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Started 4 months ago by JanS
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JanS
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From "West Wing"...season 7..the debates...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFp7WG9J-E

Posted 4 months ago #
JoB
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I had forgotten about that scene..
thank you.

i'm proud to be a liberal

Posted 4 months ago #
DBP
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Liberal chicks are hot-hot-HOT !!!!

There are times when they wanna be in charge — which is actually most of the time — but there are other times when they don't wanna be in charge at all. The trick is figuring out what mood they happen to be in at a given moment. Anyone who can pull that one off will be Master of the Universe.

And welcome to it . . .

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JoB
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DBP..

i don't want to burst your bubble
because i am a liberal chick
and i think we are pretty hot

but...
"There are times when they wanna be in charge — which is actually most of the time — but there are other times when they don't wanna be in charge at all."
is as true for a conservative chick as a liberal one:(

and there is no trick to figuring it out..
if she lets you be in charge
it's because she wants to ;->

Posted 4 months ago #
Trick
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*Insert rimshot here*

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JoB
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;)

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HMC Rich
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Shucks, it is late but they have some of the history wrong.

How about the term Classic Liberalism...Here is a definition... Liberalism is a political philosophy with freedom as its core value. The term was originally applied to supporters of individual liberties and equal rights, but, in America, the term has come to represent a movement of social change that often conflicts with conservative values such as moral values and tradition.

Revisionists and time have even changed the definition, so please, a tv show written by Hollywood writers who usually are liberal is not something I can fully agree with.

But, you should be proud to be liberal just like I am proud to be a conservative.

The National Voting Rights Act of 1965. Southern Democrats had opposed this. It took bipartisan voting by both parties to pass this. In the House (Dem Majority) more Dems than Republicans voted for it. In the Senate (Dem Majority) only one Republican voted against it but 17 Democrats did, including the esteemed Mr. Robert Byrd. If not for Republicans, this would not have passed.

19th Amendment - (Women get the right to vote) Wait, what is this? More Republicans voted for it than Democrats? By Golly. From the NY Times... http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1920womensvote.html

That is just two examples of where the actor and script were wrong. I bet if I dig deeper I will find a lot more to refute that silly show.

Every day conservatives put up with intrusive liberalism creeping into our lives. Not all liberal ideas are bad but many are.
The EPA... Nixon. Ruckelshaus... A Republican Administration.... Oh, credit must be given to activists that helped put pressure on our government. A little history... http://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/history/topics/epa/15c.html

1990 Clean Air Act. Bush Sr. proposes amendments and bi-partisan voting passes the revision. http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caaa_overview.html

On the other hand, Social Security and Medicare have benefited millions of people. Yea! Good!
But they are going broke due to the mismanagement of both parties. Progressive parties.

Time for a change. Time to get back to basics and fundamentals. Time for a Tea Party.

Woodrow Wilson. Re-segregated the Government. Racist in Chief. Unfortunately the Congress did not seem to fight this abomination.

Also, Once upon a time a Young man went to Versailles after WWI and then the U.S. because he was inspired by words from Mr. Wilson for self determination for people. But he was ignored. The man's name was HO CHI MINH.

Maybe 56,000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese might have survived if the Racist In Chief would have met with that young Idealist way back when. Woodrow Wilson might have been the worst President ever for this country.

And you guys believe a biased tv show. Read some history please.

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redblack
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see, rich, the thing is that you have to be more reflexive and understand complex things - like context - before you go around broad-brushing liberals. for example, a lot of dixiecrats like strom thurmond, a democrat who voted against the civil rights act, became republicans after that vote. he was a democrat. was he a liberal? hell, no, and i wouldn't want him in my party any more than i want joe manchin, ben nelson, or mary landrieu in it.

party names and planks shift with the times. the democratic party is now more conservative than republicans were in the eisenhower administration. and nixon was a flaming liberal compared to george w. bush.

i'll read some history. i do it all of the time.

but you should stop being so rigid in your thinking and stop pretending that you understand liberals' motives. because you obviously don't.

i don't claim to understand conservatives' motives. but i'd like to know how you square this circle:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/tea-party-house-members-even-wealthier-other-gop-lawmakers

Christopher Arterton, a professor of political management at George Washington University, called the Republican lawmakers' personal wealth unsurprising.“Because they have amassed personal wealth, or inherited it, they are much more likely to be attuned to business or investment as an issue and less friendly towards regulations,” Arterton told OpenSecrets Blog.

now, does that describe the average rank-and-file republican? are you all wealthy, and because you've been businesspeople, you're more interested in business-friendly government?

i'm not being a smart-ass. i really want to know if you feel that government should favor the wealthy. because the tea party caucus evidently does.

