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Occupy Seattle!

Started 7 months ago by Jiggers
Latest reply from olive.and.june

Jiggers
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as i said a few weeks ago, it's only a matter of time before it catches on here.. Fight the good fight people!

article,
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016411868_westlake06m.html

Posted 7 months ago #
Bostonman
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Just do it without breaking the law.

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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Bostonman...

so.. you expect people in Seattle to somehow be able to occupy any public space without rain shelters?

is that your do it without breaking the law moment?

if you can't stand the rain.. go home?

is this like the 20's dance-a-thons?
let's see who can stand holding an umbrella the longest?
do they get bathroom breaks? I so hope so.

LOL.. you do tickle me today.

Posted 7 months ago #
Bostonman
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I didn't say anything about not having shelter. They are occupying a public space on a 24 hour basis which is why they will get an eviction notice. I can't set up a tent in Ercolini park and live there 24 hours a day either.

Other than that protest to your hearts content.

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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Bostonman...

they are not living there..
they are protesting there.

there is a huge difference.

ever participated in a sit in?
not much living going on.

in fact, to be perfectly honest..
except for brief periods of excitement
like when one of my best friends met her future husband
it's about as entertaining as watching pain peel

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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some enterprising young reporter ought to do a story on the local food vendors reactions to the protesters:)

Posted 7 months ago #
MTM
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You can also send virtual support:

http://www.marchonwallstreet.org

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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MTM

yes.. you can:)

Posted 7 months ago #
Bostonman
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If it was legal they wouldn't be going through the action of forcing them out.

Have I ever participated in a sit in? Um no. Not for the reason I haven't cared about something but more about the fact that I have worked my whole life and don't have that luxery. I have responsibilities to keep up with. I guess its a good thing people with nothing to do all day exist so they can go protest something.

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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I love a good protest. But, do note that the grass roots Tea Party was .. a Koch Creation, racist gathering, rednecks, ... etc etc... but to a a rally they were law abiding...did not block access to public transit or interfere with people going to and from their places of work.. and they had a message... What a contrast! Now, we will see the depths of their commitment... the weather will tell. Wait until the first snow in NYC... Seattle too. I fell on the floor laughing..JoB you have outdone yourself this time! we now have to provide shelter for self described anarchists.?? God I hope the don't find out "Big Oil" makes hot showers and heated space possible too... I am going to quote you for weeks on that one! we have to make anarchists comfortable too? Next we have a city department for Anarchy Comfort.. and a user tax or fee buried somewhere to support it.. Truth is..aren't they disturbingly familiar to the Greek protestors? The diff in this protest and the "sit-ins"? The sit-ins were against the order... these are to support the current order and this administration. These are the ones with the rejected resumes.

Posted 7 months ago #
365Stairs
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This is going to get way ugly soon...Seattle WTC riots ring a bell (they made a movie about it).

Has NYSE, or any size bank, or any corporation done anything different in the recent weeks since this started?
No...

other than they probably are going to spend more on security...which will turn into increased consumer prices.

"We The People"...was never "Us Versus Them"

This will not accomplish anything. Ugly...

Posted 7 months ago #
Jiggers
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to me it takes people like these who may have not had the best education, but they have balls, guts and believe if they do something about it they would be heard instead of laughing it up like here behind a blog like we do. i don't know how you can not ignore the fact how bad our country is right now. if you don't want to believe it then that's you. the facts are there in the numbers how bad we are economically. one thing for certain is that you can't pull the wool over my eyes.

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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Jiggers.. Street Fighting Man.. Rolling Stones..Beggars Banquet album...crank it up. LOUD... or U Tube it if not in your collection.

Posted 7 months ago #
Jiggers
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fresh news...

article,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44791261/ns/us_news-life/

Posted 7 months ago #
Bostonman
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http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

If that is their list of demands they will be sitting in those tents for a long time lol. Better them than me. At least when I go to my boss with a list of items they are attainable.

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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MSNBC is saved..! They needed something to fill dead air space. They are milking this cow into a state of journalistic mastitis.

