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"Occupy the Courts" Actions ~ Jan 20 & 21


  1. The January 20 event is at the Federal Courthouse at 11 AM.

    The January 21 event is at Westlake Center at noon. It will be followed by a march to the Federal Building.

       

    Both events should be pretty lively, since so many people are so pissed off about the influence of money on our political system.

    Or at least, people say they're pissed off . . . But are they pissed off enough to get up out of their easy chairs, get on a bus, and come attend a public meeting?

    Guess we'll find out, won't we?  

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  2. csw2119
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    csw2119

    Great DBP! I'm glad you posted this flyer here. This event is at the core of the Occupy Movement!! Those of you who think it's all about tents, drugs, hippies, conflict with police, IT'S NOT!!!

    Every American should be behind this idea, how else will we get real representatives who vote for OUR needs?

    Please come out and show your support. I believe this is a national event.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  3. Yes, I was told by the organizers that this is a national event.

    Here's an "official" news release from the Get Money Out of Politics (GMOP) workgroup. In PDF format.

    http://roominate.com/blogg/peace/occupy_the_courts.pdf

    I'd just like to echo what csw2119 said by reminding folks that getting money out of politics is neither a liberal cause nor a conservative cause.

    It is the People's cause.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  4. kootchman
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    Does that include the labor unions too? I am not for unilateral disarmament. Ban big labor from their war chests of influence peddling? What about individual donors? Gonna restrict the size of those contributions? Y'know the $50,000 per plate dinners? And the issue is dead on arrival if we have public campaign finance... I don't need to pay to be lied to or be compelled by tax to promote anyone else's point of view.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  5. SeekingEuros
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    What started out as a worthy demonstration, Occupy became something that, those like me who are serious about this issue, want no association. I am surprised that the term is on this flyer, as I won't go near anything that sez occupy.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  6. kootchman
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    Good luck since the Supreme Court decided they are.... I would say the chances are as good as goose shot passing as pate'... a constitutional amendment ain't in the cards. Sorry DBP not this year... too much at stake, we need every nickel of every corporation to beat the Obama billion dollar babble express. BTY how is the occupy movement going? Strong as ever I hope.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  7. redblack
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    redblack

    horse feathers, kootch.

    let's limit campaign donations to $100 - period - and see if "big labor" wins the fight.

    corporations outspend labor 10-1.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  8. kootch...

    the real irony in your statement is that the rights of labor unions and non-profits were the crux of the argument that was used to get Citizens United passed through the supreme court.

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  9. SeekingEuros

    if you are getting your information about what is happening in the occupy movement from the press.. you are likely getting an inaccurate picture.

    Although you might not like your cause being mentioned in relation to an organization that the press has painted as a bunch of drugged disaffected young people too lazy to get a job,
    you shouldn't ignore the impact that the demonstrations those "kids" are creating have had on public conversation about the issues "they" take up.

    this issue transcends politics...
    or at least it should if our political process is to have any meaning at all

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  10. csw2119
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    csw2119

    Seeking Euros, I understand exactly what you are saying, I felt the same way. I was at Westlake every Sat. in Oct. and Nov., then I felt Occupy Seattle was going off the rails. I withdrew. A couple of weeks ago, I read that Occupiers were going to do a Q&A at the West Seattle Library; this would be my opportunity to speak my mind. I went to the meeting, stated “I felt the movement was off the rails” and why. OS agreed there were some issues, and suggested that I join a work group, that focused on specific issues. There was a woman in the group who said she felt the same as I did, and decided to join the work group “Get Money Out Of Politics” (FYI there were about 40 West Seattleites present). Since money in politics is my focus in the Occupy Movement, I went to the meeting last Sunday. To my surprise there were about 40 people, the vast majority was middle class baby boomers. It was very educational, these people are engaged!

    Redblack, I agree that there should be a cap on all contributions, $100, $500, $1,000??

    Kootchman, you asked, how is the movement going? (I think I heard a little sarcasm in your typing ; ) The movement is only 4 months old, it’s very fluid, but spring is around the corner, I think you will see it’s supporters and activity increase. Until there are serious changes in our country, I don’t think you will see OWS/OS stepping down. The movement doesn’t have all the answers, but it sure has a lot of questions that has most of us thinking, “how can we make things better”. Also, you have to give them credit for doing SOMETHING. Before Occupy, many of us (myself included, just sat back and thought/said “ ‘THEY’ better do something to fix this country.”

    Job mentioned that the movement has started people talking, and you can’t deny that. People are pissed and demanding change. I don’t agree with some of OWS/OS’s idea’s, but I feel I have to look past some of the juvenile behavior/statements, and watch it evolve and support it.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  11. kootchman
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    Horsefeathers... lots of people were doing lots of things long before Occupy. Some people are talking about it... but not as many as you believe..unless someone has screwed up traffic or interfered with the day... and those are not supportive words. Calling it a" Movement" is a bit of exaggeration..but we will see. No unilateral disarmament... as long as there are campaign dollars there will be corruption. Obama without his 50K per plate dinners? That's all he does.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  12. I think the national Democratic and Republican machines are equally discomfited by the prospect of limits on campaign spending. But most discomfited of all are corporations, pressure groups, and labor unions (yes, labor unions), who get the most benefit from the current system.

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    SeekingEuros said:

    What started out as a worthy demonstration, Occupy became something that, those like me who are serious about this issue, want no association. I am surprised that the term is on this flyer, as I won't go near anything that sez occupy.

    SE: Not to cast aspersions on your sincerity, but since you claim to be one of those who are "serious about this issue" I'm wondering what exactly you've been doing to demonstrate your seriousness.

    I've heard this kind of I-don't-wanna-get-my-hands-dirty-with-these-people talk before. It's usually what folks say when they're looking for an excuse to stay in their easy chairs and keep grousing.

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    As far as the word "Occupy" being on the flyer, that seems only logical to me. When you organize something, I believe you're entitled to put your name on the flyer . . .
     

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  13. In the spirit of the Occupy movement. If you want unbiased coverage of live events please bookmark Tim Pool http://Timcast.tv He is an independent live streamer who I watched for about 10 hours when the NYPD came to evict the OWS people out of Zuccotti park. He streamed live from his phone basically doing a play by play when needed. He shows whats happening as its happening warts & all. This is grass roots citizen broadcasting with no slant pro or con. He will post to Twitter when he goes live follow @Timcast

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  14. kootch...

    you need to get out more.

    Occupy Seattle will be in West Seattle again soon...
    you should go see for yourself.
    you might even find a tea partier or two there
    there was at least one at the meeting at the library..

    csw2119..
    i attended that meeting too:)
    yes they certainly are young and idealistic...
    unless of course they are old and idealistic...
    i saw some pretty aged fingers twinkling long before that youngster explained what the twinkling was all about :)

    i don't think i have the patience to sit through their assembly process...
    but i can understand why they find it so validating...

    one thing is sure
    veterans of that process truly understand the difference between majority rule and consensus.

    Quite frankly..
    that is worth any irritation or impatience i might feel with their process.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  15. kootchman
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    Just got back JoB.. all around town... didn't see anyone occupying anything, anywhere. Not yet JoB... not until they have a movement, punctuated by some actual reality. Stupid stuff like the 99%... not at all the heart of the problem.

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  16. kootch...

    and where exactly did you expect to see an occupy demonstration Kootch? was there one announced locally that i missed?

    and how would you know whether the occupy movement was punctuated with any reality when you don't think the 99% is real?

    they have a website you know.
    let you fingers do the walking

    Posted 4 months ago #         
  17. kootchman
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    Yawn...... saw it.

    Posted 4 months ago #         

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