Posted 4 months ago #
JanS
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oh, good grief, Rich...it's a show...I liked what that particular scene said.

So...conservatives have "moral values"....is that saying "liberals" don't? that "liberals" can't also be traditional? just askin' :)

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JanS
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oh, good grief, Rich...it's a show...I liked what that particular scene said. It's/I'm not trying to supplant history...

So...conservatives have "moral values"....is that saying "liberals" don't? that "liberals" can't also be traditional? just askin' :)

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waynster
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........duck Red!!!... Kootch is going to throw snowballs your way on this....red you couldn't have said it better.... I will add most teabaggers are the old carpert baggers from the past. White male upper middle class or rich racist zelots who care only about $... Sen Jim DeMint come on down your the next Strom Thurmound........Also some conservatives and liberals are moderates and a lot of independents think that way its when a wench gets toosed in like teabaggers who drag the ugly out of americans and greed takes over...... hmc who brought out the worse in americans in the 1950's Joesph McCarthy A republican senator who said this..... Our job as Americans and as Republicans is to dislodge the traitors from every place where they've been sent to do their traitorous work." -Joseph McCarthy, speech before the Republican National Convention (1952) from http://www.ushistory.org/us/53a.asp all from fear the Communist had taken over........sounds more and more like the teaparty is doing today putting fear into the average american way of thinking... talking about history that is over looked one of the most hated and feared senators in history was a consevative...

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kootchman
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You are supposed to have the freedoms to pursue wealth. La Republik was founded upon it. I don't want to be an "average" American... I don't want my progeny to aspire to "average" ... what's the point in that? BTY re" McCarthy? Trivia question for ya... who was his chief counsel during his hearings, and became godfather to his children? Hmmmm? From one of the most anti-semetic and racist families in our national history? Hey Waynster? You history buff... give ya a hint.. his father at the court of St. James was so detested for his pro=Nazi stance the British government asked FDR to recall him as a threat to their national security. Your social support fabric is woven by the surplus of capitalism... and no other society in the world has yet to duplicate and sustain such wealth. But, as Franklin said, when the "average" citizen finds out he can vote himself wealth, the republic is doomed." and that is where we are at... the least productive amongst us scream the loudest to take from the most productive. Fortunately this is not the American character at large, not yet. You just can't fathom that the tax and spend, confiscate the wealth was found to be bankrupt thinking. The Tea Party is not 'afraid" they are pissed off that liberals prefer allotment by virtue of being, instead of reward by merit. Maybe they just don't like the philosophy of envy and wealth redistribution. The kept and the keepers are laying waste to a great system.

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redblack
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You just can't fathom that the tax and spend, confiscate the wealth was found to be bankrupt thinking.

and that's exactly what i mean by not understanding liberals' motives.

we're not voting ourselves wealth. we're voting ourselves security.

i favor massive federal social programs and the tax structure necessary to pay for them. and your claim is that i believe that those programs will make me wealthy? because i'm lazy? so i won't have to work? because i'm jealous that i won't become wealthy? or that it's too difficult?

don't ascribe your motives and world views to me. just because you believe in yourself over the common good doesn't mean that i do.

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kootchman
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I'll help ya

"
JFK DEFENDS PATRIOT MCCARTHY
Rising at his seat, he shouted,
"How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor!"
The other diners lapsed into shocked silence,
and JFK departed without hearing the rest of the program

or

" In 1953 Bobby Kennedy joined McCarthy's staff and McCarthy was godfather to Bobby's first child. Bobby was always loyal to Joe.

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kootchman
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Your security is in the greatest amount of freedoms ever secured by a people. The freedom to try, strive, create wealth and keep it. There is no security when you take from anothers rice bowl. That's the security you have been provided. If you don't take advantage of it... sad. Your sense of entitlement is misplaced. I believe in the common good... once I take of my family, provide for their support, then I look to the common good. And ya know what? As it worked out, by taking care of mine first.. I joined the 10 per cent that carry the other 72 percent.

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JanS
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and your point?

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kootchman
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Just clarifying the historical record of McCarthy who had the fawning loyalty of the entire Kennedy clan...

Posted 4 months ago #
dobro
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"I joined the 10 per cent that carry the other 72 percent."

Is there any clearer statement of arrogance and condescention than this?

