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Rant - Charleston Cafe


  1. I've lived in WS for the past 12 years. I had always meant to check out the Charleston Cafe, as I had heard reasonable things about it. This past Sunday is the first and last time I will ever visit that restaurant.

    In short, the control-freak seating people (who I was told by an employee is the owner) was rude to me and to a few other customers, I witnessed. If I hadn't made prior plans (along with all the driving-directions drama) to meet some non-WS friends there, I would have turned around and walked out. I'm still irritated that I didn't, especially since the breakfast was extremely average...

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  2. dawsonct
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    Take a Denny's, privatize it, and raise the prices about 20%, and you have Charlestown Cafe, although they DO have okay clam chowder.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  3. WesCAddle
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    WesCAddle

    They are very mediocre no doubt. But "driving-directions drama"? Really? If someone has trouble navigating to Charleston Cafe I really feel for them.

    The best breakfast cafe in West Seattle (IMHO) was Admiral Cafe. Now it's a Bank of America.

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  4. Wes..loved Admiral Cafe. Yummy breakfasts for not a lot of money. One of the tellers who works there finds it ironic that he used to eat breakfast where he now works.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  5. dawsonct
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    Second that WesC. I used to go there frequently with friends who lived in the area before I wised up and moved here myself. I recall being absolutely crestfallen when I moved back here about 3 years ago and found it closed. I hadn't heard anything about it closing; what a shock. I miss those big Admiral Cafe breakfasts. I'm kind of hoping the people taking over the Benbow will take those reigns. I like Easy St. (a bit overpriced), and Be's is acceptable for the bare basics, but nothing over here right now fills the gap like A.C. did.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  6. ws4ever
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    Just returned from eating a breakfast burrito at Endolyne Joes: Yummy and $5.00. Huge serving. Did I say it was great? They had 5 breakfast specials, each for $5.00!

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  7. Extremely average pretty much sums up my opinion of Charlestown Cafe; I really wanted to like it more because it's such an institution in the area. I didn't live in WS early enough to experience the Admiral Cafe, sounds like I missed a winner. Circa, Easy Street, Fresh Bistro, and Spring Hill all have good breakfast offerings (with quite a range of prices/offerings amongst them, but good service all around).

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  8. I ate at the Admiral Cafe one time and I think my (ex) boyfriend and I were the youngest people in there by at least 40 years. I don't remember the food being all that fabulous and wasn't sad to see it turned into a Bank of America. I haven't eaten at Charlestown Cafe but might have to give it a try after reading these comments...you never know until you give it a try.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  9. maplesyrup
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    maplesyrup

    The Admiral Cafe had these really nice elderly ladies running the joint. Food was pretty good and reasonable too.

    Haven't been to the Charlestown Cafe in years, mainly because the last few times we went the service was unbearably slow.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  10. dawsonct
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    The point of the Admiral was not "fabulous" food, it was big, hearty meat and potato and egg breakfasts after a night of over-libating or before a big day of yard-work or running off to the mountains for a hike. Nothing remotely elegant, but always perfectly serviceable, non-ironic diner food. I miss it.
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    And CMP, spending a few minutes of your day in the presence of a few old coots is hardly a privation.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  11. dawsonct
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    By the way WSBloggers, does anyone know WHY the Admiral Cafe closed down? Did their bank revoke their line of credit? And which bank was it?
    -
    A conspiracy waiting to be uncovered!

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  12. bsmomma
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    bsmomma

    I agree that The Charlestown is just ok. WAY over priced. I want to say it's over 10 bucks for the Hawaian Bread french toast. And it's dry. Really? I'd actually prefer Denny's over them anyday. Jaks is a bit pricey BUT so worth it! Does anyone remember the California Ave. Cafe? I think they had the best omlets! Wasn't the Admiral Cafe Websters prior? With all the choices we have for a good breakfast, I think the Chelan is great! There Irish Omlet is yummy. B's is great for good cheap food.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  13. Before it was the Admiral Way Cafe, it was Mr. Ed's.

