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New Pemco personality? "Prius-Driver-Who-Needs-Two-Parking-Spots" guy/lady?

  • Started 1 year ago by SarahScoot
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  1. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    I pulled into a busy Trader Joe's parking lot today, Jan. 12, around 11:00 AM. Spaces are at a premium. Scouting around for something that might be empty, I come across this at the rear of the lot:

    But hey; no babies left inside!

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  2. Did you check in the trunk?

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  3. funkietoo
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    either the person has no idea how to park/drive, or they are terrified the someone may bump their precious car. If that is the case, don't own a car that you're worried about.

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  4. Filbert
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    I've found that there's usually enough space left by the driver's door to park my motorcycle.

    The best part, if they want to have a discussion, I get to call their precious prius a gas-guzzler (compared to my 70+mpg).

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  5. I'm not surprised. Most Prius drivers can't drive well and they clearly can't park well either. But hey, they're saving the environment!

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  6. furryfaces
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  7. Semi-off topic; earlier last year, when I first moved into transitional housing in Pioneer Square and was using building elevators and escalators to avoid the hills to get to the library, I came up with the idea for my own Northwest Profile; "Hill Avoiding Guy".

    I considered offering the idea up to the insurance Company, especially since one of the building I regularly shortcut through has, in recent years, taken on the name of an insurance company.

    I even poked around, on occasion, their website, and Google, hoping to find out where I might propose this idea.

    Literally months later, I realized the Building I was cutting through, was Safeco Plaza, (the former 50 story Seafirst Building) and the NW Profiles company, was Pemco.

    Mike

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  8. Rainier
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    Haha miws, that's a tactic that never would have crossed my mind!

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  9. Hey, just cause I'm from the east coast doesn't mean I drive *badly*, CMP.

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  10. Filbert you may out MPG a hybrid however that is only half the battle, the other half being emissions.

    Since they have the ability to travel without emitting toxins into the environment, then they have one up on you.

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  11. I drove a Prius for many years and never took up two spaces. I now drive a Fiat 500. Larger rides somehow feel it necessary to block me in. Can you please stop that? Thank you.

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  12. Filbert
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    Nobody that parks like that will ever have one up on me.

    Good news, though, you win the smug-off!

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  13. sbre: how does that work? Emissions come directly from burning fuel. How does miles-per-gallon differ from miles-per-pollution?

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  14. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    My husband at one point printed out a stack of "you park like an ***hole" slips on which one could check off the transgression, and leave the slip under the offender's windshield wiper. It was mostly a joke, and we never actually used them. Finally I tossed them in the recycling a few months back.

    But for this person... I would have used one.

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  15. I Wonder
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    That ranks right up there with parking rants about people not knowing which way to turn their front wheels when parking on a hill.
    There is a great store in Fremont that has those note sticker "compliments" for all sorts of practices, hillarious!

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  16. SeekingEuros
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    Greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions are calculated per gallon of fuel. Criteria pollutants, such as CO, Ozone (VOC and NOx) are based on the engine cleanness. Criteria pollutants are the ones you breath. Motorcycles are one step above lawn mowers/ leaf lowers, which (unless electric) are worse.. That Prius beats the motor cycle hands down, except for GHG.

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  17. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    To clarify: two-stroke engines are bad in general when it comes to emissions.
    Four-stroke engines, which some motorcycles do have (my scooter included, and yes, a scooter is a motorcycle) are just as clean as cars. And my 150cc scooter gets ~100 mpg.
    Unfortunately I have not been on my scooter in quite some time, due to pregnancy and now having a young infant...
    Hey, anyone want to buy an awesome scooter? ;-)

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  18. mmm, good point about two-stroke engines. My claim that miles-per-emission and miles-per-gallon only works for engine/exhaust systems that do complete combustion, so that the exhaust is all CO2. Which a car typically is.

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  19. happywalker
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    happywalker

    Arrogance, plain and simple. No two ways around it. Same people that cut in front of you while driving after you have waited your turn because they can.

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  20. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    Filbert, I realized I neglected to express my pleasure over your initial comment in this thread. It earned a big out-loud laugh from me. I will be thrilled if I ever see you (or anyone else) do that!

    Speaking of motorcycles and parking spaces: ever been confronted for taking a "car" parking space? I had someone once try to tell me that I had no right taking up a "car" space (at PCC, of all places). Uh, they're parking spaces that are designed for cars to fit into, but there's no requirement that the vehicle parking there actually fill the space. I told the woman that I am entitled to, and in fact required to, park in a true parking space just like any car. I don't think she believed me, but she dropped it. :-\

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  21. Trashing Priuses because one driver double parked? That's a stretch.

    I've seen far more serious problems being caused by big, gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs than by these dinky little hybrids. There's a traffic island at the end of my street, frinstance, and three or four times a year someone drives right over it, knocking down trees and signs and chewing up the flowers.

    When I go over to check out the damage, it's not Prius tracks I see.

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  22. That's cause a Prius can't jump the curb.

    Believe me, I've tried. ;)

    Sometimes I miss having a truck...

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  23. Stick with the Prius, dat. If you feel like steppin' out once in a while, go to the U-Haul place.

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  24. It's cool, my husband, the Super Long Coffee Orderer, drives a Volvo XC-90. (Even after 16 years I remain a Confused East Coast Transplant.)

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  25. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    I'm probably most like "Type 'A' Yoga Girl," except that I'm too type A for most yoga. :-\

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  26. Now that this thread is sufficiently off topic.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2011/09/mythbusters-motorcycle-emissions.html

    Cars are held to a much higher emissions standard. Also the 150cc scooters still run carbs. Cars did away with those 25 years ago.

