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Rant: Person paying with EBT Card in QFC.

Started 1 year ago by TheHouse
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TheHouse
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You didn't thank me for your groceries since I'm a taxpayer and paid for them.

You're welcome though...I know you and the dude you were with are working hard to get off those bennys!

Posted 1 year ago #
HunterG
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Wow...really?

Posted 1 year ago #
RarelyEver
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must be the full moon, it draws the trolls. avert your eyes and they will disappear.

Posted 1 year ago #
JanS
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house..isn't it wonderful that we live in a country that would afford you the same benefits if you needed them? Wow...have you thanked me lately for the upkeep on the street in front of your home?

Posted 1 year ago #
JanS
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oh, and by the way...per the rules..did you discuss this with the person before you posted your rant? What was their response?

Posted 1 year ago #
miws
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Sucks that the person didn't kiss yer feet, huh House?

Maybe you and hooper should get together over a beer, and discuss how the po' folk 'round here have been the ruination of Society.

Mike

Posted 1 year ago #
TDe
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Right in there with RarelyEver

Posted 1 year ago #
Gina
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What is an EBT card?

Posted 1 year ago #
TheHouse
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@Gina - They are Electronic Benefit Cards, typically known as "food stamps".

@RarelyEver - You may disagree, but I posted this under Rants and you aren't obligated to respond if you disagree. So, who's a "troll" now? Besides, the term "troll" is a subjective term that certain people like to use to vilify someone. Pointless in a discussion.

@JanS - no violation here. This is like complaining about speeders on Admiral or 35th (which is done at least every other week).

I am not critical of people who legitimately need EBT benefits, but the people that I saw (and by the way, I worked in grocery stores for 8 years) do not fall under this classification. They fall under the classification of abusers.

And yes, I do feel that people on food stamps should be thanking the rest of us. After what I witnessed in my grocery days, many of you hopefully would be appalled of what goes on out there. I have stood behind multiple people in lines using EBT cards to pay for steak, lobsters, crabs, etc while I was behind them purchasing a can of soup for dinner (mind you, I was employed and working).

When government is looking for ways to save $$$, I would hope that one thing being looked at is the abuse in that system.

Posted 1 year ago #
TDe
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Electronic Benefits Transfer card. The upgradeded version of food stamps.

Posted 1 year ago #
JoB
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theHouse...

i am just curious. What qualified them as an abuser?

Did you disapprove of their food choices?
Were they too well dressed?
Was it the non-food items they paid for with actual cash?

And.. out of all of the taxpayers in the store...
why on earth should they have turned around and thanked you?

Posted 1 year ago #
RarelyEver
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Trollface.png

yeah, with a post like that you sure weren't trying to elicit an emotional response from the folks who frequent this blog. you must be dismayed that instead of all the posts in support of your rant you were expecting, you're getting people actually disagreeing with your premise!

Posted 1 year ago #
datamuse
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Slow night, House?

Posted 1 year ago #
luckymom30
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I too have paid for groceries afew times for someone who is down and out but I did not expect a thank you, the mere jesture was enough for me as it felt good to offer someone help. I would hope that someone would do that for me if I needed the help.

Posted 1 year ago #
redblack
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luckymom: i think house is accusing them of theft via "wealth redistribution." not helping people in need.

but if someone can get the basics through a food bank or other means, then use state-provided benefits to buy meat, fish, vegetables, and dairy - why not? just because you're poor doesn't mean you have to eat everything from a can like some kind of hobo.

maybe it bothers house that freedom of choice also applies to people he doesn't agree with.

Posted 1 year ago #
elikapeka
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Wow, it must be great to be so omniscient that you can make snap judgments about people.

The house's post reminds me of a letter I read a loooonnnng time ago in Dear Abby or Ann Landers or one of those columns. It was from a mother who was on food stamps. She was on food stamps because she was the caregiver for her severely disabled teenaged son. She couldn't work because she took care of him. The husband/father had left, so it was just the two of them. So she got food stamps. For her son's birthday, she went to the store and bought his favorite junk foods - chips and dip, and a cake and I think she mentioned steak, but I don't remember the particulars. She had scrimped on things in the weeks leading up to this to give him a special birthday. While she checked out, someone in line made a snide remark about her (not to her, just about her in a loud enough voice for her to hear.) She had written in just to remind others that things may not be what they seem.