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  14. By the way, it's "CharlesTOWN Cafe". "CharlesTON" is a place no self-respecting Seattleite should be spending their money.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  15. swimcat
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    Hmmm, I have yet to find the perfect breakfast place in Seattle, much less all of Seattle. I really like the food at Geraldine's Counter and it would be perfect if it was a buck or two less for an entree (and even closer to WS!).

    Easy Street is good because it has low prices- definitely get what I pay for.

    JaK's used to be good- has anyone else noticed the quality/service has gone down in the last couple of years or is it just me???? And prices went up. They have a decent brunch menu though and think the prices for it are reasonable.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  16. Veteran Wisdom
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    Veteran Wisdom

    I know it's not in West Seattle but I really enjoy the breakfast at Smarty Pants in Georgetown! Large portions and heavy handed pouring for my Irish coffee is a winner in my book...

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  17. Yes, it is the CharlesTOWN Cafe and pronounced that way. Also, the CharlesTOWN Cafe is located on CharlesTOWN Street. But that, for some unexplainable reason, is pronounced CharlesTON. Very confusing for a newcomer. I was corrected many times. "It's pronounced CharlesTON, NOT, CharlesTOWN." I guess it is a quirk of the neighborhood. You just have to live here a while. :)

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  18. Chelan Cafe is my favorite and only. The food is average but some specials can be quite good and all priced just fine. The wait staff are adults and work their buns off. It's a working class place and if you are alone, even on a busy Sunday, you can get a seat at the counter and have a conversation with a neighbor. It's always clean and a super plus for me...no mismanaged screaming children to annoy you!

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  19. m: I second you on Geraldine's Counter

    KBear: What do you have a against Charleston? That's my hometown and it is a lovely city if you've never been.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  20. flowerpetal
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    flowerpetal

    What happened to all of the Charlestown Cafe fans who moaned when the restaurant was closed for several months? And, OP, you did not tell us what the result of taking your complaint to the management was. That's a rule in posting a rant.

    I have friends who live on Charlestown, and that's how they say it. Never have I heard it pronounced Charleston.

    Lastly, speaking of Charleston. I'm not sure what self-respecting Seattlelite has to do with not spending any money in Charleston (I presume S.C.)

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  21. flowerpetal
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    flowerpetal

    I wondered when you were going to chime in Christopher. I came to Seattle (and I am now a self-respecting Seattlelite) from down the road from Charleston... in Beaufort S.C.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  22. OK - first of all - no one's gonna speak up on behalf of the Charlestown?!?!? (Restaurant and street both pronounced CharlesTON in my experience.) It's mediocre, the waitresses don't bother you and it's generally friendly. I think they're so busy half the time that they'd rather just serve you half-happily instead of kissing butt and ignoring other tables (especially weekends and mornings!) I don't understand why everyone LOVES Easy Street by the way - as if it isn't lower quality food. I like the ambiance - the food is meh and the help is not that great. I've never been flat out IGNORED for over 45 minutes at the Charlestown before... happened to be twice at Easy Street. Not going back.

    I think people expect over the top service these days - it's really ONLY their job to take your order, serve your food and fill your water. That's all you should expect and the point of anything else is to make you feel special - but no one ever does any more because we EXPECT a smile along with all of our other implicit and explicit demands. Anything you get on top of mediocre is icing on the cake and deserves a tip, but no one sees it that way anymore. I just can't understand how perfectly normal, courteous people turn expectant and entitled the second someone presents them with a menu.

    Case in point - anyone thinking that Jak's has in any way gone downhill. They are always over the top with service and the food is fantastic. You pay for it, but you get impeccable service. Those waiters know every single wine, every dish, every dessert and they're always so knowledgeable and friendly.

    Now Charlestown prices ARE a little steep - but they also use a lot of fresh seafood which is pricey and there are very few dishes that don't involve fresh, seasonal fruit which can be pricey too.

    It's a West Seattle institution... I think that if they're skating by a little it's because they're so busy they don't NEED to tip-grovel. I guess that changes the restaurant power structure a bit, huh? Lol. It isn't going to keep people from going there and it sure won't stop me.

    And I'd also like to know who at the Charlestown you filed a complaint with since you did post a rant...

