I coulnd't resist posting this for my friends JanS, JOB, Kootch, Bostonman, and all you guys and gals out there!!
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/214228/3/Company-Policy-We-are-not-hiring-until-Obama-is-gone
I'm taking it one step further. I won't brush my teeth until Obama is gone :-)
Do you wear dentures?
transplantella
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I'm up to the challenge! I'll quit shaving my legs till Obummer is gone.
and he thinks by the wave of some magic wand things will automatically reverse themselves? He's deluding himself. But..life is about choices, and if that's his, he can live with it. My question is..what will he do if things don't get better for him in the future, under some future president?
Bostonman..if Skeeter doesn't wear dentures now, he will be :D
"New Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone."
"Can't afford it," explained the employer, Bill Looman, Tuesday evening. "I've got people that I want to hire now, but I just can't afford it. And I don't foresee that I'll be able to afford it unless some things change in D.C."
Looman's company is U.S. Cranes, LLC.
Yeah, that's his choice all right, but if this guy is running any kind of serious construction business, he's not doing himself any favors. Who in their right mind would contract with an outfit that refused to hire additional people, if that's what it took to get the job done? Maybe this guy would even sabotage a job if he thought it was a job for an Obama supporter . . . (People will wonder.)
Makes about as much sense as a trucking company refusing to buy gas until oil prices come down. If you take that attitude, you're out of business anyway.
Reminds me of "Joe the Plumber."
Aka: "Joe the Publicity Hound."
Here's the ominous part...
"He said the accusation filtered its way through the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and finally the Secret Service. Agents interviewed him."
Facism is the logical evolution of socialism. Supremacy of the state. The Germans sure loved their all knowing, benefits for all, rewards to the party faithful... could you believe it, the father of modern facism, Benito Mussolini was an Italian "progressive" journalist? Wonder how may Seattle "progressives" know it was facism that coined the phrase "progressive politics in the modern era"? The American Progressive movement of the late 1800's was for eugenics, that was their solution for social ills.
Wow Kootch, that was like a history salad!
Geez, Kootchman, get a grip. You cut your quote a bit short. He goes on to say, "The Secret Service left here, they were in a good mood and laughing," Looman said. "I got the feeling they thought it was kind of ridiculous, and a waste of their time."
elikapeka..it's sort of like Romney's commercial..say something, take it out of context, to make it work for you, no matter if it's the real depiction or not....
that's too bad -- I hear Dubya is looking for a job.
Fascism is the 'logical' evolution of any form of government taken to the extreme, including capitalism ... Supremacy of the Corporation. Money is God. Spoil the air and the water and the earth in the name of profit. Someone objects -- crush them. You are in a constant state of war with some group or other that has something you want (land, minerals or precious metals, source of slave labor, etc.), so there is a steady supply of mercenaries who will do anything for the right price, no questions asked. Of course, it is usually the Palace Guard who ends up overthrowing the dictator.
and, btw, your overly simple attribution of facism as the source of the modern Progressive movement in the US (as opposed to Europe) is a load of Turducken (or tofurky, in the unlikely event you are a vegetarian):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States
btw, this 'issue' went to the Secret Service, et al, when it was reported as a threat. That's what the Secret Service does -- investigate threats against the President. They would have done the same thing under Bushwa 41 and 43 and Clinton, etc. If this were truly a Fascist regime, the Secret Service would have disarmed and arrested the Tea Potty 'patriots' who were carrying weapons outside Obama town hall meetings. I mean, come on, the Bushies had people arrested for wearing T-shirts they didn't like, speaking of Fascism.
skeeter...
I'm thinking i'll not be kissing you until those teeth are brushed :(
i don't think anyone else will either
Wondering if that business owner in Waco, GA, thinks holding his breath and stamping his feet, too, will get him his way.
thansen
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Well that man is right in line with GOP's job's plan for this country. Seems they love obstruction more than they love this country.
Any business owner who doesn't hire someone when there is money to be made is an idiot and won't be in business for long.
And then someone smarter will come along and fill the gap. I don't see a problem here.
redblack
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sadly, though, it's probably true. big money will wait for a republican president to take office before they bring their money home. after all, wall street works best when it is actually running the government.
(btw, kootch, how can wall street be obama's biggest cheerleader, as you claim, and want him out of office before they invest in the american economy? can both things be true?)
if romney is elected, he will take credit for "saving" the economy by his actions: reducing capital gains taxes, removing IRS penalties, eliminating the inheritance tax, repealing the ACA, etc. etc. all those things would remove that niggling "uncertainty" for wall street, big business, and conservative small business owners who haven't thought this through.
when in fact, all romney will really be doing is reducing federal revenue and driving up inflation. therefore, interest rates will stay low. the dollar will shrink further. consumer prices will rise. big business will get bigger. american wages will not. we'll have another bubble economy. rinse, lather, repeat.
things will look great at first glance. a busy, productive people. we'll have just enough money to get the latest iThingy and monthly data service. we'll have south korean cars. we'll have massive personal debt, expensive access to health care, and questionable retirement funds.
we'll have jobs, though. low-paying service jobs. residential construction jobs. data entry. will we see amnesty for undocumented workers from a willard romney presidency?
but hey, it works for the top 1%, and they're the real americans, right? those that count, anyway. the investors. the job creators. the people who get most of your paycheck and give you nothing but off-shored, outsourced, contracted, and canned attitude when you want something in return.
and in the meantime, stimulus funds and infrastructure investment will have been squandered; defense spending - especially wasteful contracts with xi and KBR - will continue unabated; we'll go to war with iran on behalf of israel; $16 trillion in debt will be forgotten - left there as a reminder to uppity liberal socialists about who really runs the country.
oh, say! can you see?
redblack
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kootch: please stop saying "fascist" wen you mean to say "authoritarian" or "totalitarian."
mussolini hated liberals.
dobro
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some updated news about this dumba** that might have something to do with his "interview".
redblack
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they walk among you, republicans. why aren't you calling them out?
dobro
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don't hold your breath waiting for the rightwinglicans to comment on this.
redblack
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yeah. the silence is deafening. it has been for decades.