My brother in law was in the same boat - he was terminally ill and his wife stayed home as his primary caregiver. They got disability and other assistance to enable him to stay at home instead of a nursing home, including food stamps. Towards the end of his life, all he wanted was sweet stuff - candy, cookies, cake - the doctors didn't care what he ate at that point, just wanted him to eat. So that's the stuff she bought. With food stamps.

Then there was the time that I parked in a handicapped spot (with a handicapped placard)right by the front door at the mall, and jumped out of the car to run inside. I could sense the nasty looks and outrage from the people around me. I'm certainly not handicapped. Nobody said anything. If they had asked, or if they were there long enough, they would have found that I was actually going just inside the door to the seating area to escort my mother with her walker to the car.

So maybe you ought to think twice before you make snarky comments about people you don't know.

And I'm not naive - I know there are certainly people that abuse the system. But in any system that's going to happen sometimes. I'd rather have a system that ensures everybody who needs it is covered, and if somebody slips through that really shouldn't be there once while, that's something I can live with. I'd rather do it that way than make things so difficult that truly needy people are denied help just to make sure you catch all the cheaters.

If you want to look at government abuse, look at the banksters and the war profiteers, for goodness sakes. Your jobs are going overseas, we've given billions to bail out banks that were operating like casinos, companies like Blackwater have robbed the taxpayer blind with no bid contracts and then moved offshore so they can pay no taxes at all, but you're upset because somebody ate a lobster? I think your priorities are a bit out of balance.

Posted 1 year ago #
Diane
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Chase 4th quarter profits almost $5 billion; big bucks from contracts with state's food stamps and unemployment; and outsourcing Chase jobs to India
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JP Morgan Makes Big Bucks from Food Stamp Growth, Then Hires Workers in India with Our Tax Dollars
http://www.alternet.org
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http://bit.ly/fYC6hq

Posted 1 year ago #
RarelyEver
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*applauds elikapeka*

Posted 1 year ago #
dawsonct
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I shouldn't add anything elikapeka; excellent post.
But I will, 'cause that's my nature.
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It won't cross my mind to scorn another American who is struggling financially until I start seeing some contrition for the destruction of American society from the mega-corporations and the billionaires that have demonstrably benefited astronomically over the last 30+ years because of Republican conceived fiscal and trade policies. Salaries of the average American worker has stagnated, while our productivity continually increases.
We are working harder and longer, but all the capital generated by all that labor has disappeared up the ladder, and the only sign I see is that it isn't enough, and they want more. We are working harder and longer, but our standard of living is beyond slipping, it is plummeting.
And the top 1% keep on getting wealthier and wealthier.
Yet, it is still not enough for them, so they purchase a whole Party of legislators, who do whatever America's neo-royalists want them to do, and their job in government is to grease the wheels and continue that gusher of money from our government, which they mostly stash away off-shore and in "foundations" and other tax shelter so they the very tiny amount they contribute back to society is mostly written off anyway.
Of course, the ONLY way we can keep funneling OUR tax dollars into THEIR pockets, is if we cut services that affect POSITIVELY the overwhelming majority of America's citizens, even if indirectly.
When the handlers cut rations to the rats, they attack each other, not the creators of their suffering, so we get angry asses like the OP, who misdirects their ire at the people THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD are the problem, and COMPLETELY ignore the perpetrators of the destruction of the American Dream.
Congratulations dupe, they couldn't/can't continue to do it (to us) without you.

Posted 1 year ago #
miws
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It's always easier, and to be frank, quite cowardly, to go after the "weaker" in Society.
It's very hard, in many, various aspects, to stand up to those with all the wealth and power.

We can rant and rave about how their greed, to make every last penny they can, whether through honest, hard work, or, in what I believe many people, including myself perceive as becoming more the norm nowadays; in at a minimum, an unethical manner, all the way up to outright deception, and scamming (think Bernie Madoff).

We can call, write, E-Mail, our Politicians, and express our disgust at all of the breaks the big corps and wealthy get, only to have it fall on deaf ears, whether that be because the wealthy are lining those Pols' pockets, or the Pols try to represent and fight for the "little guy", but are powerless, whether in reality, or perception, to stand up to the more powerful.

It seems about the only way to fight the greed, would be to have a nearly equal, or greater amount of power (money), and to try to change peoples' way of thinking.