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  23. OK, for all you people who wanted to know if I filed a complaint at the Charlestown. No, I did not. If you want to know why, please read on...

    I entered the place thinking my two friends may have already arrived. Being it was my first visit, I had no idea they had a 'all in your party must be present to be seated' policy. I spoke with an employee of the restaurant, and told him I was meeting some people who may have already arrived. He invited me to have a look, so I turned to scan the south side of the place and when I turned around to have a look at the north side of the restaurant, an older guy was practically standing on top of me, asking how many in my party, I started to tell him, and thought I could save us both some time by telling him I had already spoken to an employee, which I gestured towards. He snaps at me, "Yahhh, I know. I'M THE GUY. How many in your party?"

    'Three', I tell him, 'but they may already be here...'.

    'NO, they're not', he cuts me off,'HAVE a seat' and uses my personal space against me to back me into the waiting area, which I was ohhh, about 2 feet from.

    Not, 'Please have a seat and wait, as all in your party must be present before we seat you'.

    I didn't come in with an attitude, the employee I initially spoke to was friendly, and we spoke cordially again, twice, before I left.

    While waiting for my friends, I heard him ask people if their entire party was present, if not he snapped at a few 'You'll be seated after everyone is here'.

    I'm on board with the policy, it doesn't have to be so rudely delivered.

    An older m&w couple came in, who answered 'two', when asked. The older guy motioned, and started walking. They started to follow, not quickly, not slowly and he snapped 'Come on!'. It wasn't delivered as a joke. While I waited for my friends, I stood where I wasn't in the way, and even opened the door for few people who came in and I thought could use the assist. The older guy told me twice to 'Have a seat' or 'sit down'. Was I glaring a bit, by this time - you bet.

    While waiting, I again encountered the young employee who I first made contact with when coming into the restaurant. I asked him who is the older guy? Host? Owner? 'Owner' was the answer, and I commented "I don't need anymore of him", to which the employee smirked, and nodded his head in agreement.

    It was in that moment, I decided I would not be returning to the Charlestown. No need to speak to someone in charge. The person in charge was speaking volumes with his actions. The lackluster, slightly overpriced breakfast was just the cherry on my Sunday (yes, Sunday, not Sundae).

    I found the three members of the staff I encountered (other than the owner) hardworking, friendly, and personable.

    Now, I wasn't going to waste my time voicing my opinion with the owner. I'd seen enough, and had formed my opinion.

    For what's it's worth, my friend who waited with me while we waited for our other friend, was watching him, and agreed he was brusque with some of the customers, perhaps not all.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  24. bluebird
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    It should be expected to receive mediocre customer service? I don't think so. Don't know of any business that thrives on that model besides the DMV.

    I gave Charlestown two tries. Not worth a third.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  25. I believe the rules of posting a rant are that you must of contacted the management and let them try to rectify the situation. You chose to take no further steps on your own which is your right but it still does not follow the rules of posting a rant. I do find it a little bit odd that someone would live here 12 years before going there.

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  26. OK, if them's the rules, them's the rules...

    Admins, please delete my post.

    Ol'Mom: The Charlestown is in my backyard (WSeattle). Alot of people have lists of 'Someday I'm going to visit...' that they may eventually get around to. Come on, many of us have had that conversation with other Seattleites about not have visited a tourist spot, park, etc, until friends or family came to town... if ever... My list happened to include that restaurant.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  27. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    I've never been to Charlestown, either, and have never had the desire. I don't think it's crazy that you'd never been before. I still haven't been to some of WS's best restaurants; hadn't been to Buddha Ruksa until last month, and I've lived here nearly four years. It's easy to overlook or "forget" about a restaurant, despite how many good things you hear about it.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  28. bluebird
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    Just out of curiosity, to everyone scolding the OP, how do you suggest resolving this? It was the owner treating customers rudely. Can't exactly go above him.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  29. I always thought Charlestown's eggs benedict was pretty good. The hollandaise doesn't taste like it was made from a mix...
    I was wondering the same thing, bluebird. What would the owner's response to the OP be?
    "I felt you were rude to me." "No I wasn't" "Yes you were!" "No I wasn't!" "This isn't an argument it's just contradiction!" "No it's not!"
    But I don't think that's what the OP paid for. ;-)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

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  30. Just to be clear I said "bit odd" not crazy.