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kootchman
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You are right redblack, this republic was founded on the supremacy of the individual over the state. Every freedom you enjoy was crafted not for the common good... but the protection of the individual. Habeus Corpus, jury trial, property rights, etc.. etc... protection of the individual and individual property rights is the assurance of the common good. Is it the common good that the average 22 year old college graduate has a 54K national debt burden on his or her shoulders? Some great good this intergenerational theft by unchecked liberalism has created. How many trillions is Obama asking for this week? The keepers and the kept are sucking the vitality from a vital people.

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kootchman
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It's a fact. It's not arrogance. And I am glad it was so.

Posted 4 months ago #
dobro
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"It's a fact. It's not arrogance."

I rest my case.

Posted 4 months ago #
kootchman
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bout' time!

Posted 4 months ago #
JoB
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kootch..

can you tell me where i find freedom to make money in our constitution?

Posted 4 months ago #
oddreality
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Aw Kootch, they would have to print a lot more money for everyone to be rich like you. There is a finite amount of money and right now the top 1-10% are sitting on it.
Not every one can be rich and not everyone wants to be rich in money. Some people just want to live a comfortable life and enjoy the world around them and concentrate on their families not making money.Some people think there is more to life than a new car or a big house.Once you get past a certain amount of money there is little to do with it but let it sit ,ala Romney, to make more money to do nothing with...that, to me, is a wasted life.Also a huge waste of that finite resource ,money, that other people could use to live.Why sit on it and not spend it so it spreads around? Maybe create a job or two? Start a few businesses and hire those people that are living in tents?

What they want is to not be living in tents because jobs are sent overseas by the fat cats or to lose it all because they get sick after a lifetime of saving [and earning a a paltry .1% on that saving these days not much incentive to save eh?]
If you are truly worried about the college students debt perhaps our colleges ought to be publicly funded so all can go not just the rich kids or the ones that are not so afraid of being in debt they stay away.Then they could get out in the world and get going instead of paying paying paying on a debt of that size.What would your solution be??

I have hard time understanding how you can think people do not want to work or are happy to be living in tents with their children instead of working when you have been to NV. Do you not see the need for security for people??

Posted 4 months ago #
dhg
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"There is no security when you take from anothers rice bowl." ????? What does that mean? Are you saying all taxes are bad or are you saying someone is stealing from you?

It reminds me of the Golden Girls:
MA: That man stole from our family! It's because of him we went hungry at night!
DOROTHY: Ma, we never went hungry!
MA: So, sometimes I felt like dessert!

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kootchman
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oddreality.... maybe the cost of college salaries should be capped? Maybe some of the capital construction costs confined to function instead of testimonials to aggrandizement? I have found MANY MANY very good public universities throughout the country that charge sub 9K tuition and books. Some larger than UW some smaller.... again... priorities. FCSE..

I do support others as I see to be the most effective way. Look to the effectiveness of our city council and our neighbors in N"ville. ? Ya think I want to send more to a city council to watch more waste? Nope.

dhg... to quote another Blanche ... " I have always depended on the kindness of strangers"... is not a way to feel secure. Surely you must recognize the frailty of it. I don't want anyone in N'Ville to be there, under those conditions... it's disgraceful...

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oddreality
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But, but,but Kootch - if their salaries are capped how will they ever get rich?? What amount should they be capped at? Should they have a little extra or just barely enough? Are you saying if you work for the public you should get paid less?Are people that work to educate lesser? What about nurses? You do realize that if they were all rich,like you apparently are , there would be no nurses. All those nurses and teachers [and the rest of us since we would all be stinking rich!!!!] would be sitting on their investments making more and more money so the government would be having to print more and more money making all that money worth less.
I really am thankful some people,many people in fact, care more about their families and other people and having a secure and educated society than they do about making tons of money. There is much gratification in helping others, in teaching others and even in living on less. Wealth is not all about money.
There is no way for everyone to be rich and if we were all "rich" there would be no rich.

Posted 4 months ago #
DBP
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>>What about nurses? You do realize that if they were all rich . . . there would be no nurses.

–Which would suck !!! Because nurses are HOT !!!

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DBP
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[Sorry for blogging drunk, everyone. Blame it on the weather.]

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waynster
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Did you see who was against it yep and a union President to.......Sir, I detest, I abhor their [communists'] philosophy, but I detest more than that their tactics, which are those of the fifth column, and are dishonest, but at the same time I never as a citizen want to see our country become urged, by either fear or resentment of this group, that we ever compromise with any of our democratic principles through that fear or resentment. I still think that democracy can do it.

