From Newsbusters. Occupy movements press coverage is omitting certain items but held Tea Party to a different standard.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2011/11/07/study-occupier-outrages-omitted
Yes Virginia, there is a liberal bias in the (mainstream) media. You guys won't admit it.
Now wholeheartedly and pronounce I do agree with this article from the Right.
HMCRich...
jeez.. here we go again.
if you stop drooling over what you think you know and apply a little common sense, you will find that one thing is not like the other.
in the first place, the Occupy movement got almost no press when it started... and when it did get press the numbers were downplayed, not inflated.
unlike the tea party which got press from day one and the numbers were inflated not deflated.
the occupy movement didn't really begin to get substantial news coverage until local police departments tried to disperse Occupy rallies using force.
Did that happen with any tea party gathering anywhere?
The Occupy movement doesn't just show up for a rally here or there, it has continuously occupied some public spaces and has consistently gathered day after day or weekend after weekend in others.
did the tea party do that anywhere?
One of these things is not like the other.
and.. if it was...
the article you cite tracks current news coverage for the tea party versus news coverage for the Occupy movement.
If you took out every article that had allegations of police brutality out of the accounting..
Do you think the numbers would still stand up?
what if you compared news coverage for the first few months of the tea party with news coverage for the first few months of the Occupy movement?
Do you think those numbers would still stand up?
well, no.
but you go ahead and drool at all that liberal bias in the media.
just dont' ask yourself this question.
If the media has such a liberal bias, why hasn't the mainstream media been all over the tea party candidates who were elected for the pork they have been shoveling towards their political backers?
Do you think it's because hypocrisy is so rampant that it's not a story?
Or do you think that mainstream bias might not be as clear as you think it is?
dhg
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The media is not liberal, it's conservative and I'm not just talking fox. King5's coverage of OWS included a piece on how these people were protesting but no one knew what it was about. They then pulled out passer-bys who were ignorant, people who would say "I don't know what it's about", and end of story. King5 used to be a good news source but ever since Jean Enerson smilingly reported that a "suspected terrorist" had been rendered to a different country where torture is legal, I've given up on them.
For additional perspectives on the news, I first check the following:
I also get interesting perspectives from:
Finally, Jon Stewart did an interesting segment on coverage of the Occupy Wall Street protests vs. coverage of the Tea Party:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-5-2011/parks-and-demonstration
It's camp-o-rama. Hope all are having fun.
The sheer volume of stories on the Hermain Cain accusations compared to the same lack of reporting when the Clinton accusations FIRST came out is staggering. Not even close. That alone is enought proof for me.
Lets play a game.
Do you think the media is far left, moderately left, Middle of the Road, moderately right, far right for the following companies
NBC
CBS
ABC
PBS
ABC RADIO
SALEM RADIO
FOX NEWS RADIO
CBS RADIO
CNN
Fox News
MSNBC
NY Post,
NY Times
Washington Post
Washington Times
Seattle Times
LA Times
Daily Kos
Huffington Post
Politico
Media Matters
Drudge Report
Newsbusters
Real Clear Politics
Seattle PI
West Seattle Blog
Rolling Stone
Time
Newsweek
The Economist
Democracy Now
Mother Jones
And please add some that I have forgotten. It will be interesting to see how we view what we read, watch and listen to and what we do not.
not sure your comparison could be more simplistic, smitty, given that when Clinton was in the news, the media game was considerably different: the internet was still in its infancy as a 'news reporting' outlet, there were fewer blogs, Fox News and Rupert Morebucks hadn't really started foaming at the mouth yet, etc. I mean heck, let's talk about the pass the media gave Eisenhower for his (alleged) affair.
Given the spectacle of all those Republicans slobbering all over themselves trying to convict Clinton of having sex with someone other than his wife, I would say you ain't seen nothin' yet. Apologies to Bachman Turner Overdrive.
Rich: At first flush, I would say that your list includes slightly more liberal news sources than conservative ones. But it seems that there are plenty of both, so no matter where you are on the spectrum, you should always be able to find a news outlet that confirms what you already know to be true.
(Whew!)
redblack
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and can we please put fox news channel and fox news radio under the same umbrella: newscorp?
same for NBC and msnbc.
come on, dude. the media isn't liberal.
it's corporate.
redblack..
