Please e-mail pictures you would like posted to the new Dog Owner Wall of Shame to alkifan@gmail.com.
Please make sure that you get a clear picture of the Owner's face and remember to submit details of why they should be posted to this public website.
The purpose of this site is to document owners who refuse to obey the leash law, and the Seattle Parks law about dogs.
Maybe this will help deter the ongoing dog owner negligence?
vincent
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Can I submit pictures of myself? if that is a violation of the rules, can I find out when you will be at the park so I can unleash my dog for a picture in front of you.
pro tip, have bacon in your pockets so your ready.
Go ahead and submit a picture of yourself Vincent and I'll meet you at the park tomorrow whenever you want.
thee
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Great idea... right up there with uh.... wait... I'll think of something.
I would like to caution people on being over zealous and creating confrontations. This reeks of a problem they had in Portland a few years back and things got very ugly.
Good luck with the mission.
JenV
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and I would like to caution people on keeping bacon in their pockets. that is SURE to end in trouble, as crazy as WS is about their bacon.
Mayor Quimby
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This is totally funny humor and not a problem, I repeat...not a problem.
Even though off-leash dog owners pretty much have their heads up their dog's @$$, I usually just shake my head and say to myself "What kind of message would I send off if I told that guy/gal not to let his/her dog piss in the Puget Sound?"
I don't know if it warrants a website and an underground photography army, but I like it. Did I miss the link for the site? Be sure and give updates to any confrontation that happens and that is also when good photos of someone looking pissed off into the camera come to life!!!
Mayor Quimby here is the link...
http://alkiwallofshame.blogspot.com/
B-squared
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Great idea! Thanks for doing this. Will be taking camera down to Lincoln park from now on. and keep the calls, emails and letters to animal control coming. this is a decent revenue-generating opportunity that they shouldn't pass up.
I think this is hilarious- I'll be checking the website frequently and even know someone who will probably end up with her picture on it. I just hope no one goes crazy on you for posting their pictures- serves them right, but not you, alkifan.
Great idea, Alkifan. I've considered doing this at my job. I manage a formal public garden, and it's amazing how many people think they can just let their dogs off leash to tear up the planting areas. Not only that, they seem to think that it's the gardener's responsibility to clean up after their dog. One guy let his dog crap in the middle of the walkway right in front of me. When I asked him to pick it up, he laughed in my face and walked away. I may start taking photos and posting them in the kiosk near the garden entry. Or, I'll just start sending them to you! Thanks.
Bikefor1
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There is a newspaper that publishes mug shots and it's perfectly legal. Not only legal but successful. It is branching out to other cities.
Why not a dog owner Wall of Shame? Especially since it will include a photo of the crime being committed.
What happened in Portland, exactly?
thee
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Still no scofflaws posted on the site.... dang! C'mon, you've all been deputized. Get busy!
sam-c
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In Portland, wasn't there a big forested area that people let their dogs run off leash, similar to Lincoln Park or Schmitz Park, and someone started leaving poisoned sausage all over the place (where dogs running off leash would find it). Believe it was so bad that dogs died from the poison.
sam-c
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I think it is great you are so passionate about something. And, I understand the threat of dogs off leash and irresponsible dog owners. However, I am wondering if there are not more serious crimes you might devote your energies to? I guess if you feel this is your mission, go right ahead, but really, I think people are just going to keep doing what they are doing. If they are out in public doing it, I don't see why reiterating it on a public blog would really make a difference.
Jeez Cali101, so nice of you to authorize someone to spend their time how they choose. Glad their use of time met your approval, NOT.
Why would you criticize someone for how they spend their time, unless you are criticizing yourself for taking the time to write useless internet posts - wait that is me, get back to work slacker.
Point taken Rico. Sorry about the wording in that previous message, and apologizing in advance to AlkiFan. I just feel sad that the spirit of the blog's intent seems to be adversarial/confrontational. Hope it makes a difference, but I think it might just be more amusing for readers and feed negativity.
flowerpetal
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I doubt that a wall of shame will change the practice one iota. I guess what I find uncomfortable is the title. Shame is a powerful emotion and one that people spend money with therapists to overcome. Not that the pictures themselves are going to send someone into therapy. Its more the practice of shaming someone that is icky.