If that doesn't make sense, then what I'm trying to say, in more (hopefully) simple terms, is if those that choose not to follow the path of greed, and invest monetarily in, and purchase the goods and services of, companies that operate ethically; treating the Environment and their employees, and customers with respect, pay a living wage, and keep the jobs from going Offshore, our Society would be a lot better off.

Getting back to the part about going after the weaker, I compare it to the abusive parent that hits their child. The child isn't strong enough to fight back, for fear of suffering harsher abuse, so they, in turn, abuse the family pet. They go after the "weaker" one.

Okay, now some might think my analogy is full of holes, and I certainly don't mean to diminish the suffering abused children and animals experience, but, I think it get's my point across.

So, yeah, all this bitching and moaning about how the less fortunate in our Society are such a detriment and burden, while ignoring, or only casually acknowledging the impact that those amongst the wealthy that choose to be unethical, have on our Society, is simply a sign of cowardice, and insecurity in oneself, by those that choose to take the easier path of blame.

Mike

Posted 1 year ago #
funkietoo
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@ dawsonct and @ miws: You are both Spot on! Thank you for saving me a lot of typing as you stated what I was thinking.

Will say that I am disgusted with the UPWARD wealth redistribution theft that keeps making the top 1-2% richest, wealthier...on the backs of the poor, working poor, working class and middle class.

@House--just curious, were you leaning over these individuals' shoulders, watching them pay for their items?

The EBT card is so much more respectful than the old method of physical food stamps which publically stamped 'welfare' on people's forehead.

Posted 1 year ago #
MrJT
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Gotta back The House on this one. If you stand in the checkstand long enough, you can spot em a mile away.

At least now they do not have the opportunity to line their 4 kids and their 3 friends up with penny candy and a $1.00 food stamp. They get their 97 cents back, and then Mom who is behind them all has plenty of cash for a pack of smokes or booze.

The sad part was seeing people that really needed them, and would make the most of what little they got. It always burned me that they struggled so hard to make it work, while the others were using what they "deserved" so callously.

Posted 1 year ago #
acemotel
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+funkietoo +miws +dawsonct !! And the people in WA state STILL can't bring themselves to tax the rich. That's the real shame. The # of people who abuse social services is nothing more than a blip on the screen compared to the SCREWING being given to the "middle class."

Posted 1 year ago #
funkietoo
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Acemotel...you are so accurate

Posted 1 year ago #
JanS
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generalizations...not everyone on food stamps is out to game the system. I wish people would stop with that assumption. If you saw me at the grocery store, you'd not know that I qualify for food stamps (but don't get them). You all who are ranting may need to use them some day - you have no idea what might come down the pike. And then...see how it feels to have people say nasty, discriminatory things about you.

Yes, I'll admit that there are people who abuse the system. When you are perfect in your life, come back and bitch. But until then..thank you because you're a taxpayer? Oh, please. We all are..even those on food stamps!

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/retailers/eligible.htm

alcohol, smokes, not on the eligible list. And , I understand that they are not supposed to get cash back, since they now use a card, just like a debit card, that simply records the transaction. The alcohol, smokes are on their own dime. The candy? Eligible, since it technically is listed as a food.

Posted 1 year ago #
TheHouse
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Simply amazing.

I stopped pounding my head into brick walls about a year ago, so I won't continue the debate. I appreciate being able to post my rant as many of you are allowed to do so on WSB.

I also hope to see Bonnie & Rarelyever reprimanded for making personal attacks against me, which does violate this sites rules.

This topic is something that has always made me upset (dates back to when I worked in a grocery store) and I simply shared my feelings. If you don't like it, tough. I have the right to my opinion the same as you and I posted it in the correct spot.

Posted 1 year ago #
Genesee Hill
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House:

I have had my posts deleted several times for good reason. I do, however, suggest that when you "rant", that you be a little more specific.

Your post:

You didn't thank me for your groceries since I'm a taxpayer and paid for them.

You're welcome though...I know you and the dude you were with are working hard to get off those bennys!

What WAS the problem? Bennys? What in the hell are those? Benefits? Benzedrine?

Posted 1 year ago #
metrognome
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hmmm ... is this a bad time to mention that those of you who have had children in the Seattle Public School system over the past 20 years or so owe me several thank you cards to recognize all the property taxes I've paid so your kids could get an education??? Does that include you, House?
Also, if you post your address, I'll be happy to send you the one cent worth of your taxes that went to pay for the stuff bought by the people you are complaining about.