"come on, dude. the media isn't liberal.
it's corporate. "
and therein lies the rub :(
Yes, but is there balance? People run those bureaus. And ABC, NBC, and CBS are not middle of the road. Local reporting is different. In fact at times clueless when the shows are being produced by less seasoned producers. But they learn.
I would say there is more than enough sources out there to support or contradict what many of us believe.
I also know that words have meaning and leaving out terms can deceive.
I will say this. After Watergate there seemed to be a growing "gotcha" mentality. Then the cable news services really got our attention with Desert Storm, WACO and OJ. Talk about really amping things up.
I like Fox News. I used to like CNN but it changed and so did I. As I became more conservative my tastes changed. I like all the options out there and the public is better for it.
But please, media watchdogs like Media Matters are not centrist. Neither is Newsbusters and if you think they are, you are wrong.
We are fortunate that the news on this Blog is news. There is not a bias. Thanks WS Blog. I can't say that about most of the other sources of news and information out there.
Let me ask you this. Do you find in your daily lives people pushing progressive, middle of the road, or conservative ideology?
I personally feel that progressive thought is more prevalent in the Seattle area. In fact I get funny looks from people when I say, Sorry, but I don't agree with you and I think you are wrong, just because many West Seattlites think that most everyone is progressive or independent. Naturally this is a more liberal area and I expect it, but I personally would not wear a Tea Party symbol on my lapel, but I most certainly see Occupy Seattle pins. I see hundreds of Obama stickers and hardly any other. In fact I rarely see any bumper stickers from people supporting the right wingers. But when I go into Eastern Washington, boy does it change.
If anyone challenges me that this isn't a left wing haven, then I say to you, look at who you elect. They are usually some form of Democrat. It is so humorous to look at their endorsement and see the 34th District Democrats, AFL-CIO, IBEW 46 etc., but It is very rare to see conservative support.
Considering how many democrats have been elected since the 80's, how come you guys aren't more satisfied?
How inconvenient. It might take effort to source multiple information streams. It may also involve some powers of discernment. That is why the Occupy movement is standing around pretty much accomplishing nothing. Oh they have latched on to a few jingoisms... Generally, Wall street is bad... or blame the banks..or tax anyone but me... it's simple to repeat over and over again. They are like bleeting sheep waiting for the shepherd to move them en masse. Whoever has the simplest message, requires the least amount of intellectual rigor, and absolves the herd of any collective responsibility for getting stranded next to cliff fall off, will generally lead the flock. While they still have rights undreamed of in the rest of the world, it is too much of a task to use them. I read to post election editorials..even the editorial board expressed it.... "we always vote for more taxes"... and indeed we do. Then wonder where our disposable income is? They can't make the connection that a levy on rental property incomes..adding another $ 24 per month taxes means...your rent is going to go up at least $45 per month. Ask an occupier, any of them holding an "evil bank"poster who is the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.. or even better, what does it do? The vacuous look will tell all. Maybe the Tea Party was purpose driven, got the job done, and didn't have to hang out in a daze of ineffectual confusion for months on end. It's called purposeful, goal oriented organizing. You are so dead on JoB one is not like the other.
redblack
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rich: in a perfect world, there would be no need for media matters or newsbusters.
you may think we're better off for the "choices" we have in media (news? it ain't) but i don't.
these media companies have too much power - namely the power to make or break political candidates. they're also the reason why elections are so damned expensive.
but is media bent left, right, or center? i tend to think it's bent right, because corporate interests more often align with conservative politics.
have you ever wondered why boeing and the oil and natural gas lobby advertise on the big cable "news" outlets? what, am i going to go out and buy a 787? or an oil platform?
they do that so that the media doesn't run stories that paint them in an unfavorable light. because every broadcaster knows that you never disparage your biggest sponsors.
"not sure your comparison could be more simplistic, smitty, given that when Clinton was in the news, the media game was considerably different:"
Take the changes out of it and focus on the big three plus cable then. Huge difference on coverage between the Cain accusations and the Clinton accusations. Just to be clear I am not talking about five years later and impeachment. I'm talking about when he was running for President the first time. Hillary's "stand by your man" quote on 60 minutes timeline. There were many allegations out there at the time and they received nowhere near the coverage these Cain allegations are getting. Not even close. When they did, they were referred to as trailer trash.