You will never catch me telling someone "shame on you."
Very nicely put, flowerpetal.
OlMom
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I guess everyone needs a hobby
Thanks for the first entry...
http://alkiwallofshame.blogspot.com/
JenV
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you might want to actually look at that photo, Alkifan. That dog is clearly on a leash.
FAIL.
Jiggers
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It has to be off its leash. This doesn't count. And picking up poop is not what we are after.
beachdrivegirl
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Im neutral. This isnt necessarily a pass (the dogs on a leash) but it defin. is not a fail! the dog is on the beach.
JenV
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oh, I guess you're right on that one. I was focused on the "off leash" argument again. D'oh!
Retracted fail.
And there will be lots more pictures if this happens:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009657420_webbudget13m.html
(King County may cut Animal Control..... grrrrrrrreat.)
Seattle Animal Shelter responds inside city limits. King County Animal Services is for unincorporated areas and "contracting cities." Seattle of course has its own budget challenges but not nearly as bad as the county.
you guys must have better eyes than i.. i could see a retractable leash in the owner's hand and she was clearly picking up.. which is cool.. but i didn't see the leash itself attached to the dog.. and.. she is clearly on the beach :(
B-squared
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She is picking something up with a bare hand. not likely doggie-deposit. probably a rock. Dog on the beach - shame on her! I have no trouble with the shame aspect. she is making a decision that is selfish and against the law. No consideration or respect. bonus that the pic isn't flattering.
Jiggers
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If they close parks, they can use them for Tent Cities.
wilson
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Do any of you remember when stores would "post" or display the (NSF) returned checks -right there by the check out or cash register?? I guess one of two things happened...pay the store owner and get that check off the bulletin board (person who felt shame or embarassment) or...never go back to that store again- sooooooooooo....problem solved
This "wall of shame" might encourage or "shame" to put the leash on, or they won't go back to THAT park :)
vincent
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I love the ridiculous assumption of this thread that the persons in the photos will ever know of it, much less care.
this 'blog' (or witch hunt..whatever you prefer) is THE biggest 'GET A LIFE' I have ever seen. Pathetically stunning.
..and..Alki..just curious..will you be wandering the streets taking photos of cats roaming free...defecating on public property, destroying flower beds, or anything else? If a CAT is seen wandering on Alki Beach..what will you do? Ever try to remove cat urine?
How about we chase down the losers who dump their fast food wrappers, bags and drink cups in parking lots after eating? That raises the hair on my neck. Use a friggin garbage can, lazy butts.
Alkifan...so now that you've outed this woman...what now? If she contacts you and responds, and no longer walks on the beach, will you remove the picture, or stamp a big red RESOLVED across it so it's unrecognizable? Have you thought about this? These pictures stay on the internet forever and a day..you must have a follow-up plan...right?
hollyplace
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I like the idea of putting people who litter and discard cigarette butts on the ground on the site too!
alki-fan..
i have to agree with jan on this one...
if you are posting a wall of shame there has to be a mechanism for redemption or there would be no incentive to change your behavior once caught..
in for a penny.. in for a pound:(
Jan, these are great ideas. I don't know how the person would verify that it was them in the picture, etc... but if there was a way, I think it would be a nice resolution.
If you must take photos without permission of citizens that are knowing or unknowingly disobeying the law, I would suggest just sending the photos to the proper "authorities" (hate that word).
Purposefully trying to humiliate them on a public website is not so cool. I think it's negative energy being put forth and doesn't really solve the problem. I don't think anyone would want their photo on a wall of shame for doing something (perhaps accidentally) illegal, or what someone may find offensive. Does anyone you know of talk on a cell phone while driving? It's not an act that can get you pulled over, but it can be terribly dangerous. Should people photo the litterbugs, the jaywalkers, the stop sign runners? All of those things are foolish/dangerous/illegal.
I'm so against off leash dogs at public parks(!), I'll not bore anyone with that.. I've already blogged enough about it and I've used the form to report on Seattle Animal Control's website. But I just don't see this as being very constructive. I find it rather mean-spirited. Punishment Paparazzi.