– Ronald Reagan, testifying in front of the HUAC as president of the Screen Actors Guild (1947)

so you see kootch even your favorite President was involved.....So I too point out that even Ronald Reagan was in a librial camp a union camp at that so history points out...

Posted 4 months ago #
kootchman
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Yep waynster... we all see the error of our ways... age does that. Mussolini was a liberal of the first order. JoB Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. See the latter? State employees, federal employees, as tradition would have it, made a trade off, a little more security for a little less compensation. That was until the Democrats went vote hunting. I find it a bit outrageous that the average federal worker now earns twice as much as the average citizen, AND the average citizen has a pension of less than $140 per month. If seeking great wealth was your brand of happiness... then putting capital at risk is how it works. That is bty, a low odds crapshoot.. but many take the gamble.

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kootchman
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Let's see how that works... from George Meany, President, AFL-CIO, and the Democratic FDR

"The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. FDR considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.”

In the words of Meany

"in terms of accepted collective bargaining procedures, government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition Congress—a right available to every citizen."

It wasn't until liberal Democrats promised unionization for votes did public employees get collective bargaining rights... starting with Wisconsin in 1959. Wonder why it is so that the most budget stressed states are the ones with the longest tradition of government employees who unionized? See NY State or California.... broke.

Ms. Gregoire won't even tell ya... you think this budget crisis is tough? The state pension fund is 5 bilion short, because the defined benefits plans given out so liberally, never.... wait until the taxpayer has to cough that sum up. It comes right out of the general fund... and we are in good shape compared to VA 20 billion short, CA 55 billion short.. NY..... “We can no longer sustain the current pension system,” Cuomo said, citing a projected 185 percent treasury-busting increase in pension costs from 2009 to 2015 if nothing is done.

And don't look for job creation to solve it... NY has lost every major marquee manufacturer, who fled the tax burden and what is left cannot attract good workers because of the piles and piles of taxes on personal income. Look at the states with the highest out migration of populations and businesses.. Job likes to point out RTW states have lower wages.... uh huh... they also have lower costs of government to sustain.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gov_public_pension_bomb_4JRP5KYgDOj5grjL2QWIFM#ixzz1jrawMTzW

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waynster
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Sorry Kootch I still would rather hang with a hot libral women (sorry hillary is hot) then a stuffy prude of a stuck up conservative women who thinks her crap don't stink ( sara )....oh and Job and Jan are in that same class as Ms.Clinton you just don't understand hot libral women kootch....

Posted 4 months ago #
redblack
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Mussolini was a liberal of the first order.

lol. i've seen all i need to see.

you accuse me of feeling entitled? really, now. this country wouldn't exist if it wasn't for collectivism.

kootch, you haven't the faintest shred of altruism, and you'll unabashedly tell any lie to "win" an argument and punch a liberal in the face.

good day, sir.

Posted 4 months ago #
JoB
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kootch..

so which do you think the pursuit of wealth snuggles under?
life? liberty? or the pursuit of happiness?

It is true that in the case of murder prosecutions, life often hangs on representation which is sketchy at best without money...
but the opposite is also true.. money is no guarantee of a life saving verdict...

And life could be said to hang on your financial resources when it comes to medical options for treating life threatening illness
but money is no guarantee against fatality when life threatening illness strikes

one could say you can buy more liberty with money..
but the opposite could also be said.. that money increases the need for security and therefore decreases actual liberty...

and happiness... money certainly can provide things.. and security.. but happiness?

i don't buy it.

as it turns out, the freedoms that our forefathers thought essential to our democracy are named...

and the pursuit of wealth isn't one of them

Posted 4 months ago #
william forest
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The GOP is not the GOP of your parents.. It is more rightly the theocratic fascist party. The term CONSERVATIVE and the "Conservative" voter has lost all its meaning. Faux conservative voters are now the GOP norm.

Liberals are all that is keeping this country from completely going down the road to religious and corporate tyranny.

