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1. westseattledood
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   Apropos of nothing WS related, except how universally wonderful pets are. I thought it might bring a smile or two.

   http://youtu.be/B8ISzf2pryI

   (btw, this is not my dog, obviously; but mine *does* do the lippy thing when he's excited, fyi. :))

   Enjoy.

   Posted 1 year ago #         

2. service dog academy
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   You may think thats funny, but I think its heart breaking. Having studied and professionally trained dogs for several years I can see that this poor dog has CLEAR signs of STRESS and ANXIETY.

   Weve got
   avoidance of eye contact
   turning of the head
   lip licking
   ears back
   tail tucked
   submissive grin

   Personally it looks like a clear instance of psychological doggie torture to me. Very heartbreaking indeed.

   Posted 1 year ago #         

3. JanS
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   all I could think of was "Poor puppy"...stoopid adult for leaving the cat treat out where the dog could get it.

   Posted 1 year ago #         

4. westseattledood
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   You are certainly entitled to your opinion formed from your "several years" training, without a doubt.

   However, I think it speaks to many non- trainers who own and love their dogs. 7.5 million of them, as the number of YouTube viewers indicates.

   I'm glad you are sensitive to animals well-being, given your business.

   But I am not into torturing animals. I will assume that was not your assumption or your implication, nor your intended meaning.

   .

   Posted 1 year ago #         

5. service dog academy
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   You can downplay my experience all you want, the ASPCA agrees with me.

   http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/50/Canine-Body-Language.aspx
   "Fearful, Scared
   When your dog is scared, he does his best to look small. Often, his body looks hunched, with his tail held low or tucked between his rear legs and his ears flattened back on his skull. He might cower close to the ground. If escape is possible, he might lean so that his center of gravity is over his rear legs to permit a hasty retreat, or lean to the side so that he can recoil. He might look directly at the source of his fear or he might look away. The muscles of his body and face are tense and rigid. He might yawn in an exaggerated way."

   

   Yes, I will reiterate, its deliberate psychological doggie torture.

   Posted 1 year ago #         

6. westseattledood
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   Hmmm.

   You'll be more effective with your knowledge if you take it up with the video maker, Service Dog Academy. Not me. There is a very interactive owner site linked to the video. I would be curious to know what the feedback from them will be.

   Posted 1 year ago #         

7. service dog academy
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   I suffer from an anxiety condition myself and to see that someone deliberately put a dog into a state of anxiety because they thought it was funny really is sick, sad and wrong.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse
   "Psychological abuse, also referred to as emotional abuse or mental abuse, is a form of abuse characterized by a person subjecting or exposing another to behavior that may result in psychological trauma, including ANXIETY, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder.[1][2][3] Such abuse is often associated with situations of power imbalance,"

   Posted 1 year ago #         

8. westseattledood
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   Again, hmm.

   It is unfortunate that you suffer from a debilitating disorder, SDA. That must be a challenge. But If you do decide to contact the actual dog owner who made the video and who actually owns the dog in an effort to constructively educate /communicate with him about this, do let me know the outcome. There are,
   if I remember correctly, about 35,000 or more people on that
   site you could communicate with about your concerns.
   And meanwhile, I will continue to enjoy my goofy happy well-adjusted dog who smiles when I get his leash.

   You take care of yourself.

   Posted 1 year ago #         

9. DP
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   Oh c'mon, SDA! "Sick, sad, and wrong"? That's overdoing it just a little, don't you think?

   If you're going to worry about something, you should worry about this poor guy and the weird fantasy world he's constructed around his pets.

   These dogs are clearly not abused. They may be somewhat embarrassed for their owner though.

   Posted 1 year ago #         

10. service dog academy
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    DP, if someone in an extreme power position put you in a state of anxiety just for the purpose of laughing at you, wouldnt you think that was sick, sad and wrong?

    I try to NEVER put the dogs I train or own into a state of anxiety because Ive been there and it feels awful.

    Posted 1 year ago #         

11. jwws
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    On another doggie note - these guys just wanted a drink....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwlMVYqMu4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Posted 1 year ago #         

12. JimmyG
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    That dog isn't abused.

    Thanks for the link dood.

    Posted 1 year ago #         

13. Duskyviolet
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    As an owner of a dog who blatantly wears her guilt on her sleeve...so to speak, I can appreciate Doods intentions of humor.

    And for the record abused dogs aren't funny...these dogs don't appear abused just guilty.

    Posted 1 year ago #         

14. AlkiCabCompany
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    We do this to our children too and they do the same thing. Look down and feel guilty. As for the Beagle we have, even if I don't show her the evidence of her bad behavior, she is still over on the couch with a guilty look on her face when I am cleaning up the mess.

    On another note, she has high car anxiety and does that yawning thing. Do you have a training class for dogs with car anxiety?

    Posted 1 year ago #         

15. Cait
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    And if that's abuse - is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9oxmRT2YWw.

    Posted 1 year ago #         

16. DP
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    And speaking of torture:

    http://www.wimp.com/marshmellowtest/

    Posted 1 year ago #         

17. BigRed
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    DP- What do you do all day?!? I want your job!!! The links you post are too much! I love it! The drunken baby in a bar is by FAR the best, but this one is a close second!

    Posted 1 year ago #         

18. AlkiDebbie
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    I don't think I would pass the marshmellow test. Sweets are my downfall. Thanks for the link DP.

    Posted 1 year ago #         

19. EmmyJane
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    Does anyone know what it means when your dog pants ALL THE TIME (ok, minus sleeping/resting time). I looked it up online and there were references to it being an anxiety thing. We got a dog two weeks ago and she's panted non-stop since (I'm thinking it's from the stress of having a new home) but she pants so constantly that I'm wondering if it's something else. Golden Retriever thing?

    Posted 1 year ago #         

20. BigRed
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    Emmy Jane- I am no expert but when we first brought Stella (cute black dog in avatar photo) home she panted for weeks.... It eventually stopped. I think it was nerves. She is now happy and healthy and only pants after playing hard in the backyard with her brother....Or if there is a thunderstorm/fireworks.
    .
    Congrats on the new dog :-)

    Posted 1 year ago #         

21. chris h
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    While I probably wouldn't go so far as to call this abuse, the dog is clearly incredibly stressed out and it makes me uncomfortable to watch it.

    It is easy to misunderstand dogs signals and I am guessing the owner is innocent in misinterpreting his dogs body language. I used to have a dog that was very uncomfortable around strangers and his yawns were often interpreted as tired and his lip licking as thirst. To me, it meant it was time to move on and get him out of a situation that was uncomfortable. I'm glad that I had learned this through attending training with him and think my dog was happier for it.

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