This thought has crossed my mind, [cue harp and wavy picture] but I imagined it more of asking the offender if I could take their picture for my "Land of Entitlement" project. And my imagination led me to what would likely be a punch in the face. :) It was fun to think of, but I would never do it (hate emergency rooms).
At the very least if you feel the need to use the humiliation card, black box or blur the face of the person. Or for that matter the poor dog's face (not their fault).
I vote uncool.
I've been following this thread since the beginning and I couldn't agree more with aunteesocial. Totally uncool.
aunteesocial, you have a way with words wow.
How about this... if nobody sends any more pictures over this weekend, the "wall of shame" will be done, forgotten, eliminated.
I personally have very strong feelings about Alki Beach, and every other park for that matter. A park isn't a "park" when there is dog waste all over the place. Dog waste can cause serious health risks to anyone (children) who come into contact with it.
Thre are also environmental risks when it comes into contact with the Puget Sound.
Very recently I thought it would be nice to check out the park near Bevridge Place (spelling?) and when I brought my children there, we quickly realized that there was dog feces everywhere in that small grass area and had to leave immediately. How ABSOLUTELY frustrating!!!!!! The city put $$ into this, we were excited to check it out, and we'll never go back. I guess it is a dog park now. Sorry tax paying citizens.
I am not a mean spirited person. I am very dedicated to the environment, and also to the great community that we have here in West Seattle.
There will always be 'haters' on these forums, no matter what is posted, some people get off on trying to aggravate others. I have seen very strong feedback on the site however. There are a lot of people who believe that 'something' is being done, but they don't want people on this Forum to know who they are.
I personally don't see any harm in this site. People who are breaking the law don't give a damn. They know they won't be fined the posted $500, and they don't give a $*%& about anyone who is watching, or anyone who will be using the exact same sand that their dog did their business on.
Hey Alkifan… enough already. WE GET IT. You don’t like dog feces. But guess what, public parks also have pigeon poop , duck dump and goose goo, not to mention squirrel squirt, raccoon raunch and worm waste all equally unhealthy by your standards.
I think your “Dog Owner Wall of Shame” website is mean spirited, indicative of issues you have greater than individuals breaking the law. However, perhaps “Get mad and get even” is the example you want to set for your children.
"There are a lot of people who believe that 'something' is being done, but they don't want people on this Forum to know who they are."
But it's perfectly ok to post identifying pictures of others online, without their knowledge?
Could you be any more passive aggressive.
And someone needs some serious help with their copromania.
Jiggers
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I think the real issue that lonelycrow was trying to bring up is not dog crap but how dangerous and violent dogs are when their owners don't have them leashed. They let them stroll way in front of them approaching other people who they don't know and some poor person minding his own business is unsuspectingly attacked. There have been real close incidents I have seen at Lincoln Park, but luckily no real bodily injury that could cost the dog owner,and especially the state tens of thousands of dollars in court and settlement fees. Yes, people don't obide by the law and swift hard action should be taken once a case has been represented. Who will be made an example of in this regards, it could be you if you think its fun to let your pets run around freely.
"...but how dangerous and violent dogs are when their owners don't have them leashed. "
what a load. Your story of being accosted in LP is more of a testament to the ability of dogs to judge the character of strangers then inherent violence.
But I do love your willingness to join the WS nanny brigade when it suits.
Bubba...you don't seem to like most of us on here, or our opinions...perhaps there's another local blog that would be more suitable for you?
PinkFeathers
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GRR - I can't agree with you more! I think there was a study not long ago that said there were more dogs than kids per capita
with that - What about the Cigarette butts that people throw out on the street? Why not take pictures of that and give them to the owner of the establishments. Or the soccer mom's that drive too fast and talk on their cell phones with children in the car? Child endangerment?
Jan, I'm under the impression that I like most people on this blog and that there is a very vocal minority that I find irrational about a subject so I let Bubba speak out on that subject.
What makes you think that you represent most people on WSB?
My take would be that most people in WS and on the blog are responsible pet owners why don't you like us? I could suggest that there's a local blog that would suit this minority group of nannies better, but that really isn't the way I operate. I really don't work the passive aggressive thing that has been illustrated so well in this thread and which you just took to the highest order with your post.
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