Well at that point presidential affairs were not covered in the news. Many presidents had afairs and mistresses (sorry Barbara) but the press considered it to be off limits to reporting. Maybe they had a sense of decency about it...
Also, consensual sex outside of your marriage (not illegal) is a lot different that alleged repeated sexual harassment (illegal)
HMCRich...
whenyou listen mainly to conservative news broadcasters.. anything left of them must look lefty to you.
you have to listen to real news liberal broadcasters with a actual liberal bent before you can see that the center has been nudging into right territory for some time.
Of course, you can listen to any newscast you want and still find the news as long as you question what you hear and look beyond the assumptions it contains.
cadbury..I repeat a story..on the isle of Siracusia..the fellahs were lined up on fleet landing to the whore houses. Too many US ships in port due to a malfunction. Fight breaks out. Next morning, the old man (caotain of the ship) calls all hands down to the well deck for an ass chewing, He dismissed the single men to be handled at the small unit level, Then proceeded to tear into the married dudes..his point... "your swore an oath of fidelity when you joined, it was the same god you swore to, when you took your marriage vows"... I will take note of the value of your oaths. Character counts. It's all part of the mix, the measure of a man, or a woman.
A totally unbiased news source is a pipe dream, so why are we fussing about it? Thoughtful people form judgments based on information gathered from a variety of sources including:
1) Those who agree with them.
2) Those who disagree with them.
3) History books.
4) Personal observation.
5) Experience.
All this arguing about what the media is seems like wasted breath.
The media ARE liberal.
The media ARE conservative.
The media ARE corporate.
So what?
DBP..
i agree that we should think for ourselves..
but would point out that out of the 30+ news organizations listed by HMCRich...
the actual liberal voices could be counted on the fingers of less than one hand...
and you would be generous if you counted those with a "liberal bias" on both hands.
the truth is that a lie is perceived as truth if it is repeated often enough.
common wisdom often contains no wisdom at all.
media does matter
Kootchman. I agree that character counts.
I was just commenting on why there was a dipsarity between the initial coverage of Clinton's affair and Cain's alleged sexual harrassment.
Prior to Clinton the press did not report on president's mistresses. I'm not saying it's right, it's just how it was.
of the 30+ news organizations listed by HMCRich... the actual liberal voices could be counted on the fingers of less than one hand... —JoB
1) NBC (Home of Mssr. Olberman)
2) Washington Post (Brought down Nixon. 'Nuff said)
3) Huff Post (Liberal as they come.)
4) Daily Kos (Ditto)
5) Rolling Stone (Home of Hunter Thompson. 'Nuff said.)
6) Democracy Now (One hour of pure TV/Radio liberalism. Daily.)
7) Mother Jones (Liberal Mothership)
8) Seattle PI (Kind of a liberal Nat. Enquirer)
9) I stopped counting at the easy ones.
(Notice that I'm not even counting PBS - One-time home of Bill Moyers.)
Geez, Jo . . . How many fingers you got on one hand anyhow?
nit picking here..there is no "isle of Syracusia". There is an isle of Sicily, and Syracusa is a city there...is that what you meant, Kman? If you're going to tell a story, make sure it's factual :)
Washington Post (Charles Krauthammer, George Will. Watergate was a LOOOOONG time ago, and the WaPo is HARDLY the progressive voice it was when Ben Bradley steered that ship)
Rolling Stone (P.J. O'Rourke. Need I go farther? H.S. Thompson would have probably considered himself a libertarian. They DO provide a platform for Matt Taibi, a writer all Americans should pay attention to).
Thanks to Cadbury for pointing out the difference between a sexual peccadillo and sexual assault.
Just wondering, do our "conservative, fiscally responsible Republicans" on this board ever consider the $70+Million that the Republicans wasted over the eight years of Clinton's Presidency, investigating every aspect of his life trying to bring his Presidency to it's knees, only to arrive at the point of finding out he had an affair. BFD. I consider anyone who strays from their obligations of their marriage vows as being somewhat morally week, but I don't think that I want anyone in my government wasting that much time and money to turn up what really is only a matter to be resolved by the people involved.
