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Forum Civility, Candor, and Courtesy


  1. 365Stairs
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    365Stairs

    Folks...I'm sure this is not the first time for someone to point out that topic responses are little out of hand...

    Can there be more civility, respect, professionalism, candor, and courtesy when adding your comments?

    I've learned a ton from you folks this past year...and appreciate the ability to respond when it makes sense for me...

    No sides have all the answers...please don't think you do. We all win when an idea is shared, discussed, contended, and either understood or respectfully disagreed with.

    Humor helps...but but not at the expense of others.

    Serious topics require serious thought and not rash judgement...

    If I am way off here...sorry...but too much labeling, name calling, bashing, and outright rudeness are turning me off to this place...

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  2. hear, hear !!

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  3. EmmyJane
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    EmmyJane

    Needed to be said. Thanks 365Stairs.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  4. KatherineL
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    Too bad some people never learned to be candid courteously.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  5. 2 Much Whine
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    2 Much Whine

    Unfortunately the bloggers that this applies to will likely not recognize that it does. Hopefully I'm not one of them. I do often post for humor factor (with often slight snarkiness) alone. Point taken, 365. I would hate for this to turn into the freakshow that is CL Rants and Raves.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  6. good heavens
    what did i say now?

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  7. metrognome
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    one of the blogs I frequent has a "three and out" policy; it's fairly easy to enforce as it is a daily blog rather than an on-going discussion forum. Maybe 'we' should voluntarily apply a similar rule here, at least to political threads; one can only post 3 times per 50 postings in a thread or has to wait at least 12 hours between posts, for example. Might help people consider what they are saying before they post (or even whether to post or to wait to see what others have to say first) and stop some of the ping-pong games between individuals. Might also encourage others who are hesitant to post in the current atmosphere to jump in. Another option is to have the original poster act as a moderator of sorts as well to ensure that the thread stays on track.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  8. kootchman
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    I think it is reflexive instinct of some, to want to regulate and impose upon others, their particular version of "correct discourse" We have guidelines. The terms of service, as authored and enforced by WSB. Thanks metrognome, but we don;t need a net nanny.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  9. And I think it's also an unthinking reflex to label ideas and people different from yourself with names... like "net nanny" for example. Metrognome posted a thoughtful idea. Whether you agree with it or not, it's an idea that deserves some respect and thoughtful consideration. If you disagree, which you are absolutely free to do, you don't have to label the idea or the author with a common name that implies that your disagreement is more superior than that posted. Did you really mean "net nanny" as a statement of respect regarding your feelings toward the author and his/her idea?

    And define "we" please. For whom do you speak?

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  10. metrognome...

    i get the intent behind your post

    but putting a meter on my posts would definately take some of the fun and effectiveness out of this forum for me:(

    i post when i need to take a break...
    so some days that might mean that i am at the computer every hour on the hour and others that i don't check in till nightfall or first thing in the morning before i start my day...
    or heaven forbid.. not at all.

    some days there is plenty of interaction and plenty to post.
    some days i log on and off without anyone ever noticing.

    I know, i know.. it isn't all about me :(
    unless of course it is ;->

    on a more general level,
    limiting posts would inhibit conversation.

    can you imagine a conversation where you had to wait 12 hours to counter the counter someone else made to your point or to respond to an interesting idea simply because you had used up your turns?

    You can't because that conversation wouldn't exist... or if it did, it wouldn't be very interesting.

    we log on here because although sometimes heated, the conversation here is interesting.

    in some ways we are our own mini occupy wall street movement :)
    trading ideas and attempting to move towards consensus.

    on good days we manage.
    but even on bad days we challenge what even those who agree with us think they know.

    yes, it gets out of hand at times.
    Yes, people can react badly when challenged.
    and yes.. all of us can take it personally when someone crosses that line between calling an idea stupid and calling a person stupid.

    but on the whole, it works.

    i would like to see more curiosity than bombast here..
    but here i go being all suzy Q again...
    sometimes challenging bombast leads to curiosity ...

    OK.. it's less effective for those who enter the fray and participate in the exchange than for those who silently read and ponder our many points and counterpoints and links and ...

    but sometimes even one of us dim egocentric posting bulbs is enlightened...
    and admits it.

    oh joy!

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  11. kootchman..

    didn't your mommy teach you that name calling isn't nice?

    that's what that kind of labeling is, you know.

    we have all become far too accustomed and tolerant of incivility.

    yes, incivility.

    as much as i hated miss manners
    i have to admit that it can be a lot more fun to make someone look like a buffoon by challenging their ideas than by calling them names.

    you should try it some time ;->

    it turns our that being smarter really was the best revenge for all those four eyes encyclopedia mouth bookworm knobby knees geek comments.