Posted 1 year ago #
miws
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Okay, House, you made your yearly Visit WSB Forums Stir the Pot Get the Responses You Likely Knew You Would Get Come Back Later Cry "Waaaah, Unfair! They're All Picking on Me! I Demand Comment Deletions!" Gather Up All Your Toys and Go Stomping Back Home thread.

See ya next year! *Waves*

Mike

Posted 1 year ago #
Diane
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Mike, you are so awesome, and hilarious

Posted 1 year ago #
GenHillOne
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So absoLUTEly right on, Mike. FTW!

Posted 1 year ago #
JanS
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Mike...we love you soooo much :)

Posted 1 year ago #
RarelyEver
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i'm so proud of you guys!!! *sniff*

Posted 1 year ago #
dawsonct
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You have the right to your own opinions house, you don't have the right to your own facts.

Posted 1 year ago #
Bonnie
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Delete my comment. I don't care. Not everybody on food stamps is a bum. That's my point. What do you think about all those kids getting free lunch at school? Many of the schools in West Seattle have over 50% free or reduced lunch. Are you going to rant about the kids too?

Posted 1 year ago #
dawsonct
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Also, I think maybe you stopped pounding that brick wall a bit too soon. Didn't seem to have any positive effects.
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I would also appreciate a thank you for the percentage of my tax-dollars which went toward the development of ARPANET, without which you wouldn't be able to share your bitchy attitude with a large, anonymous online community.

Posted 1 year ago #
dawsonct
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Well Bonnie, according to Rush Limbaugh, they could be perfecting their dumpster-diving abilities. Dead-beat children with their socialized public education.
Safe, healthy, nutritious food is just for the privileged few you know, sort of like affordable health-care.

Posted 1 year ago #
Cait
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OMG! It's 2008 Election Troll Reunion night!! When can we expect to see NewResident back?! *jumpy claps*

What brings ya back 'round these parts for the traditional dead horse beatin', House?

Posted 1 year ago #
dawsonct
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The usual impotent, misdirected outrage.

Posted 1 year ago #
TheHouse
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Wow, man. You people are beyond insane.

So, I posted an opinionated rant? I didn't post it about any of you and here you go literally attacking me.

I wonder if any of you DBs would say any of this to my face where you don't hide behind the shroud of WSB? If you would, I'd gladly debate you in person.

This whole troll bit is a cop out. If I was looking to stir the pot, I would have started a topic under politics or general talk. I was simply pissed off at seeing 2 people abuse the system. I even stated above that I don't have an issue with EBT for people that NEED it, but your minds are too damn clouded with HATE to even read that.

Anything I post here, I'd gladly say to your face. Especially things like cry baby and stating that I'm attacking the weak like an abusive parent. SERIOUSLY???

If you don't like what I say, do what I've done to all of you the past year....DON'T SAY ANYTHING.

Posted 1 year ago #
RarelyEver
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wow, totally shut us up, dude. heavy.

Posted 1 year ago #
redblack
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If you don't like what I say, do what I've done to all of you the past year....DON'T SAY ANYTHING.

no. that's not how i roll.

it seems to me that you're the one who stopped debating the issue and started debating people once you got called out for posting what is widely viewed as a callous comment.

so, care to address any of the myriad of relevant replies to the OP? and maybe do your own b.s. filtering by ignoring personal attacks?

or is mike correct in his assessment?

Posted 1 year ago #
SarahScoot
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TheHouse, you gave absolutely no details of what you actually observed that was so egregiously abusive of the EBT system. Was it the mere fact that these people were using the "bennys," or were they purchasing items you deemed "too good" for people of their lowly status? Or was there some other violation, like they were both wearing clothes you think cost too much, or did they dare to look too groomed, or did they get into a car you think is too fancy?

These are the reasons I hear people cite most frequently to justify lashing out at "welfare queens." You were too lazy in your original rant to even throw out one of these examples. Next time, at least add that you watched the woman pull her EBT card from her Louis Vuitton purse, then load the groceries into her 2011 Cadillac Escalade. Oh, and don't forget that she was buying lobster and champagne - nothing else!
Maybe then we'll have more sympathy and not attack you.

Really, though - one cannot judge another's situation by an observation at a grocery store. I usually eat pretty healthfully, but every once in a while I want something "junky." Most recently I went to QFC to pick up a Diet Coke and some Tim's salt & vinegar chips. Would it be fair for someone to assume that those are the only items I ever buy at the grocery store? Absolutely not. Thus, it's not fair for you to assume anything about the people you saw paying for their purchases with an EBT card.