And then Republicans turn around and give the David Vitters, Newt Gingrich's, Larry Craig's, Mark Sanford's of their Party applause, huzzahs, and slaps on the back.
Republican's, the Party of moral relativism.
"Thanks to Cadbury for pointing out the difference between a sexual peccadillo and sexual assault."
That's simply untrue.
Paula Jones was a sexual harrassment case.
Well Jan... since I was THERE..twice in fact ... it is the ancestral home of the great Archimedes ... I would say you are dead ass wrong. How that for a fact check? You can even google some pictures of Siracusa,.. Siracusia..as it was called in Carthaginia ,Syracuse and the sea wall looking across the Straits of Messina If you ever go there, you can even visit. Sometimes you look just foolish. Enjoy the pictures... Syracusia, Syracuse, and Syracusa.... ships were USS Inchon and Barnstable county... eh? Is that how you do life.. google?
or video
DBP..
LOL...
if a news media qualified as liberal for having one liberal reporter one time in history, i am guessing most of them would qualify as liberal.
I was once a Republican. Of course I was 16.
does that make me a republican now?
kootch...
"Is that how you do life.. google?"
following that crack with a google post ;->
priceless.
Ya gotta play to the audience ma'am. Oh JoB I an so sorry,, was the head injury THAT severe at age 16? I had no idea. And such a promising start too.
Cadbury, maybe not in such salacious details, but Ike and his driver, JFK, and lots and lots of speculation on J Edgar Hoover...Hell Andrew Jackson and wife Rachel got both barrels of the press during his campaign for bigamy...Clinton didn't break much new ground in the sex and scandal department.
kootchman...
the head injury was indeed that severe...
but I was 15.
On a ride called the scrambler some guy scratching his .. well you know.. and fantasizing about my cousin's unusually large mammary glands... took the governor off the ride in the hopes of impressing her with a good time.
the guy she was with really enjoyed the enforced cuddle, but I was on the outside and the centrifugal force broke every capillary from my waist up and hyper-extended my neck.
oops!
some doctors believe the resulting limbic insult triggered my lifetime of chronic fatigue syndrome which has caused major cognitive deficits.
My cognitive function now resembles swiss cheese.
I test barely above retarded on spacial skills, can't add, subtract, multiply or divide worth beans and word finding can be a real bear.
Yet, I somehow manage to pack a car better than anyone I know, can execute complex mathematical equations and can define enough words with textbook accuracy to keep my verbal scores on IQ tests more than respectable.
I am much slower than I used to be but still find myself impatiently waiting in conversation for others to get the connections that are obvious to me and I seldom get past the second chapter of a mystery without figuring out who the killer is.
my listening skills and reasoning skills still seem to be sharp
but I have to double check and triple check sometimes to make sure I have all the information I need to make a decision...
and if i don't find what i am looking for where I expect to find it,
I forget what it was I needed
I can't follow a recipe because i can't keep track of whether or not I have completed a step without a list I can check off...
and even then I worry that I may have checked a step off before completing it..
but I read cookbooks for inspiration
and cook well enough that people are pleased to get an invitation to my table
I can respond to questions all day
but find it really difficult and time consuming to originate thought.
It takes me a long time to write a reasoned argument.
Yet, I persevere
I speak publicly and I write.
sometimes I wonder who I might have become
and what I might have accomplished
if that young man had paid more attention to safety and less to .. well you know .. those irresistible impulses that seem to govern some men.
And as it is, I have done better with what is left of my brain than many who have the full use of theirs.
Now, don't you feel like a jerk?
but thanks for giving me the opportunity to let people know how much I and others with cognitive difficulties struggle to make the most effective use of what still works for us.
perhaps they will think about this reply next time they are inclined to nitpick someone they know nothing about because of grammer or punctuation or spelling or literary style that irritates them.
perhaps
Kootch..
"Clinton didn't break much new ground in the sex and scandal department"
but the Republicans did when they tried to bring down a presidency over a blow job from a willing woman.
Yea, and don't think for a second the Democrats wouldn't do the same.. It was great fun though. It was a continuation of politics as usual. And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on.... course' if it wasn't such a big deal... why did he lie about it? Perjury from the President of the United States... right to our faces... so sincere, that big old pointed finger, the indignation. For a minute I almsot believed him. Then I remembered.. silly, this is Slick Willy!! Sniffin' out some new stuff... in the Oval Office... good judgement call.
kootch...
define fun.