Posted 7 months ago #
Jiggers
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I agree with several of those, but good luck with the rest of those demands...lol

Posted 7 months ago #
Cait
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I'm sorry but all the people I saw interviewed on the news today had NO CLUE why they were there. Not great PR for the cause. It really make it look like a charlie foxtrot out there...

Posted 7 months ago #
redblack
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365stairs: it's been us-versus-them for over 30 years. hell, this country was born in the bloodshed over us-versus-them.

and us is losing. again.

Posted 7 months ago #
redblack
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bostonman: from your link:

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

Posted 7 months ago #
Ken
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In Seattle as it is everywhere else, any protest soon attracts the fringe.

However, also as everywhere else, getting arrested also soon attracts the news media which had been ignoring the entire protest.

Tactics and strategy are not the same thing.

Posted 7 months ago #
elikapeka
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I think a lot of people are underestimating this movement. This is a true bottom up movement, so no, it's not well-organized or well-funded. There are no paid-for buses and signs and PR firms and funding like the Tea Partiers have. Plus the Tea Party bunch was mostly older people who were trying to hold on to what they have - I see the Tea Party as a basically selfish group of people who got theirs and don't much care about anybody else.

But this is different. There is a real underlying discontent that is growing in our population every day. Our business and political leaders have become more and more divorced from society at large. People no longer feel economically safe - the institutions and philosophies that used to work, such as getting a good education, working hard in your chosen career, buying a home and investing, having a pension that will be there when you retire, are no longer a reality for the majority of the population. There are not just young kids at these protests. I've been in Westlake and seen people of all ages and backgrounds, including some in suits.

I think there's something happening here, to quote an old Buffalo Springfield song.

Posted 7 months ago #
TDe
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"I'm sorry but all the people I saw interviewed on the news today had NO CLUE why they were there. Not great PR for the cause. It really make it look like a charlie foxtrot out there... "

Right. The movement isn't well defined. But here's the thing: People are frustrated and angry because politicians aren't doing the job they were sent to DC to do, the country remains divided and going nowhere fast, too many are still looking for jobs, the rich get richer and the middle class is rapidly becoming poor and that all seems to be OK with our politicians. Infighting has become the governing norm, a large number of our elected representatives are more than willing to take our money for their salaries and provide mostly for themselves and the wealthy, while they pay no attention to regular working folks out there who are paying for all those salaries and health benefits... not the mention the nice gym Congress gets to use.

So, people are taking to the streets to voice their complaints. If regular folks continue to be ignored, don't be surprised if frustration boils over and becomes a little more like the WTO mess a few years ago.

And if it all does gel around one issue at any point, you might see a 60s type movement develop that was very effective at the time, but also tremendously ugly.

Posted 7 months ago #
sydney
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Whenever the mainstream media covers a demonstration, several things are likely to occur: they'll pay attention to the looniest, for ratings and to make the vast majority look foolish by association, they'll be sure to focus on violence or law-breaking, which when it's investigated is often provoked by law-enforcement officials themselves (as in the police waving protesters onto a bridge and trapping them there); and they will avoid actually talking to leadership or showing the actual sweep of the protest. On top of that, they are actively putting them down, trying to initiate "groupthink".

I see that the board of trade building has a banner displayed in its windows which reads "we are the one percent", proving that they do not care a whit what happens to the other 99% when their businesses gouge the crap out of 'em. Remember when 'usury' and 'gouging' were criminal? I do!

I'd like to point out that Erin Burnett, a talking Barbie doll on CNN, is the daughter of a corporate lawyer, and used be VP at Citibank. She is engaged to the president of Citibank. How is she a "journalist"????

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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I would like to point out that the occupy Wall Street movement has garnered enough attention to warrant a question at the White House briefing this morning.

Obama did a poor job of answering the question...
but he did a great political tap dance over it.

