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Please watch for Pedestrians


  1. Hi, I'd like to voice a reminder to please be watchful for pedestrians waiting for an opportunity to cross. I cross California Avenue (in a marked crosswalk) every evening to get home, and at times am appalled at the disregard of drivers. I do make sure I'm seen, and sometimes have to resort to waving my arms to catch the attention of drivers. What I won't do is step out hoping cars will stop...I just make it known that I'm trying to cross by being off the sidewalk but still a safe distance from the traffic lane.

    Please, please, consider ped safety as you're zooming along. PLEASE!

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  2. If only drivers would learn the law.

    It's not just marked crosswalks you're required to stop at, but EVERY intersection where a ped is waiting to cross is a legal crosswalk.

    So this means every intersection along California folks, stop with the stink eye when I'm crossing and you have to stop for me.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  3. Irukandji
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    Irukandji

    True, any corner is a legal crosswalk. I know I've gone right by peds waiting to cross, seeing them wrapped in gray and black, standing next to a gray car on a black road. Yay for pedestrians that wear something, ANYTHING, that sets them off from this muted landscape. If you can be seen, I will stop. Honest.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  4. If you can't see pedestrians based on what they're wearing, or the color of the street, or the weather, or what time of day it is, or the season, or the color of their hair, or the app you're using on your cell phone, you should not be driving. Honest.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  5. angelescrest
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    angelescrest

    Sorry, Austin, but I disagree. When we wear our black down jackets over dark pants with our dark hair and walk with a dark dog, we become pretty invisible where there aren't street lights and there are cars. For that reason, I just bought a new down jacket in a sugary light blue; not my favorite, but the light's spotty down here on Alki and I want to be seen!

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  6. Irukandji, I agree - it can be hard on a dark night, when it's rainy, to actually see the pedestrians in dark colors. And I'm actively looking for them! It's gotten to the point where I won't drive past 25 mph on Califoria at night because there are so many pedestrians that are being passed by cars, simply because they can't see them. As a person who's a pedestrian more than a driver, I try to make myself seen as best I can, including carrying small flashlights.

    However, one thing that does make me crazy are the pedestrians with a death wish - dashing out in front of moving cars, expecting me to slam on my brakes, and especially when they're crossing mid-block (and I'm not talking the Junction crosswalks) - people who don't wait to see if the car sees them and is stopping, because of a sense of entitlement that they have right of way. Yes, you do. But if my brakes fail or I don't see you for some reason, you will get hit. My dad always said "right of way doesn't get you anything if you end up dead."

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  7. I will take the ticket.

    I watch marked crosswalks carefully. I can still be surprised by people peering out from behind 6 ft tall SUVS as I drive by but for the most part I catch them all.

    But I will no longer stop for those in unmarked crosswalks on I35 or the 3 and 4 lane sections of other arterials.

    Why?
    Because while not all WS pedestrians are as dumb as rocks, enough of them are that I will play the odds with a ticket rather than contribute to their suicide by stupid.

    Scenario one: I stop for family in unmarked crosswalk on California. They walk out into street, NEVER ONCE glancing at traffic on other side of the street where one car is slowing and another is passing in the turn lane. I blow my horn and the parents grab children and retreat.

    Scenario two:
    I see a car slowing for a pedestrian on I35 near Juneau. This is the same spot a highschooler was hit last year. The setup is the same. Car in right lane stops, I stop behind them and cars in the next lane keep coming. Cars in the oncoming lanes keep going as well since they can't see beyond the SUV that is turning left. At this point the pedestrian has enough sense to give up and walk a block to the marked, signal lit crosswalk to safely cross the street.

    Even on two lane arterials. (Manning) fully 10% of the times I stop for people crossing at unmarked corners on two lane streets, they refuse to look at the oncoming lane when crossing.

    Ya just can't fix stupid but you can refuse to contribute to it.
    I will not be a party to setting up this potential fatality again.

    And in this era of "Urban Camo" as a fashion choice, not seeing pedestrians is not as hard as it once was. If your wearing a bright green coat in spring or a maple leaf red raincoat in the fall, take a little more care when crossing the street and all of us will be better off.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  8. Irukandji
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    Irukandji

    @Austin: eye/brain function is naturally set to notice contrast and movement - stillness and camouflage make once less visible. For reference, please see most of nature. Also, there's a reason safety vests and crossing flags are usually orange, yellow and/or reflective: safety. There is a reason a bright red or yellow car will catch one's eye (or get that ticket) while a gray car is less likely to do so.

    So, drivers stop for peds they can see. I don't know a single driver found guilty of murder or manslaughter for hitting an essentially 'invisible' pedestrian. There is a level of personal responsibility on ALL sides.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  9. still..

    it's not the pedestrian's responsibility to make themselves visible to drivers distracted by their cells phones, the radio, their pets, the kids in the car, the argument they just had, their lingering work issues, what they plan to cook for dinner, fatigue, their frustration at the car ahead of them that just stopped in the road, etc...

    while i agree that pedestrians increase their chance for safety when they wear something bright... it doesn't help much as much as you might think when drivers are paying attention to everything but what's on the street ahead of them.

    dark clothing is a poor excuse for not paying attention where pedestrians are present.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  10. Irukandji
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    Irukandji

    "while i agree that pedestrians increase their chance for safety when they wear something bright... it doesn't help much as much as you might think when drivers are paying attention to everything but what's on the street ahead of them."

    DUH.

    No one is suggesting that pedestrians need to flash tits and wear Christmas lights to get the attention of idiot drivers. Smoking, cell/text use, traveling with children and listening to The Mountain simply ought be primary offenses.

    All the same, there will be idiot drivers, attention does matter, visibility conditions are a factor, and laws exist. Roll the dice as you see fit.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  11. Wearing something colorful hasn't seemed to make much difference.
    Yes it may help with the car in front it doesn't do much for the car that decides to go around or for the one coming the other way .. and they can see a stopped car

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  12. Irukandji
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    Irukandji

    That's the idiot factor, completely beyond the control of the sane.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  13. singularname
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    I don't think anyone ever really "gets" how minorly illegal they drive--myself included--until they have a kid. Rolling stop signs, 5 miles over the limit, at the limit when conditions indicate otherwise, beating a ped to the corner because of not wanting to wait, etc. I think one should get a "natural selection pass" until 18.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  14. singularname...

    nothing like a kid to point out everything you do wrong.. especially once they get their hands on a driver's manual...

    don't worry about outliving their criticism
    they reproduce and in my experience grandchildren are every bit as diligent as the kids...

    i can hardly wait for the great grandkids to get old enough to give me grief.

    Posted 1 year ago #         

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