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  31. The "mediocre service" thing is a question of supply and demand - let's be honest here. The DMV doesn't HAVE to be nice to you because you and every other driver out there HAVE to come back if you want to drive a car. McDonalds employees don't HAVE to be nice because one day you will be stuck on an interstate in Small Town Nowhere America with the only place left to eat... a McDonalds. Not to mention MILLIONS of people will eat there again (as they remind you on the sign) and though their business model SAYS they have to be nice, most of the time they aren't. They are the DMV of food, if you will.

    By the same token - you will probably pay 8 prices at Jak's Grill because the food is amazing and the people are nice. You really cannot have it all and maybe Charlestown fills the niche of people who are just happy with acceptable all the way around. I can deal with surly waiters (try NY sometime?), I can pay a little bit more than I'd like to and I'll eat food that is just enjoyable but not over the top. Why? Because when you want to just sit there and enjoy some simple food and have the waiters leave you alone long enough to have a conversation (oh and eat the best clam chowder in America years running) - you go to places like the Charlestown. At least those of us who grew up with it do because if nothing else there's a community feel there... again the DMV factor but I don't think they're abusing it. They can just get away with not being stellar 24/7.

    And let me be clear, I do NOT think they are the DMV of diners. The waiters keep the water coming, they are pleasant without grubbing for tips and they let you substitute 8 million things without complaint.

    The owner being rude - OK, I'll give you that. But it seems that turned your rant into something completely different. Every single person in the service industry has a bad day - and you must have caught him on one. He can be gruff, but I've never had an issue with him in the 18 years I've been going there. He's given about half of West Seattle's youth their first job - there's a feat right there. (Props to Husky's for employing the rest of them! :)

    And I don't know how hard it would be to pull the guy aside (or hell, write a note on your receipt) and tell him "Hey - I didn't appreciate the way you snapped at me." He's a business owner, not the troll under the bridge.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  32. christopherboffoli
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    flowerpetal: I'm definitely here to represent for the entire South Carolina Lowcountry...certainly one of the most intoxicating places on earth. I'm afraid that if anyone disses my beloved southland I'm going to have to call them out. Pistols at dawn. :-)

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  33. Christopher, you've probably figured out what I was referring to by now: Your "other hometown" has just stolen several thousand jobs from our area. But I guess that reflects more poorly on the ungrateful bastards in Chicago than it does on the good people in Charleston. I'm sure the Charleston Cafe (if there is one) is very nice. Cheaply built airplanes, on the other hand... probably not a good thing.

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  34. WesCAddle
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    WesCAddle

    Okay folks...Trivia time:

    1. Go grab your Pearl Jam Vs. Compact Disc
    2. Open up booklet to "Elderly woman behind the counter in a small town"
    3. Note picture of waitress and background.

    Yup, it's the Admiral Cafe, and that is the waitress that worked there up until the end. I forget her name now, but she was always a sweetheart when we went in. Loved that place....

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  35. My dad's strange, but usually reliable, advice on restaurants: go where the old people and cops go.

    This rule applied to the Admiral Cafe for sure. 'Twas awesome.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  36. christopherboffoli
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    KBear: Ah, sorry. I obviously didn't get your reference to current events.

    Unless I am mistaken, isn't the first 787 line remaining in Everett? It's not like they're closing down the 787 production entirely to move it to CHS. They're just adding another line there, right? Wouldn't an East Coast plant help to better serve European customers and further eat into Airbus' market?

    I have been disappointed all day today with how South Carolina has been portrayed in the local press. True, the demographics of South Carolina are very different than Washington. But the deep south stereotypes are grating.

    Charleston is a gem of a southern city with excellent colleges like the Citadel and the College of Charleston, the latter of which was founded in 1770 and educated several signers of the Declaration of Independence as well as Robert Mills, the architect who designed the Washington Monument. At one time Charleston was one of the most important colonial port cities in the US in which fortunes were made in shipping and rice. It was the birthplace of the historic preservation movement and still features thousands of well preserved 18th and 19th century structures. It has a vibrant culinary scene to rival Portland and Seattle, not to mention some of the most beautiful beach and golf resorts in the world. Each year in May it hosts the Spoleto, an international arts festival that features the world's best symphony, jazz, theater, ballet and opera.

