Mr. Obama won. I would have preferred the other guy but maybe.... maybe the people in DC can solve a few of the problems we have. I hope things improve. Congratulations my Democratic friends.
Congratulations Mr. President
Glad that's over with...a welcome victory. I'm sure we'll still have plenty of political points to discuss but it's nice to have that one in the books.
These contests are interesting. Hard to beat an incumbent. Kerry and Romney have one more thing in common besides serving the people of Massachusetts. Could not beat the sitting President.
Maybe these Massachusetts guys should just decide not to be the nominee in the future.
don't forget dukakis.
but it helps his chances when the massachusetts guy can carry his own state.
thanks for the congrats, rich. i'm not gonna dance on your grave or anything. i'm just glad that this election turned the conversation toward the role of government in our country.
Sigh ... We lurch forward along the arc of history. Congrats... to all my Democrate friends and neighbors.
is this a mandate from the people?
even the House won't be the club you had hoped to swing.
Thanks for the congrats, Rich and kootch.
I gotta say congrats to the "blue" folks too. The democrats had a good night for sure. Not what I was hoping for, but life goes on.
Well done folks. Well done.
Congrats to our Democrat friends and neighbors.
I officially state that dobro was right an I was wrong! Painful as that was, tomorrow is another day, and I'm thankful that there were no riots!
Let's keep debate alive, stay civil and shape a better America!
Dobro nailed the vote - nice work and congratulations to all.
It appears to me that as the demographics continue to change in the D's favor the R's have to either move a little left or come up with some way to convince the minority populations that they have them in their best interest. Texas could be blue in eight years if trends continue, Arizona in four........game over!
If it weren't for the tea party Senate candidate losers this election and last, the Repubs would have a Senate majority. We'll see if they can figure that out and make a move or if the "we weren't conservative ENOUGH!" people win that argument.
We live in interesting times.
Personally I am glad its over. The election sure enough came down to the economy and its getting slightly better. The people felt he should have 4 more years. I am hopeful they can get something done in the political arena but who knows.
Obama lost some of the popular vote he had last time. I think that is an indication that the true independents want to see something, anything during the next 4 years. I am sure there are a bunch of secret meetings about the next presidential election. These guys just need to focus on the now and figure out how to get stuff done.
Besides, now we can get back to off leash dogs in lincoln park and zip lines. Oh, that is also an impressive play structure the volunteers build in Roxhil park.
Did you know that if you forget to renew your dogs' license, you get a $15.00 late fee. And if you miss that deadline it goes to $125. This is why I despise certain government functions.
I don't believe penalties like this shouldn't be allowed, but I still have to follow the law. Grrrrrr.
I suppose this should be a different thread. Oh Well.
I really don't know why this is a problem - private companies charge late fees all the time (credit cards anyone)? It's a perfectly legitimate business practice to encourage people to pay on time.
Well, isn't this thread a "wonderful" Kumbaya event. I may mean that in a very cynical way, but...
I won't spoil it, this time.
The Republican party of today has got to recognize that relying on an ever shrinking majority of white male vote will marginalize the party.
An article I read today said that when one party (Let's say Demos) captures a demographic trend, the old second party gets swept aside by a splinter of the dominant party, not by resurgence. Our history is short enough that this isn't a certainty, but long enough to suggest it could happen.
The social issues pushed by the fringe distract from the core values of the party which are attractive even to centrist demos (or independents). So thanks for the congrats -- you have work to do.
we have work to do too.
Obama only took 55% of the female vote.
placed in light of the demographics of this vote
and the 70% returns within ethnic communities..
we have a lot of work to do within our own communities.
it's time we stopped thinking of a little more than half as a landslide
and refocused on what a landslide looks like.
It's very clear from this vote that our characterization of Republicans as white males is misleading...
Wait til the minority community figures out, their jobless number grew under Obamanomics.... black unemployment went up 2% points this year. If you think 1.9 per cent of the popular vote is a roaring mandate... o-k then. I am betting right now... every business is trying to figure out where to park 1.5 trillion dollars to get their best return. Solve that Mr. President... and your next four years will be wonderful. Well JoB ... good insight. We have two morons who need a trip to the woodshed.... but.. we will be back.. and back..and back... fact is.. the Democratic party shrunk this election.... Republican registration was much higher than 08.
Jo, the karma meter is registering very good karma for you right now.
but.. we will be back.. and back..and back...