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  27. Ms. Scoot: So did you notice #99? Yep, it's "Smug hybrid driver!"

    Don't know what it says about me (other than maybe I need to switch to Pemco) that I fall into 7 of their categories? And there is certainly another in my future (#66, SO funny!). I am most proud of being #17, the "Relentless recycler."

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  28. Irukandji
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    Irukandji

    Looks like they may have needed a handicapped spot.

    I've always want to have an a-hole parking section with lines going cattywampus. Once issued your a-hole tag, you park THERE.

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  29. No matter how smug or blind the Prius driver is, his mileage also includes the emissions from the gas used to charge the batteries as well as the emissions of the power plant used to top off its batteries. Electrons aren't free, they just seem that way. And of course all the emissions associated with mining of the lead in the batteries, and the constant drain associated with accelerating 900 lbs of lead to cruising speed. But it is Green...not.

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  30. JayDee: Even factoring in the percentage of power lost to transmission over distances, generating electricity centrally at a power plant is probably more efficient than thousands of smaller power plants (and much less polluting when those vehicles lack catalytic converters as many motorcycles do). It is also more practical to scrub emissions at one point, though in the Pacific Northwest there is a higher likelihood that the power generation is from green sources anyway.

    But the rest of your argument works. And you should also factor in the not insignificant amount of energy it takes to transport electric cars, parts and batteries across the Pacific Ocean from Asia.

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  31. Read all the way to the end of this excerpt:

    Does the pollution created during hybrid production offset the benefits of "green" driving?

    The answer might surprise you. According to an in-depth study by the U.S. Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory, hybrid cars do, in fact, require more energy to produce than conventional cars, emitting more greenhouse gases and burning more fossil fuels during the manufacturing process. The production of hybrid batteries, in particular, requires much more energy than producing a standard car battery and results in higher emission levels of gases like sulfur oxide [source: Burnham et al].

    But do the environmental impacts of hybrid vehicle production outweigh the long-term benefits of driving a cleaner running automobile? That answer is a resounding "no." If you drive both a conventional and hybrid car for 160,000 miles (257,495 kilometers), the conventional vehicle requires far more energy to operate and emits far more greenhouse gases over its lifetime, significantly canceling out any imbalance during the production stage [source: Burnham et al].

    Source: http://tinyurl.com/prius-the-facts

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  32. Now watch this. But not while you're eating breakfast. Because you'll laugh so hard the milk will be coming out of your nose.*

    "Be part of the solution. Kill yourself."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEddCLW3SM

     
     
     
    *I mean soy milk, naturally.

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  33. westcoastdeb
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    *There's nothing natural about soy milk

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  34. I know. It takes a ton of carbon to produce a single gallon of it.

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  35. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    I love the path this thread has taken.* In fewer than one page, no less!

    *Earnestly. No sarcasm this time.

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  37. Irukandji

    handicapped spaces are not for the mentally handicapped
    even though the mentally handicapped often seem to feel entitled to use them

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  38. Irukandji
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    Irukandji

    I read that thread - or ten of them! Next time, I'll do my best to assume the worst first.

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  39. desertdweller
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    desertdweller

    I admit it. It was me.

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  40. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    I had a feeling. And you probably *did* have a baby in the trunk. Not wearing a hat.

    Tsk, tsk.

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  41. desertdweller
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    desertdweller

    Well, if it's 10 degrees warmer in the car, she doesn't need a hat, now does she?

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  42. DBP:

    Normally I would be willing to give into your arguments because you are so persuasive. But in this case you have account for the electrical generation emissions generated by the hybrid. To do so might possibly push the balance the other way. The linked article acknowledged this and then ran away. Coal plants and transmission costs need to be factored in. It is great the NW has hydro...too bad we are the exception.

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  43. JayDee, I thought the article was pretty clear on total costs of the Prius, but perhaps it wasn't.

    FWIW: I agree that Prius owners can be annoyingly smug. They're certainly not singlehandedly saving the planet as some of them seem to think. But on the other hand, at least they're trying to do something about the problem of greenhouse gases. And I've got to respect that.

    When I see some people (not you) shooting down every effort to save energy or develop alternative sources I gotta wonder: Are these folks really interested in finding solutions . . . or do they just want to make sure nobody else does?

    ***************

    On your statement that "electrons aren't free" . . . That's true in one sense, but it can be misleading. When I think about energy conservation, I always look at relative costs, not absolute ones. But perhaps that's what you're thinking here too. I guess it gets back to the question of how much energy the Prius uses overall, doesn't it?

    If the Prius turns out to be an energy waster, then any electrons it uses will be "expensive" ones. On the other hand, if it turns out to be a energy saver, then those electrons will have been very cheap indeed.

    How cheap exactly? Too cheap to meter?

    Oh, I wouldn't go that far.

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  44. Belated pun:

    Furryfaces, post #6; cat got your tongue? (Or would that be fingers?) ;-)

    Mike

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  45. Filbert
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    ever been confronted for taking a "car" parking space?

    Not yet, but some seem to not grasp that a motorcycle is permitted in HOV carpool lanes. That's the thing about Seattle. You're not going to find confrontation. We live in PassiveAgressiveapolis. Everyone is willing to take a stand as long as it doesn't involve actually taking a stand.

    Trashing Priuses because one driver double parked? That's a stretch.

    Nobody is trashing Priuses. Prius DRIVERS who are so self-important that they feel entitled to two spaces? Yeah, I'll trash them all day long. I don't write for South Park, So it's quite obvious that I'm not the only one who has noticed this trait in their customer base.

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  46. SarahScoot
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    SarahScoot

    Was at TJ's again early this evening, and the lot was full again... yet no one was taking up more than one space. Not even the large SUVs.
    There weren't any Priuses there, though...

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