Again, I have no clue what behavior you think you observed, given that you gave us absolutely no details, but you may also consider that the people you saw using the card were not necessarily the people who receive the benefits. Bonnie gave one example of this: foster parents are given EBT cards to offset the cost of feeding an extra mouth. The family may be financially comfortable, but the state does add this "benny" to alleviate some of the financial burden of fostering. The person receiving assistance could also be immobile or sick, and family or friends are buying the person's groceries for him/her, using the recipient's EBT card.

Really, there are so many possible scenarios that it's just not fair to judge without knowing more about the situation. And unless you work for our state's welfare office, it's not your right to judge. If you have evidence of abuse of the system you can report it, but watching two people one time in the QFC grocery line does not count.

P.S. I would absolutely say all of this directly to your face. I do not put up with this kind of ignorance and will do everything I can to explain to the person spewing such misinformation why, exactly, he is wrong to make such assumptions. Many people are just parroting what they hear their favorite conservative pundits say, and are easily persuaded to view the other side of the scenario; unfortunately, I am pretty sure your opinions are deep-seeded and aren't budging.

Posted 1 year ago #
JoB
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TheHouse...

You like public subsidies when they go to large corporations...
Your industry has received their fair share... including the last major give away for smart phone providers by the FCC...

But when individuals receive assistance you think that's wrong..
that people down on their luck are abusing the system and taking money out of your pocket.

got news dude... i am not so happy about taxpayers contributing to your salary either.
but until now i have been too polite to tell you so.

btw.. i think it's pretty ironic that you of all people would accuse other people of not being willing to say what they had to say to someone's face.

You know for a fact that i will say anything i have to say directly to your face..
while you ... well not so much.
You'd rather ridicule from the safety of a site where the person you attack doesn't speak back.

It's sad to see that another year hasn't made your comments any wiser.

Posted 1 year ago #
TheHouse
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@SarahScoot, thank you. You seem to be one of the more intelligent posters.

Let's consider a few things, first and they I'll address your questions.

1) I posted this in RANTS. I wasn't attempting to open this to debate. Like I said, if I wanted to debate the topic, I would have posted a question. I will explain what I saw, but don't need to justify it on a rant forum.

2) The people assuming that these people are "needy" in some fashion are doing the same thing I did (assume), but worse. They didn't observe the couple, their actions or what they were purchasing. I did. The fact that people are assuming without any information at all is worse than my original rant. Without all of us digging into their financial situation, we'll never know with 100% certainty. Note that I never attacked ALL people using EBT cards, only the ones that I saw that were abusers. Everyone put words in my mouth so to speak.

3) These people were dressed like thugs (more like gang members), purchased non necessary items, had wads of cash in their hands, were making alcohol purchases (not with EBT) and generally acted and spoke like they were lifelong members of the government benefits program. Yes, I am making multiple assumptions but after my observations working in grocery stores I am well aware that abuse goes on.

4) My worldview is that people should only use these benefits in extreme situations and should be working to remove themselves from that program as quickly as possible. In addition, if you need to receive benefits from the government you should be required to only buy the basics for sustenance and positive nutritional value. You should not be allowed to purchase anything non-essential. You are not entitled to use these benefits unless you have exhausted all other viable options. The worldview that many of the posters above appears to be one of entitlement. Their comments make it seem like it is a benefit of living in the United States and that as many people as possible should take advantage of it.

5) You state that I should not make judgements unless I know the entire situation. If we're in a court of law, you're right. But we're not. I observed and inferred. Plain & simple. Many of the posters after me, did the same damn thing with me. No big deal unless you call me an a-hole or compare me to a child abuser.

6) My rant has nothing to do with Wall Street, corporate corruption or the price of oranges. Why bring this into the conversation at all? Do two wrongs make a right? No, they don't but this thread if rife with that philosophy and double standards.

7) I was a very poor college student putting my way through college. I worked in multiple positions in two grocery stores while I was in college. I saw people abuse food stamps and then EBT cards on a daily basis. IT DOES HAPPEN MORE THAN YOU THINK. I thought about the people purchasing steaks and lobsters with food stamps while I was making $7.50 per hour working and not using food stamps. I thought about them long & hard when I was eating my 99 cent can of soup for dinner. I think about them now as well. I also think about how lazy our society has gotten and it's pathetic.