    That.. and finally growing into :)
    and eventually out of :(
    the angular planes of my adolescent body.

    sigh

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  12. FreedomFromSmSelfRighteousness
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    Agree with OP!! I don't mind snarkiness. I'm pretty sure the people who caused me to abandon thougthts of commenting on this blog [present thread excepted, of course] would be the very last to think this applies to them at all. Passive-agressive attacks are SOOOOOO easy to see through. So is self-righteousness.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  13. Dear FreedomFromSelfRighteousness:

    We are in receipt of your recent communication and are wondering something. Does this mean you'll be gracing us with your presence more often in the future? Or did you just drop in to remind us all of how much you long to be free from our self-righteousness?

    And speaking of same, just what IS the connection between your screen name and self-righteousness, exactly? I've tried and tried, but I can't figure it out . . .

    Longing desperately to hear back from you,

    FreedomToBeSelfRighteous

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  14. I love Miss Manners. She has the best snark.

    One of the things I miss about Usenet was that, before every post or reply, the client would ask you: "Are you absolutely certain that you want to do this?"

    On the other hand, the Usenet flamewars make everything that happens around here seem like an unruly kindergarten class by comparison, so maybe it doesn't help all that much.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  15. I like the three and out idea, but the best WSB feature has got to be the "ignore this poster" feature.

    I've used it on two prolific WSB posters who think the longer their post the better it makes it. They also seem to be self-apponted experts on just about every topic when in reality their anecdotal "evidence" proves nothing.

    Using that feature has increased my WSB pleasure exponentially.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  16. The other thing I miss about Usenet is the killfile, which is essentially what the "ignore this poster" is.

    Some things about the Internet have always been with us.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  17. redblack
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    redblack

    datamuse: yep. usenet was bare-knuckled and bloody.

    WSB forums is nice and orderly, and i like it a lot more.

    for one thing, people on WSB are (for the most part) much more pensive and less reactionary, and i don't have to drop as many f-bombs here to make my point.

    [edit: but i often wonder how many people here have plonked me.]

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  18. kootchman
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    "We" as in all of us who consented to the terms of service..we have a regulating mechanism.. that we. Indeed I meant meant "net nanny" as a condemnation of the impulse to regulate speech that finds its way in threads. It is not a term of respect. It lies somewhere between contempt of thought police and a sad regret that there is a such wimpish nature of using "rules" to try and regulate others to the point of a pablum consistency of discourse.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  19. kootch...
    don't be such a net nanny ;->

    jimmyG
    i can't remember the last time you talked with me.
    is it something i said?

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  20. kootchman
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    Net nanny... any woman over fifty in fish net stockings. Sigh

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  21. kootch...

    there are some images i really don't need planted in my head before bedtime:(

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  22. I am too kind to tell you what I think of you on here. I can't do it...simply not possible. I respect the editors of the blog here too much.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  23. Do not speak for me, my dear Mr. K. I am one of the "we" who has agreed to the terms of this forum. And please remove those net stockings. They are unbecoming to a gentleman of your age.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  24. TDe...

    oh how i wish i had thought to say that...

    i tip the hat i am not wearing to you
    well done... well done ;->

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  25. Now now folks - let's not be too hard on good old kootchman. How about if he shaved his legs before parading around in his fish net stockings?
    .

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  26. Kevin...

    have a heart..
    this is a family channel

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  27. skeeter
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    I am somewhat active on another forum chatboard focused on automobiles. A variety of topics are discussed in addition to cars. It's an active forum - several hundred posts per day.

    The "politics" section of the forum seemed to be too contentious. After 600 warnings from moderators, the politics section was shut down. Honestly, I don't think anyone misses it. It just brought out the worst in people. For some reason we all need to get the last word in when it comes to politics.

    I've noticed some nastiness on the WSB forums as well. I wonder if the moderators have ever considered some action to try to keep things more civil.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  28. ws4ever
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    Some see life as a roller-derby. Apologists try to understand them. I'm seeing people acting more aggressively in general lately, people needing to be sure they belong more than others. I don't care any more that their behavior is driven by fear of scarcity. People need to called on their behavior.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  29. kootchman
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    Yep... that's what politics does..l calls people on their behavior. It's as ugly as the corruption that infest the body politic.

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  30. and then..maybe some of us need to pay attention to ourselves, and call ourselves on our own behavior..

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  31. Jeez Jan..
    I've been minding my tongue lately...
    really :(

    Posted 6 months ago #         
  32. lol..

    Posted 6 months ago #         

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