    Until the Clinton Administration it was home of one of the largest naval bases in the US (including a large nuclear submarine base). In fact, Charlestonians were building and operating submarines in the 1860's (during what they call the War of Northern Aggression). The US Navy still maintains some highly technical nuclear technology centers in Charleston. There is a huge amount of highly-skilled engineering talent in the area as a result. Not to mention all of the talent from all of Charleston's former civilian shipyards.

    The Port of Charleston is also one of the largest container ship ports in the country and the Charleston airport (and Air Force Base) is a vital air freight point for shipping to Europe, vital to the Air Force during wars of the past couple of decades. In fact, for many years the CHS served as the air freight entry point for Porsche North America. And since the mid 90's BMW has had a huge auto plant in the state.

    Believe it or not, Charlestonians are not in fact the banjo picking, mouth breathing, Red Staters that they are being portrayed to be by certain Seattle journalists who have never been there.

    Plus, it's governor doesn't just have affairs with local talent, but with exotic mistresses in far away places (when he's not hiking the Appalachian Trail). Surely that's gotta count for something. :-)

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  37. I concur with the reviews. I brought out of town family there for my first time visit since I had heard some good things - man, was I SO embarassed I brought them to that sub-par Denny's.

    I frequent Circa (cozy), Eats Market (urban fancy), Luna Park (best food), Skylark (funky) and Endolyne's (greatly improved lately!) for some great breakfasts.

    In fact, going to Smarty Pants today, Geraldine's on Saturday and Skylark on Sunday. Yeah, umm...I love brunch - can you tell?

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  38. beachdrivegirl
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    beachdrivegirl

    charleston cafe gets a big thumbs down from me. I have tried it twice and never been impressed. Jaks or Luna Park are my two faves. Both places I get exceptional service which is nice when you are paying for food that most could make @ home.

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  39. we tried Charleston for brunch a few times earlier this year. It was...meh. Not raving great, but it wasn't horrible either. It's what I would call (and no offense meant here) an "old person" restaurant. It's someplace I would take the BF's 93 year old Grandma - it's predictable, and has something for everyone.

    If we're going to get up and out on a Sunday morning, it better be raving great. Which is why when we skip cooking at home we either do Skylark (ZOMG their Bloody Marys) or Jak's (ZOMG!!! it's an Eggs Benedict made with Filet Mignon, people!!)

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  40. Gee, Christopher, defensive much? Actually, I consider banjo picking to be one of the South's great contributions to American culture, though I never associated it with Charleston. Union busting, on the other hand, not so great.

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  41. I would also like to add that I had the Crabcakes Benedict at the CharlesTOWN Cafe recently, and they were fabulous. Yeah, it looks like a Denny's. Yeah, there were a lot of senior citizens there. (But hey, they know where to find a good breakfast!) And I can't complain about the price 'cause it was way more food than I should have eaten by myself.

    Posted 2 years ago #         
  42. me on 28th Ave SW
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    I really like the Charlestown Street Cafe. Probably the main reason is because when I go there it's to order the same thing, drink some coffee and visit. I've gone there for years and I guess it's the kind of comforting touchstone a person migrates to when they want something stable in a changing world. I do understand the quandry for smikes; sounds like the owner's behavior was pretty bad. Perhaps he should have put himself in time out? Really, the complaint was about HIM not the business itself. I like the suggestion of saying to him that it wasn't appreciated, but as a lifelong Seattleite (pretty bad at conflict and correctly enunciating the words "Charlestown" and "West Seattle") I can understand not speaking up. And special props to Wes C Addle for reminding me about the picture in that CD.

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  43. Spring Hill. Awesome amazing in every way. GREAT brunch killer prices. Haven't been for dinner, yet.

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  44. dawsonct
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    Yeah crow, sure, but I think we're talking about two different demographics here.

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  45. Went to the Hangar Cafe for the first time this morning... LOVED it.

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