Republicans who want to stop the slide into irrelevancy should go back to the 50's they say they love and read the words of the last Republican president who did not need to be compared to Dubya to be seen as less evil than Sauron.
congrats to Barack. the question is now that he can't run for re-election does he have the balls to lead from the center?
the excess deficit spending needs to stop!
spending 18% of the GNP on health care is obscene; canada spends less than 10%.
the tax code is way to complex, eliminating tax deductions and loop holes needs to be done
broadening the tax base to include all americans in paying an income tax is appropriate.
how about a national sales tax on junk food and soda pop?
raising the retirement age for social security.
reduce excess military spending
reduce unemployment benefits and put the money into spending on infrastructure
make it easier to fire incompetent teachers and other government employees.
Two days removed...The People have spoken...again...and the world as we know it is still revolving around the sun... and yet the epic divide continues on this forum...
It is likely an unfair litmus test of both size and geography...but If you (20) or so real passionate and seemingly well educated or at least well read and listened people can't seem to find some common ground...how can you expect your elected officials to do the same?
But I suppose compromise is not very possible...when The People spoke (again) to keep the leadership "in check" with a divided Congress..no one party initiative is likely to be passed without a fight...
The only way we move FORWARD! is to find common ground period on the fundamentally key issues impacting all of us now...Each elected official has to GIVE something...knowing they may NOT GET something in return...and WE THE PEOPLE have to accept this for the good all our futures!
Nothing should untouchable in this regard. Start with the fluff..."going line by line" like was promised!
President Obama must do everything within his power and then some to unite Congress and Congress should listen to their constituents!
I am off the political postings from here on...
Wasn't that good at it anyway...
I will still listen and learn...and effectively pray.
Rich, if there were no penalties then why would anyone bother to license their pets?? I personally like having pets licensed. I just am sure to get mine paid on time. What's the matter? Did you get yours paid late??
hooper1961, I like the way you're thinking here. Should have been done long ago. My two cents: Term limits in congress. The dirty scoundrels think it's for life and set themselves up for it.
i would agree to four of your eight..
now you get to agree to give up four
that's what compromise looks like
which four JoB
JoB still waiting for a response?
Thank you America for the votes that gave our President a second term.....The one thing I am so grateful when elections are over is no more adds we get our TV's, radios and no more of them ugly (waste of money) yard signs up and down the roads lol........The country has spoken whether you agree or not its time to focus on the mandates that face the country as a whole...don't be afraid to voice your opinions on those elected delegates state or federal email tell them your concerns remember we the people elected them and yes we the people can vote them out....my biggest concern is getting spending under control in the election process billions spent on negative adds if we could focus that much energy and money on elections just think what we could do with it other wise......now its time to rebuild for the future come together and do what's right for our great nation and this weekend say thank you to a vet for if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have elections like this.....THANK YOU....to those who have served and are serving....
hooper...JoB is out of town for the weekend dealing with sadnesses of the realities of life. She is not here to answer your questions on demand, for goodness sake ! Get over yourself !
jans i was not aware job was out of town. hope you are getting better!
Now the question is - Will the people hold the Pres accountable? They sure didn't over the last four years. It saddens me to see how short sited a portion of the voters are.
My two cents: Term limits in congress.
but what about coupling those with limits on campaign donations and spending?
how about reducing the influence of lobbyists and big money in our government?
a lot of folks talk about government's role in business. but what about business's increasing role in government? time to decouple the two.
I think I'd want to first outlaw lobbyists - no more golf trips, no more buying votes, no more favoritism to money. That might get Congress first to do the job we sent them for. We are their employers, and I know I'm damned sick and tired of the obstructionists that they've become. They are not serving our country no matter how much they think they are !
Hooper...it's been a long haul, and I've been away from home for almost 7 weeks now, but things are on the mend, and I may make it home by Thanksgiving...I sure hope so ! Thanks for inquiring :)
Sure redblack... we can't even agree on lobbyists... unions are. My message is to Boehner... buck up! We can weather a 9 per cent unemployment ,,,, "they can't. Give em what they want... repeal ALL the Bush tax cuts... everyone of them. Not just the ten per cent... everyone gets to throw into the pot. Repeal THEIR Bush tax cuts....not mine!
Boehner has opened the door to eliminating some deductions that is a reasoned first step.
so now what do the Dem's compromise on? raise the retirement age? stop the extension of unemployment benefits?
on the Rep's side - acknowledge that pruning military spending has to be a part of a package.
Dem's - eliminate/reduce welfare to all able bodied people?
anyway the point is that both sides need to compromise.
My message is to Boehner... buck up!
JoB I am still waiting for a response; refn post 27.