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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Bostonman...

you really should attend a demonstration for something you believe in before labeling those who do as as irresponsible.

you would be astounded who you meet at a demonstration.

if i still had the energy and stamina to do so i would join them... and i am far from irresponsible.

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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The looniest are the most fun to watch. Now Elkipedia.. this is a bottom up movement? Labor is involved, MSNBC has nothing good to report so they are playing it like a worn out fiddle. Keith Olberman has made it his devine mission to make this turkey fly like a Great American Eagle... it;s a buncha frustration.. and it plays so nicely... "99%" think they have a "1%" demon. This is a generation where 8 out of 10 couldn't find Iraq on a map... they have no clue what to do... and frankly, neither the depth of knowledge to even know who did it to them, or what to do about it.. the sloganeering is cheap, pointless, and ineffectual but has the advantage of "simple and easy to understand"... "they" did it. Blame "them"... This is such fruitful ground for a Jay Leno episode of "Jay Walking"...

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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Protest is the spice of democracy... however capsaicin is but one of the spices... do protest, do so wildly... but if you want "street cred" quit bitching about the spices. It is part of protest... without it, it's just a dull gathering. Man up!

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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Sydney... so..your beef is she is good looking? I love it. An educated woman, from a wealthy family, accomplished business woman, and you slam her creds? You've come a long way baby!

Heck we have a tall handsome man, Harvard educated, elitist schools, lazy Senator, no business clue, no military clue, you call that a President?

Posted 7 months ago #
Smitty
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Please, please PLEASE keep interviewing these people.

It is wonderful entertainment and does nothing but confirm conventional wisdom.

God bless whoever thought up occupy wall street!

Posted 7 months ago #
hoffanimal
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Kootch, keep stirring the pot. You just described your friend Bush league, except he was a govenor not a senator. How do you deny the concentration of wealth that is going on in this country? I am guessing you think it a good thing. Funny that the right wingers talk about being good christians out one side of their mouth and then any social programs are just communist entitlements. At least pay for your wars dude, or maybe even put them on the books.

Posted 7 months ago #
redblack
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smitty: 'cause only smart people know what's really going on.

am i right?

anderson vanderbilt - now that guy is in touch with the people.

Posted 7 months ago #
elikapeka
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Yes, Kootch, from what I can tell it is a bottom up movement. Yes, union members are showing up. But the unions themselves did not start it, organize it or fund it. It seems to be organically growing, at least to me. MSNBC is reporting on it, of course, like every other media outlet. They'll concentrate more on it just like Fox concentrates on the tea party folks.

And "sloganeering"? The right has done a great job of the two or three-word slogan. It's been a very effective tool for them. You get media attention with sound bites. It's just the way it works.

I can remember some pretty stupid tea party people being interviewed too. Not everyone in any group is well-spoken and articulate.

Boy, this is really touching a nerve with some of you, isn't it?

Posted 7 months ago #
chrisma
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3 minutes of video of an articulate, well spoken participant in the Occupy Wall Street movement, being interviewed by a Fox News Reporter. You may have caught a clip of this if you watched Stewart last night, but I didn't see it on this thread and seems appropriate to post.

I especially like that last 30 seconds or so, and I think you will too kootchman.

http://youtu.be/6yrT-0Xbrn4

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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This fledgling movement... is a lot bigger than most of you seem to realize.

and while it may be trivialized in the national press...
that doesn't mean it is trivial.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-protest-map

yes, i know this is from mother jones...

but you might find the maps and other info entertaining...

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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this "movement" btw...

is what happens when you energize a generation of young voters and then fail to fulfill the promises made to them.

they get expectations...

and not for some looney tune universe either...

just for one where they have a fair chance to succeed.

Posted 7 months ago #
anonyme
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chrisma - great vid clip. Interesting revelation about Faux News.

I hope this movement becomes HUGE. The revolution is long overdue.

Posted 7 months ago #
sydney
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If a conservative woman is good-looking and sits on the corporate side of things, she is eligible to parrot the right-wing's talking points. In Erin Burnett's case, she is also a banker & daughter of the WORST sort of lawyer, an apologist for big business.