There is greed at the top of major corporations, but there is also greed in your own backyard. Neither one is good and one isn't worse than the other.

If you want to discuss further, I will make myself available at any local bar to discuss in depth.

Oh, and JoB - I am willing to say plenty to your face. I met you 1, possibly 2 times about 3 years ago. It's been a long time, baby and I have plenty to say to you. I just haven't run into you. But it's good to know you're a fan of the other site! ;)

Posted 1 year ago #
JoB
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TheHouse

"My worldview is that people should only use these benefits in extreme situations and should be working to remove themselves from that program as quickly as possible. In addition, if you need to receive benefits from the government you should be required to only buy the basics for sustenance and positive nutritional value. You should not be allowed to purchase anything non-essential. You are not entitled to use these benefits unless you have exhausted all other viable options."

no.. you're not against all needy people...
you just think they should give up all rights to choice because they need assistance.
they should never celebrate a loved one's birth or finding that proverbial job or ....

has it occurred to you yet that even gang bangers..
if they were gang bangers..
have family?

that the woman you criticize may well have kids at home that still need to be fed?
and that the man accompanying her may not be her partner?

You're a salesman...
You know what they say about assumptions House.
they make an a.. out of u and me

As for meeting you...
LOL... I don't think so.
I have nothing to say to you House that i can't say in replies to your comments here ...

"It's been a long time, baby and I have plenty to say to you. I just haven't run into you."

really?

it was evident from our last encounter that you don't understand that comments that are rude when uttered to a woman your own age or younger... are disgusting when uttered to a woman old enough to be your mother ...
and equally evident from your current remarks that your manners haven't improved.

Why on earth would i want to meet with someone with so little respect for other people?

I am no more your fan
than i am of the sites you where you chose to ridicule me and what i stand for.

In fact.. the day your little group of friends claimed ownership..
i stopped going to my favorite beer hall...

hubby can and does drink their beer on tap at work :)

You vastly over-rate your importance to me House...
even as an annoyance.

Posted 1 year ago #
dobro
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"Yes, I am making multiple assumptions..."

Mostly ignorant, uninformed,baseless,and, to some people, offensive ones. So, since your rant is so fact-free and assumption-based, as you readily admit, why should anybody give a sh*t what you think or what you say?

Posted 1 year ago #
funkietoo
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@28 Metrognome. LOL

I have been paying taxes since I was 18 years old. Since I have no kids that I know of and vote for every single school levy, tens of thousands of kids or their parents should be sending me thank you notes! Wow! Cool!

Oh..no..wait, that's right, I support public education--having graduated from the Seattle School System and the University of Washington. Plus...I believe we should provide three healthy meals to children, K-12, every. single. day. It's tough to learn on an empty stomach or when one lacks proper nutrition. Healthy food and a good education. Pretty. Basic. Needs.

FYI: 80% plus of Denny Middle School's students are on free or reduced cost lunches. This is just one of the reasons why, when I teach Junior Acheivement Curriculum (as a representative of my Company), I request a public school like Denny.

@thehouse
1. Wow, man. You people are beyond insane.
--No, I'm not. Just a different point of view and set of solutions to try to level the playing field and provide opportunities to everyone possible.

2. @SarahScoot, thank you. You seem to be one of the more intelligent posters.
--I agree, SarahScoot is intelligent. So are a lot of other posters.

Posted 1 year ago #
dawsonct
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Okay, so let me get this straight, it is alright for thehouse to make ASSumptions about other people, but other people aren't allowed to judge HIM(?) without all the "facts?"
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I guess from an absolutist moral perspective, stealing a penny is equal to stealing billions and billions of dollars and actively destroying American society and turning us into a two class oligarchy, but I would disagree with that equivocation.
It's a shame they have managed to fool so many people like you.
Those people at the check-stand who you know absolutely nothing about other than what your bias tells you, are doing FAR, FAR less to subvert your standard of living than are the corporatists who control your apparently simplistic little mind.
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Air your laundry in public, you know....

Posted 1 year ago #
JanS
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ah, yes, perceptions....I remember meeting a guy named Jon at a fundraiser, had a pleasant conversation...and was reported back on here by said person that all we did was bitch. Yes, it's all in how one perceives things. They were dressed like gangbangers? So what? Now people have to dress a certain way to meet your standards? Did you really, really think that people would back you on this? Really?

Posted 1 year ago #