Posted 4 months ago #
JoB
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willliam forest

i like to think that there are still Republicans out there who are more like my parent's generation of Republicans...
my that was a while ago:)

i can tell you that i spend time nearly every day with two republicans that i am proud to call friends... and that i am pretty sure are like my parent's generation of Republicans.

i do project work with another who is not at all like my parent's generation of republicans but whose heart can be generous.

republicans come in all shapes and sizes..
just like democrats

the republican party like the democratic party has strayed far from their talking points...

it's time to hold them BOTH accountable.

but.. i have to tell you..

i really really like your interpretation of the thin blue line :)

Posted 4 months ago #
munchkin22
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Well said JoB.
We've been saying for some time that the Dems are not our parents Dems. It IS true for both sides. Greed and power attainment I believe have increased exponentially for both parties for some time now. I can't claim that we are Repubs, but we are conservatives. But we also hug trees, grow organically and do many other things that are outside of the conservative definition. Heck, we're all human beings and we should all care for each other regardless of our differences in politics and religion. We believe it will all be sorted out one day.

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redblack
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muchkin: but the core values of rank-and-file democrats haven't changed. i'm not sure the same can be said of rank-and-file republicans.

since reagan, there has been an increasing - and i believe dangerous - distrust of all things government, a detestation of taxes, and the notion that half of our population are simply bums looking for handouts. this wasn't true under eisenhower and nixon, who both championed huge government programs like the interstate highway system and the EPA, respectively.

now, conservatives will say that deficits and debt are the result of democratic leadership's intransigence when it comes to government spending. their idea was to cut revenue - specifically, revenue that had been generated by the wealthiest americans - in order to "starve the beast" and force congressional democrats to curtail spending.

the sentiment is understandable, but i think the approach was wrong and far too heavy-handed. i.e. taxes were cut too deeply and too quickly with no time for compensation for the loss of revenue or for societal adjustments to the loss of federal programs.

and i hear the word "entitlement" thrown around like it's a bad word. the fact is that every citizen in this country benefits from government in some way, and we're all "entitled" simply by birth right.

i guess the upshot of what i'm saying is that the core values of rank-and-file democrats still revolve around basic notions of collectivism and asking those who can afford to pay more into the system to do so. without any kind of reasonable discussion those notions are bombarded with terms like "class warfare," "socialism," and "redistribution of wealth," which do nothing more than pit american against american.

edit: and, yes, those core democratic values are often ignored by the DNC, who promote "values" that are often very similar to those espoused by the RNC. conversely, i think modern republican and conservative values are dictated to them by the RNC and the corporate media, and that rank-and-file republicans largely believe what they're told to believe about democrats and government in general.

Posted 4 months ago #
JoB
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redblack..

although i agree with your basic analysis..
i would add that the slide in core values has affected us all across the political spectrum

Posted 4 months ago #
JanS
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Munchkin...in your post #38, you said "But we also hug trees, grow organically and do many other things that are outside of the conservative definition." Something I don't understand. Is there a "conservative" "Code of Conduct" that says you can't value and respect the earth, sustainability, etc., etc. ? A person being conservative in politics should still be able to care about earth in the way you speak. They shouldn't be mutually exclusive things, in my book. I never thought being conservative should absolve one of caring...glad you do :)

Posted 4 months ago #
sydney
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The Overton window is the current terminology for the "center" and has DEFINITELY slid to the right, absolutely the republicans in my childhood were to the left of Obama.

"Social justice" was not a dirty word.

Christians were proud to renounce wealth and now the conservatives might as well be called the "richies".

I'm very concerned that Kootchman keeps talking as if everyone was born with equal ability and should be rewarded if their ability coincides with good luck in the workplace. Which would be fine if he also did not believe a certain corollary: since others were not, they should be punished (the opposite of rewarded).

Picture a dog and a cat. The dog fetches, so he is rewarded and the cat, who isn't inclined, therefore ought to be starved.

A baby and a grandmother shouldn't be punished because they aren't foaming at the mouth to form a corporation and hoard wealth.

Posted 4 months ago #
HMC Rich
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Hello William Forest. Please do not think I wish you ill will, for I do not. But I want to answer your post.

You are entitled to your opinion. I would like you to prove it. Back up your words with your version of the facts. You don't have to if you do not want to. I have my points of view as do you.

But I say to you... Government is larger than ever. The Debt is larger than ever. Obama has matched Bush's spending in 3 years what he spent in 8 and it is still going up. On him baby. Whoever blames Bush must blame Obama too. He is just doing it faster.

JoB is right about the parties. I can't believe I said that.

There is a battle in the GOP over Conservative and non conservative. The party is evolving. (Some would joke ((or just say)) devolving). The Rockefeller arm of the Republican party is shrinking but there are plenty of Non-conservative Republicans out there.