JoB I am still waiting for a response; refn post 27.
hooper...JoB is out of town for the weekend dealing with sadnesses of the realities of life. She is not here to answer your questions on demand, for goodness sake...
not the best move..
i might have negotiated
but since you make demands and my team awas the winning team...
i will give you
cut the cost of health care ..
and we do it my way:)
WooHoo! single payer here we come
i love the idea of a national sin tax on junk food & soda
can we add more for booze and cigarettes?
how about GMOs and high fructose corn syrup too
WooHoo! fianncial incentives to eat real food.
reduce excess military spending
with special emphasis on contract work
WooHoo! Goodbye Haliburton!
simplifiying the tax code and eliminating deductions...
from the top down... with childcare, medical expenses, job training and mortgage deductions the last to go...
WooHoo! an effective rate for millionaires that resembles mine!
I am guessing i am far more reasonable with your list than you would be with mine
basic health care with co pays is cost effective. private insurance for high cost drugs and procedures. in other words if you break a leg you can get it set, but if you get cancer and have not paid for insurance tough luck. the US spends 18% of its GDP on health care canada less than 10%. hybrid system!
sin tax on junk food, wow we agree on something! 5% national sin tax on junk food.
military spending, wow more agreement
simplifying the tax code makes sense. mortgage deduction is a huge cost to uncle sam. simply get rid of it first!
also we need to recognize people live longer than ever before thus raising the retirement age and tweaking down the growth rate in benefits is also needed.
JoB sorry to hear that you were out of town dealing with sadnesses of the realities of life.
JoB - I suspect I am more pragmatic than you think.
Boehner has already conceded many points to the President in an email to the Prez. The problem is, Obama will take that then keep pushing his agenda. I can hope that some meaningful debt reduction comes about but I will be shocked if it happens.
If it was soooooo important, Mr. Reid and Mr. Obama would have already passed a true budget. So forgive me for being cynical but I am.
Regarding the pet license. Guilty of not paying on time. The notice (and fine) hit me on a bad day (possibly the election) and I have always been against taxing pets. Just me. I would tax bicycles in a split second if I could. Yes, private companies charge penalties but if you call they forgive them quite often whereas the greedy government generally does not.
I am still expecting my refund from the monorail debacle. Didn't the city make a profit? Correct me if I am wrong. Fat chance I will see a refund. Maybe they should have used the extra to rebuild the seawall.
John Boehner will not compromise. He firmly believes that compromise means Obama doing what he says with no questions asked. Maybe you feel otherwise, but Boehner talks out both sides of his mouth. He wants to keep his job, pure and simple. In the end, they will obstruct again, same old story, our way or the highway. You consider that working with the president? I don't. I predict it will be the same ol', same ol'...voted right down party lines...
did you not notice that the country that you cited with lower medical costs than ours does NOT have basic health insurance with co-pays...
there are countries that do.. they have mandatory insurance for every citizen that has a regulated rate with a reasonable profit built with i think no co=pays.. and additional insurance available at regulated costs...
don't tell me you are ready to actually regulate the health insurance industry?
and don't think that i failed to notice that the mortgage deduction is the ONE in your crosshairs... that will raise the effective tax rate of those who hold jobs but will likely do little for the effective tax rate of the wealthy who will simply find a way to make their homes a business expense...
and no, it isn't that difficult to do.
"JoB sorry to hear that you were out of town dealing with sadnesses of the realities of life."
thanks.. it seems i have reached that age where not only my friend's parents, but my friends and their children are dieing.
We do what we can to help one another.
John Boehner's idea of compromise is conceding that the winner of the election should get what the loser proposed.
Admitted.. he will have a tough time selling anything less to the tea party fanatics you admire because they considered Romney's position a compromise too far...
but there you go.
when anything left of far right looks like a compromise.. you paint a centerist President socialist...
and to be perfectly honest.. nobody's happy.
the folks who elected this centrist as the best of two options are none too happy with the compromises he is willing to make just to get to the negotiating table.
we think compromising from a comprised position is not a strong bargaining position...
as evidenced by the health care bill we got out of the last great compromise which was essentially a Republicans bill ecycled.
I am not willing to accept another four years of the Democrats blaming the Republicans for doing nothing...
One wonders why you are willing to accept Republicans adding the social agenda America rejected in this election to every bill as the price of doing business?
Obama did not win with any mandate at all. Yes he won. But the electorate also maintained republican control of the house!
In our state yes the D's won but the voter's also don't trust the D's on taxes!
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