The American taxpayer got screwed out of millions during that witch hunt
and our safety was compromised
by diverting attention from real threats to the made up threat of a president so supposedly rotten that the only thing the special prosecutor could make stick was the answer to inappropriate questions about his sex life.
we have very real difference in our definitions of fun kootch.
and apparently very real differences when it comes to matters of decency as well.
didn't your mother tell you it wasn't nice to pick on disabled people kootch?
"but the Republicans did when they tried to bring down a presidency over a blow job from a willing woman."
That is just flat out false.
He lied under oath in a court of law during the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit. Women should have been outraged. He was never impeached for getting a smoker. Yet one more result of our topic.
I believe the perjury "revolved" around the Lewinski affair but impeachment was not "about" the Lewinski affair. I don't care if he lied about jaywalking. He was under oath and deserved to be impeached.
And while we're at it Kootch let's not forget George HW bush and Jennifer Fitzgerald...now why do you suppose the dema didn't hire their own Kenneth Star and try to bring him down...hmm
Dems I meant...damned auto correct
Did HW lie about it under oath in a sexual harassment case? Then by all means he should have been impeached.
I didn't say he should impeached I was responding to kootchs statement that the democrats would've tried to bring diown a presidency over an affair.
Republicans tried to bring down Clinton for lying under oath, committing perjury during a sexual harassment case. I would certainly hope that the Democrats would do the same. Guess we agree.
Smitty...
better question.
do you think the special prosecutor should have been asking about his sex life at all?
and if he should have..
why isn't the sex life of every presidential candidate equally germane?
or every president for that matter?
Smitty,
Whoa nelly...
where was the sexual harassment?
true, she was an intern.
but she didn't report being harassed.
she bragged about her "affair" with the President to another woman who reported it to the special prosecutor who then asked the president questions about his sex life.
and before you go there, she wasn't simply naive
she had already established a pattern of sexual misconduct with her "superiors" in Portland.
I agree that this was misconduct...
but not prosecutable misconduct at any point..
that is until he lied to cover it up.
The question no-one seems to ask is why he was asked the question in the first place.
Kman.... in response to your post #27. No, I don't feel like an ass. What I said was factual. I'm so sorry that I haven't had the pleasure of being there twice, as you have. I suppose that gives you an "in", about using local names for things, that it makes you an expert. I'm so sorry I haven't had the means in life to do everything that you have. I'm so sorry that I didn't run to my local library to look something up instead of turning to the internet (something that you don't do?). But...here is what I found (not experienced):
Syracuse (Italian: Siracusa pronounced [siraˈkuːza] ( listen); Sicilian: Sarausa; Ancient Greek: Συρακοῦσαι Syrakoúsai)[2] is a historic city in Sicily, the capital of the province of Syracuse. The city is notable for its rich Greek history, culture, amphitheatres, architecture, and as the birthplace of the preeminent mathematician and engineer Archimedes. This 2,700-year-old city played a key role in ancient times, when it was one of the major powers of the Mediterranean world. Syracuse is located in the southeast corner of the island of Sicily, right by the Gulf of Syracuse next to the Ionian Sea.
The city was founded by Ancient Greek Corinthians and became a very powerful city-state. Syracuse was allied with Sparta and Corinth, exerting influence over the entire Magna Grecia area of which it was the most important city. Once described by Cicero as "the greatest Greek city and the most beautiful of them all", it later became part of the Roman Republic and Byzantine Empire. After this Palermo overtook it in importance, as the capital of the Kingdom of Sicily. Eventually the kingdom would be united with the Kingdom of Naples to form the Two Sicilies until the Italian unification of 1860.
In the modern day, the city is listed by UNESCO as a World Heritage Site along with the Necropolis of Pantalica. In the central area, the city itself has a population of around 125,000 people. The inhabitants are known as Siracusans, and the local language spoken by its inhabitants is the Sicilian language. Syracuse is mentioned in the Bible in the Acts of the Apostles book at 28:12 as Paul stayed there.[3] The patron saint of the city is Saint Lucy; she was born in Syracuse and her feast day, Saint Lucy's Day, is celebrated on 13 December.