Small business is human, necessary, wonderful, all that. Big business has too much power since it sends us to war and colludes to squeeze all the juice from us. Why does Kootchman support them?

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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sydney...

better yet.. why have so many jumped on the these kids are lazy good for nothing party animals without a work ethic bandwagon?

"Those kids" ... the ones our parents were sure were destined for abject poverty...
laid the groundwork for the technical revolution that currently defines our society.

they are the parents who produced the kids who turned fledgling sciences into blockbuster businesses.

they are the grandparents of those kids who had to mortgage their futures to attend college because the top 1% has sucked the wealth that once paid for those educations out of the middle class.

they are the great grandparents of children just now entering the education system... the children who are the hope of our national future.

those who tried to trivialize the youth of what we call the 60s weren't right then.

and the jump on the bandwagon belittle them crowd is unlikely to be right now.

Posted 7 months ago #
Jiggers
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I just wonder after observing them yesterday, if they actually know why they are protesting. There was a couple of small groups, maybe very early twenites or younger One group was beating on a conga, but they weren't making sense. A blonde young, very young girl seemed to like the attention she was receivng by swaying her body back and forth while mumbling something out loud. They don't realize how stupid they looked and sounded. I guess when I was that young, I made an ass out of myslef at times too without realizing it

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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jiggers...

i think it is a given that young people often seem to be making an ass out of themselves to older people:)

as for knowing why they are there...
i think there are two questions..

why are they there?
they are there because they are dissatisfied with the status quo

what do they want to accomplish?
I don't think they currently have any better answers to that than the rest of us

but they do know that what is happening economically in our country right now isn't right

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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Oh yea.. all that business experience Obama had... none? And his attendance record as a Junior Senator? One of the worst. He was a clueless liberal idealogue and he stacked his entire cabinet with the same. You infer or assume Bush was more preferable, he was not. Take your lumps. On this the 10th anniversary of Afghanistan, a war in which the current president now has spent more money on than the former. I see the Gitmo indictments started yesterday... wasn't BHO going to close that facility..AND end the wars, and create a kumbaya kinda world? The cards are falling. Fast and Furious is getting uglier everyday, we have an attorney general that has perjured himself, damning evidence over Solyndra (one resignation so far) .. of course we have Occupy Wall Street..ANYTHING to distract the public... using those Chicago type ACORN "community organizer tactics.. Occupy DC is paying demonstrators, that's grass roots alright. Wall Street is hurt..hurt because of ALL the campaign money they gave the DNC and they seem downright ungrateful. You have no idea who your enemy is. Well from the 53 per cent that carry the rest... we will be hiring when this is all over ... be patient. Got a few things to repeal and a few elective offices to secure first. JoB I think you have the chronology off a tad.. like two generations off. These kids are so helpless and confused because they are used to eternal handouts ... they don't have the resilience. When Jimmy Carter was fumbling.. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and the supporting cast members were busy making and creating new opportunity. Ah these "revolutionary" protestors.. this is the generation when queried, 2 out of 5 could not identify the three branches of government. MSNBC is covering this... of course they are...no one watches them for any other reason.. BTY Happy Birthday FOX news.. 15 years old today... the #1 watched news programming 10 years in a row! Fair and Balanced ...

Posted 7 months ago #
waynster
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Do I detect a jealous streak among our tea party followers? Gee this movement is growing faster and even bigger then the tea party.... class warfare you bet.... just what the republicans and tea party didn't want or need. Why the middle class the poor and minorities outnumber them and tend to vote for democrats...... going to suck being upper midlle class rich and tea party 1% in 2012 the 99% will take back from greedy wall street bankers and corporations who think they can buy their way into the white house and congress... the true americans will rise up and take a stand.... its just the beginning

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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Ahhh the envy...hot, smart, and conservative... bet she shaves her armpits too. The witch. Got some news for ya... there are very astute, smart, accomplished people who like conservative politics..if I wanted to hurt my eyes... I suppose I could watch 'Rachel"... now there is a real sharp tack. A dumbed down version of Olive Oil... Whatever happened to gender solidarity? Measuring the daughter because of her father? Huh? Most people who do become successful trend conservative.. no news there.

