TheHouse
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I'm simply interested in hearing someone refute these comments on Obama.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGNjOGM1ZTNiNWNjMTAwZDMzY2UzZTk3MGMyYWM2ZDQ=
1) That he claimed he was part of the banking committee.
2) That he received major funding from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
ellenater
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Ok, I'm gonna totally screw this up, but here goes:
After the debate I saw a news segment (might have been CNN) and they were discussing if what the candidates had said were true. From what I can remember, Obama was involved with the committee and attended one of the meetings. McCain, who was bringing this point up had attended none of his. What I personally got was that Obama wasn't lying about his involvement but may have exaggerated. And McCain didn't specifically say he had attended his committee meetings but he did try to make Obama look bad on this point, which is hypocritical.
I don't know about Freddie and Fannie but do remember hearing some rumors about BOTH candidates.
Hope this helps. :)
I'm just wondering if there is another source of info besides Kevin Hassert, who has ties to McCain, and, of course, would be a bit biased.
"(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He is an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.) " Someone who, perhaps , is not involved with either side in this contentious campaign.
Now, take this for what it's worth, just a little jab (not a serious one)...how about refuting McCain's running mate's Foreign Policy experience because of her state's proximity to Russia ;-)
I don't know enough about this particular committee to refute anything..a shame we weren't flies on the wall, huh...then we'd know for sure.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? My opinion only, but I think that a whole lot of people had their fingers in that debacle, not just Obama, McCain, etc. The deregulation goes back even before the Bush Administration. None of them are innocents..just one persons opinion :)
Obama is not on the senate banking committee so you can decide he either lied to make himself look better, or say he misspoke. His campaign claims he *meant* to say my bill, not my committee.
An Obama spokesman tells CNN “it was his bill, not his committee,” referring to the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act that the Illinois senator sponsored and introduced in May 2007. The measure was then referred to the Banking Committee, and passed a vote of 19-2 on July 17
and there was this...guess it's good to admit your mistakes, huh :)
UPDATE: An Obama spokesman tells CNN “it was his bill, not his committee,” referring to the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act that the Illinois senator sponsored and introduced in May 2007. The measure was then referred to the Banking Committee, and passed a vote of 19-2 on July 17.
now, about that McCain gaffe about the surge timeline ...
acemotel
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regarding #2: John Green, Wayne Berman, Arthur Culvahouse, Charlie Black, Aquiles Suarez, Campaign Manager Rick Davis (whose firm was paid $15,000 per month "consulting" fees until last month) http://tinyurl.com/3tva5r , just for starters...
acemotel
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Also: Mark Buse and William Timmons, and this just in: http://www.newsweek.com/id/161218
Cait
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I think if you really wanted to refute these statements and not cause an inflammatory argument you could have used Google.
However, I am always fascinated by my party's vehement protection of Obama. Thanks for letting us exercise our arguing muscles, House! :)
beachdrivegirl
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I am confused....what does NR have to do with this post? she didnt even post here...
Cait
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Ooops, I was posting in response to NR on another thread just a second ago and made a bit of a typo. Consider it edited!
Cait
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BTW - about the article you posted? Did anyone else notice the tab on top labeled "liberal fascism"? Biased and inflammatory. I'll stick to factcheck.com thanks. You may just want to type your inquiry directly into that website.
TheHouse
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I'm glad all of you Obama lovers are screaming victory over my original question. Not one of you refuted the statements, rather you deflected. JT came the closest in post #4, but that's an excuse to cover up his original statement.
Rather than refute the statements most of you deflected to bring up McCain.
Instead of using Google, perhaps most of you should use Dictionary.com
Obama has actually received the most from fannie/freddie employees since 2005. $112,000 compared to $16,400 for McCain.
So in response to your request, those statements can not be refuted.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-trailmoney9-2008sep09,0,4818879.story
Actually, it can be refuted...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/19/fact-check-did-obama-profit-from-fannie-and-freddie/
The total listed for Obama is $126,349 — a tiny fraction of the approximately $390 million his campaign has raised, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The list shows McCain has received a total of $21,550 from Fannie and Freddie employees. The list includes donations of at least $200 from those who receive paychecks from Fannie and Freddie. It also includes donations from political action committees — pooled contributions from employees. Obama decided early in his presidential run not to accept PAC contributions, but the Center for Responsive Politics’ list includes all contributions for members of Congress dating back to 1989 — including Obama and McCain’s Senate campaigns.
The New York Times has published a separate list looking at contributions from “directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac” for the 2008 campaign cycle. That list — using figures from the Federal Election Commission — shows McCain receiving $169,000, while Obama received only $16,000.
Explaining the difference, the Center for Responsive Politics said on its Web site that it does not include members of the board of directors because they could serve on boards of various companies. Their contributions are listed along with other employees of the companies they work for. And the center says lobbyists usually represent multiple clients as well, so their contributions are listed under their lobbying firms — except in-house lobbyists, who are included in the center’s list.
So, Obama received more donations from Fannie and Freedy employees. McCain received more from Fannie and Freddie directors, officers and PACs. In the end, McCain received slightly more than Obama - but in both cases the amount received was a small fraction of the many millions they have raised for the election and extremely unlikely to sway either's decision making.
Well that was informative Huindekmi. Thank-you for correcting my information. Now we have to determine how TheHouse defines *major* contributions and if he considers it relevant that McCain has received similar amounts.
vincent
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Man down to referencing the National Review, house how far you have fallen, thats like quoting the Onion at this point.
Serious I know your all LIBERALS BAAAAAAD THEY SPEND YOUR MONEY AFTER TAKING IT WITH TAXES.
So far all the republicans in office have done is spend even MORE money without funding it.
PS: I don't necessarily care for liberals either but some of these OH MAN OBOMO IS A SMOKER AND TOOK MONEY FROM THIS ONE GUY retorts are pretty weak.
Cait
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House, I think it's pretty obvious that he meant to say "his bill" not "his committee", in which case it would have easily been a correct statement and more contextually sensible. If we wanted to line up the things that McCain has flat out lied about I suggest you check out the non-partisan factcheck.com. This is not deflecting to McCain, as I just "refuted" your claim that "Obama lied" - but let's make an effort to be fair here as well.
By the way I'd like to see how we would fair if we had cameras on you 24/7 monitoring everything we say. He's a human, we cannot expect him to be perfect or act perfectly.
There is a difference between misspeaking and lying and it's a matter of public record that he's not on that committee and he knows that. This being the only time that he has made a false claim like this, I believe it's obvious that he misspoke and did not lie. Keep grasping at those straws though.
"The New York Times has published a separate list looking at contributions from “directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac” for the 2008 campaign cycle. That list — using figures from the Federal Election Commission — shows McCain receiving $169,000, while Obama received only $16,000." - The NY Times.
All that without a visit to dictionary.com! Google it, and then exclude anything so biased as to have a "liberal fascism" tab. You'll find that you get a much less inflammatory view. Hope to see you on the "Refute this statement about McCain" thread.
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