Could you Stop the Theocratic BS. At the end of Article 6 in the Constitution there is only one direct reference about religion concerning law. "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." That's it. That is the law.

Then add the First Amendment which further segregates a national religion. I particularly like the wording in the Washington State Constitution's Preamble about the "Supreme Ruler Of The Universe. Oh my!!

Let me ask you a question. Are the ten commandments so bad? There cannot be a Federal Religion. It is in the constitution that the Commander in Chief loves to ignore. Are you prejudiced against the people of Moses and those of Judaism, and later Christians?

Or how about from the Prophet Muhammad "The three best things: to be humble amidst the vicissitudes of fortune; to pardon when powerful; and to be generous with no strings attached."
How about Bhuddha? I particularly like "Ignorance is the real evil."
We are fortunate as people to have spiritual guidance from a variety of sources. Most of it positive.

Some will talk about the judgmental aspect of religion, but your post was also dripping with judgement. So which is worse?

I am not a church attending Christian, (in fact a very bad Christian) but I might at times notice people making generalizations without a few words to support their position. I have met my share of judgmental and some down right mean Christians, Jews, Atheists etc, but they are entitled to their opinions too. So be it. That is your issue but since you shared it, I thought I would address it.

Sticks and Stones, but if you are in California, a darn good lawyer might be needed.

Have a nice day.

Posted 4 months ago #
HMC Rich
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A different way to look at liberals. In fact, you self proclaimed Liberals should NOT read this.

http://mentalrecession.blogspot.com/2012/01/yes-liberalism-is-mental-disorder.html

Posted 4 months ago #
redblack
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"Liberalism is a disease of the mind that weakens and corrupts human beings." - Adolf Hitler, 1939

savage is a great comedian, but he should get his own material.

Posted 4 months ago #
dhg
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I read it, HMC, and I find it to be near total fantasy. Much like Rush's rants, there is no there there. He starts by claiming that glitter bombing Santorum is done simply as a need to be seen and admired. The issue behind the glitter bombing, viz. discrimination of gay people, is entirely ignored. So, in response, here's a link to that other Savage: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=11589595

and a quick pull quote: "You know what gave me a sad? Reading about Janice Langbehn and Lisa Pond. The women, together 18 years, were vacationing in Florida in 2007 with three of their four children when Pond suffered an aneurysm. Langbehn and the children were barred from Pond's room when they arrived at the hospital. A social worker informed Langbehn—who was distraught—that she wouldn't be able to see her wife because they were in an 'anti-gay city and state.'"

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JanS
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Rich..I respect you...but get off your high horse...

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kootchman
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Well sydney, do you treat a dog like a cat? Of course there are differing abilities, varied circumstances, but equality of outcomes was never and can never be a mandated outcome. It has always been so and alway will be so. And why is it redblack that no one trust government any longer? Everyone just woke up one fine morning and decided not to trust government? By deeds and actions. The "corporate tyranny" has never been made more manifest than by this administration. You know not your history..or the definition of facism. Read it. It more closely defines democrats than republicans. The supremacy of the state over the individual. Remember Hitler was swept into power by unemployment, soaring debt, lack of social mobility, and he found more than willing partners in corporate Germany upon whom he showered favor upon favor. Blame the "monied Jews" is about as sensical as the Obama drumbeat of it's ALL the fault of the 1% ..sydney, and all liberals want to deny that most circumstances lie in decisions made. No one can stop an individual from making life decisions that just plain suck. Look at Obama's inner finance circle.. ?!! All Wall Street all the time. Mercedes of 1932 would look with great approval upon the Obama GM bailout. Terms like "facism" are rhetorical junk from the left. It is them and they know it not. Perfect. As the Germans claimed "ignorance" or more cynically, partook of the benefits of belonging to the state and embraced the doctrine.

And JoB.. if it is in the definition of an individual to pursue material wealth as happiness and liberty... so be it. It's probably an employer.

Posted 4 months ago #
JanS
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Terms like "fascism"? Yet you have no problem with calling out socialism. It's time to get past the isms, don't you think? And how many people are tired (you?) of the blaming of the 1%, yet you blather on and on about all the blaming going towards Prez. Obama. It's all the same, Kootch, and it's effing tiresome...

oh, and.."Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
-Benito Mussolini

Posted 4 months ago #
JoB
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kootch...

the point is that there is nothing in our constitution that speaks to the right to pursue wealth.. yet that is the right that you most vigorously defend.

it is however, the obligation of corporations..
excepting B corporations :)
who may be people in disguise :->

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