Posted 7 months ago #
kootchman
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They already bought the White House waynster,,,, wanna see a federal election commission statement for Clinton, Shumer, Obama, Dodd, ... ?? Ahhh yes... I am not in the 1% ... don't lump me in the fictional 99 per cent.. 78 per cent think this administration is on the wrong track. Just cause ya keep repeating it... don't make it so. The middle class detests the left. They are not in your corner...they know who takes from them...

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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Kootch and waynster...

you two keep slapping one another on the back..
it warms the cockles of my heart to see you two whistling in the dark...

that Cain fellow.. he agrees with you too
isn't that dandy...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cain-tells-occupy-wall-street-protesters-blame/story?id=14674829

while his remarks headline the article...
you might want to read a bit deeper...

there is actual meat here.

the only problem with common sense is that it is no longer common

Posted 7 months ago #
365Stairs
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No...certainly not trivial...but close to it unless they get some real direction - regardless of big Union on makeshift pulpits.

The social impact of this is huge...great facebook and tweet fodder...But that only lasts for about 5 min. and is old news...trumped by Michael Jackson's trial and Amanda Knox's next shopping trip to South Center... when they finally get the picture these little sit ins have a further damaging impact - financially and emotionally - nobody wins! Sure...they will say..."I was there man"...."I fought hard for change man"...but...what really got accomplished?

We are leaderless...because we are the people...and don't need any direction...we will follow each other to the end......because Leaders suck!...(of course they do...but certainly not all of them)

Winters coming...anger only takes you so far...this will die out by Halloween...but the face paint will look good then...

And no matter how much news they get...or house floor attention they receive...it will not accomplish a thing...except cold hands and feet...and lots of questions about "What did I just spend the last month of my life out there for?"....

Even in 2012 when more Hope and Change come about...there will be something else to fight for and yell about...and sit...

"Momma always said...stupid is as stupid does".

There is wrong all over the place...I certainly don't have answers...but this isn't one of them.

Sadly...several of those corporate leaders and politicians that all these folks are yelling about...were the same folks yelling and screaming about Peace Love and Real Change in the 60's...

I guess...never ending story.

Posted 7 months ago #
JoB
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btw fellas...

is name calling the best you can do?

comments about witches, armpit shaving and measuring a woman by her dad?

ladies... are you listening to what these guys say when they think they have support?
you should be.
this is the real face of the tea party

Posted 7 months ago #
TDe
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Well, I think Herman Cain just might be right. Maybe we are to blame for our circumstances so let's gather ourselves up by our bootstraps, band together, take to the streets and fix our democracy. And quit heaping scorn on young people for recognizing that things are wrong and trying to find ways to fix it. At least they are trying to do something about it.

Are you saying that nothing's wrong? What are you doing to fix anything besides making snarky comments on the Blog? Rise up... take it back. Do you think that only making snarky comments will change anything? And by the way, would you heap the same scorn on your wives and mothers and sisters that you are willing to heap on female American public personalities? Do you think that writing to your elected representatives will change anything - or has changed anything? What seems to work? What worked in the past? What has worked in other countries?

Unfortunately, taking to the streets in mass to terrify entrenched institutions seems to be the only way to get the attention of politicians. Please enlighten me if you can think of any other way. I'm all ears...

Posted 7 months ago #
waynster
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Ok Job point taking true just a fyi kootchman would be the last one I would slap on the back in the dark for I fear the knife he might use on mine lol Nor have I ever said anything bad about women and politics could they be the real tea party....women do vote more then their male conterparts...oh also the supreme court opened the door to corprate spending in elections and it didn't take long for the right to jump in kootch if I remember that happen in 2009 obama pointed it out during his state of the union and a consevative justice shook his head saying no it won't so who bought what in 2010 mid terms.....

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