because a lot of people are turning left, hurrying through the red, etc and I've had a number of near misses.

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  10. metrognome
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    just to save time, we should start a perma-thread titled, "Rant: Certain Human Behavior" to cover dumb behavior by humans when in motion, whether on a bicycle or motorcycle or in a motor vehicle or boat or as a pedestrian, etc. I am pretty certain all of us have been in this category more than once; people who do not understand the physics of bodies in motion, or more importantly, the physics of bodies in motion when that motion suddenly and unexpectedly stops; and/or those people who do not grasp the concept that being in motion when you are around other people in motion requires all your attention in the event that life-critical decisions need to be made in a split second; and/or those who do not see the need to take appropriate precautions, i.e. placing enough blinky lights on your bicycle that the space station crew can pick you out without a telescope because *the law* is on your side, are in that category way more often ... until such time as the universe makes a decision that your life as you know it needs to be unalteringly changed.

    The most recent episode of 'The Closer', "Road Block", is well worth watching in this regard; they did an amazing job of presenting the consequences of a hit-and-run.

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  11. It could be one of the Forum perma-threads. ;)

    Hey, do you know if Spokelits are legal in WA? I've looked at the RCW but it's hard to tell. Maybe only certain colors?

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  12. metrognome
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    first, I had to look up Spokelits as I had never heard of them (I actually think I tried them once on my wheelchair but I don't move fast enough; and if I am moving *that* fast, I am unlikely to survive the sudden stop. My coworkers often speculated I could get to WS a lot faster if they put an Evel Knievel ramp at First and I freewheeled down Marion from Second); then, I had to learn that the correct spelling is *not* Spokekilts ...

    I don't see why they wouldn't be legal, but this is probably a question for Al. Here is the RCW that seems to apply:

    RCW 46.61.780
    Lamps and other equipment on bicycles.

    (1) Every bicycle when in use during the hours of darkness as defined in RCW 46.37.020 shall be equipped with a lamp on the front which shall emit a white light visible from a distance of at least five hundred feet to the front and with a red reflector on the rear of a type approved by the state patrol which shall be visible from all distances up to six hundred feet to the rear when directly in front of lawful lower beams of head lamps on a motor vehicle. A lamp emitting a red light visible from a distance of five hundred feet to the rear may be used in addition to the red reflector. A light-emitting diode flashing taillight visible from a distance of five hundred feet to the rear may also be used in addition to the red reflector.

    (2) Every bicycle shall be equipped with a brake which will enable the operator to make the braked wheels skid on dry, level, clean pavement.

    This requirement is part of the 'Cooper Jones Act' of 1998 that established the WA traffic safety commission (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=43.59.010).

    I would assume this is a minimum and that one can add to this, further assuming the lights aren't prohibited in some other obscure rule (i.e. wearing a rotating blue 'K-Mart special' light on your helmet or handlebars is probably prohibited.)

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  13. Hmm, if they installed the ramp, then you might have use for the Spokelits... ;)

    I'd be using them in addition to my other lights; reviews say that they mostly help with visibility from the side, which my current lights don't really (plus, they look cool).

    Apparently in California one cannot use the blue ones because only law enforcement vehicles can have blue lights. I was curious if such a law applied here (they have green ones and I really like green).

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  14. The only requirement for cyclists and lights/reflectors is stated above. It's a minimum requirement, not a maximum, so Spokelits are acceptable. Note that one MUST have a red rear reflector even if you've got that giant bright red flashing/steady light.

    I've heard mixed reviews about Spokelits though. Most about how long they last. I used them once and after they got wet, they didn't work again. There is a new product out there now that seems to be waterproof: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/minimonkey/mini-monkey-light-wheel-lights-for-bicycles.

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  15. Thanks, Al. That's good to know about them getting wet, especially around here!

    I do have my rear reflector, and also a rear red light with three settings: Steady, Flashing, and Obnoxious. :D

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  16. velo_nut
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    velo_nut

    I love when folks say this (per the OP)

    "YOU:decked out in all your bike duds..."

    My bike duds?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA. Whatever.

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  17. Can we talk about Lycra now?

    Pleeeeeez?

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  18. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn29DvMITu4

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  19. Ahahahaha that video is great.

    I DO like having a bike I can pick up and carry one-handed, though.

    (DBP: Must we?)

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  20. velo_nut
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    velo_nut

    I'll put myself in my "bike dud" Lycra than alot of you all in normal driving clothes any day...

    Posted 5 months ago #         
  21. velo_nut
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    velo_nut

    In fact... lets play a little game of this or that.

    This?
    http://tiny.cc/h31qj

    ot That?
    http://tiny.cc/sf80m

    Exactly.

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