Sicily is the island...Syracuse is the city. Tell me that's wrong.
"Whoa nelly...
where was the sexual harassment?"
Against Lewinski? There wasn't any!
The entire thing STARTED during his sexual harassment testimony during the sexual harassment case brought on by Paula Jones (remember, she was called trailer trash unlike Cain's accusers?)! That's my point...women should have been outraged. He was NOT impeached for getting a smoker, he as impeached for lying under oath and committing perjury in a court of law during a sexual harassment case. The liberal media even has well read people like you not understanding the issue. Thus this threads relevance.
As I was told by the tour guide, it was "the Siracus" and Siracusia was the then and only port ...Syracuse or Syracusa.is now one of many cities on the Island of Sicily...but what the hell does a native UNESCO Italian guide know? Right? Yea yea yea... I got all the tour guide books too... save the space.. thanks for the tour through the new testament tangent?!?!? . the post was a recount of how character counts and men should be held to their oaths.... well it counts if you are a republican,,, you can be a veritable hound if you are liberal...where character counts not I guess.
cadbury # 37... no evidence? Truth is never heard about her... guess it must have had no substance? What was amusing was how Slick Willy shot himself in the foot over and over again. There ya go... Clinton the Slick let his Johnson get in the way of good governance. JoB his perjury was the distraction, consequences of immature, reckless, behavior..that was the wellspring.. and the cover up and I am betting holy hell from Hilary...non stop I would bet. wadda hoot... Clinton grabs a slice .. an intern..a very unsophisticated "Chatty Cathy" who blurted her 5 minutes of fame... uses a cigar as a sex aid.. uses Arkansas State troopers to play fetch em, assaults a state worker, and he gets a pass from you all. Malfeasance on so many levels. Jeez look at what he was poking! Dependnet, immature, powerless women.. he was a friggin predator.. I will trade the money spent for the special prosecutor for the Solyndra fund in second. Thats our liberal fem base in Seattle...ONLY if you are an entitled, liberal, do you receive their grace.. if you are a poor rural Arkansas women.. you are trailer trash..and you deserved the assault. Because you were white, powerless, poor, and not a feminist activist.. Ok then.. the picture is getting clearer. Are you forgetting too that Clinton tried to deny justice and Paula Jones's day in court claiming as president, and during his presidency, he could not be held accountable? Justice delayed is justice denied right? Talk about the Imperial Presidency! We all remember, Clarence Thomas, Slick Willy just got the payback. Remember his famous attack strategy during the Clinton campaign? The "war room"... ya reap what ya sow. To this day Thomas lives with that "high tech lynching"... it still gets dragged into the press. every profile and analysis of a SC decision where he writes a dissent or the majority opinion...Anita Hill gets dragged out of the closet. One begat the other.
cadbury..looked it up...
"Years later, during Bush's vice presidency, Jennifer Fitzgerald held a key staff post – and this caused a virtual revolt among his other loyal staffers. They hated the haughty, pushy and arrogant woman who clearly had more "access" to Bush than they did." Linda Tripp in on this too.
But they crossed the wrong warrior.. they pissed off Barbara. Now that makes sense. That's one tough old bird the press corps would not screw with... no .. no "vast left wing conspiracy"theorist was she. Just tough and mean as hell. I can understand why the press corps would back off.
thanks for the vote on my character, kootchman...back atcha!
over the top?
Smitty,
I understand the issue..
but still want to know what consensual sex with Monica had to do with the alleged sexual harassment of Paula Jones...
and why depositions given in a sexual harassment case for events that occurred prior to the presidency were the basis for impeachment proceedings.
as for Paula being referred to as trailer trash..
I think that had something to do with her posing for Playboy and was spearheaded by the right wing sweetheart Ann Coulter... not democrats.
And last but not least.. i would point out that Paula's case was filed just a few days short of the statute of limitations.. long after it occurred.
yet the argument is being made that the women who reported Herman Cain for sexual harassment had waited too long...
there is a huge double standard being applied to Herman Cain's peccadilloes ...
don't you just love that word?
I could care less about his sex life
but i am not in favor of putting a man who abuses his power in the White House
Bush jr's tolerance of Cheney's excesses were enough for me.
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