Well it's day 5 and I broke down and brushed my teeth. Maybe it is true that gen-Xers can't follow through on commitments.
skeeter, I'm so glad...was beginning to notice here in the Admiral District :)
Not sure what I am supposed to comment on. The name calling of the political party is nice though. You seriously think a normal thinking capitalist took this guy seriously? If the guy losses net income growth at his company because Obama is in office he is his own idiot.
As far as him having a militia, please spare me. If he was that serious of a threat they would have arrested him already.
Dobro (post 20) are you referencing the original article (post #1) or the silly thing on post #19?
Either way we're just having a good time. I'm a conservative/republican myself, but wouldn't destroy my business just to make some point, like the guy in Alabama is doing.
dobro
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I'm referencing the link I posted in #18 which redblack grabbed a screenshot from. If you haven't looked at it, check it out to see more about this right wing nutjob's affiliation with domestic terrorist groups and get back to me on "having a good time" with slime of his ilk.
dobro
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"If he was that serious of a threat they would have arrested him already."
Believe it or not, there are people who represent serious threats who have not been arrested yet. Sounds crazy, I know, but not all dangerous people have been arrested yet. Don't believe me? Hey, there were crimes committed today!
You're right but the people arrested today weren't posting on a web site about their desire to commit said crime. This guy is putting things out there on what looks like facebook. He hung a sign on the side of his truck that didn't threaten anyone and he got a visit from the secret service. If this was serious he would have also gotten a visit from them for this.
Still not sure what your problem is. In the end it seems like its your problem. Its not my problem I know that. Eventually I guess it could become this guy in Alabamas problem.
Dobro, I'm "having a good time" because I think the original story is funny. I don't know anything about this fella other than the funny sign he put on his trucks.
dobro
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I understand the humor of the story if you just look at the surface. The article I linked to has a lot more "below the surface" detail that makes it more unpleasant. If you read the article you'll know what I mean.
Hmmmm...they walk amongst US redblack.... cause and effect.
so, Kootch...do you agree with this guy at the Crane Co, or not? Is he right?
Bostonman..
you really should follow the links and take a look at this guy...
I am not sure he even admits that Obama is a citizen..
he definately states Obama's a muslim
and forming an army
and...
he is hanging with some pretty radical idiots talking a pretty strong brand of trash that include a call to arms...
in this case.. ignorance is not bliss...
some of these guys are driving your bus :(
redblack
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bostonman:
You seriously think a normal thinking capitalist took this guy seriously? If the guy losses net income growth at his company because Obama is in office he is his own idiot.
dude, CNBC, bloomberg, all of those talking heads on wall street are saying the same thing: "we can't invest because of our uncertainty about obama's tax and regulatory policies."
how is that any different from what the jackass in lunchmmeat, GA is saying?
the entire country is "losing income" because the people with the dough won't invest, despite obama's attempt to incentivize them.
"oh, we could invest, we could hire people, but we won't. there's just too much uncertainty."
the funny thing is, they already have low taxes, and they rarely talk about what would make them more certain.
hey, obama bashers. this is our country, too, and we want some reckoning. it's high time to redistribute that wealth, 'cause this ain't working. invest in your country or be taxed.
Thanks for the laugh redblack!
"despite obama's attempt to incentivize them."
Can't tax that which ain't here,...or isn't income.
"it's high time to redistribute that wealth"
It's his business...if he thinks the long term risks outweigh the short term income. I big to differ, he should do whatever fits his temperment, his business plan etc... he doesn't KNOW the costs of Obamacare yet..still. He doesn't know the return on his hire... sorry to disappoint you all, but the hassles of having an employee that generates a measly 15K net profit, for some, no, it is not worth the hassle. especially in a small, closely held firm. What will his marginal tax rate be? Cranes are capital intensive little gizmos... a new hire may mean a new crane lease/purchase.... energy costs? Cap and trade and a carbon hostile administration who tries at every turn to raise energy prices by legislation, restricted supplies. "big oil" taxes.. etc... it's a long long list of things to consider. Not ot worry though..if he IS turning down business in a capital and labor intense market..and that business is substantial... someone will go for it... UNLESS... they feel like he does.. which seems to be the case.
Most companies aren't hiring right now because of demand. Not because they don't have enough cash.
Bostonman...
and until they employ more people
demand won't increase...
at least not here
Most companies aren't hiring right now because of demand. Not because they don't have enough cash.
That I can understand.
So why didn't the guy just put on his sign: Not hiring until demand for our product increases.
A: Because that doesn't sound enough like "I hate Obama."
Suggested new business slogan, based on an idea from kootch, (#35):
"We're a Carbon-Friendly Business."
It'll be the biggest marketing gimmick since the "Jesus fish" and Se habla español.
redblack
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Most companies aren't hiring right now because of demand. Not because they don't have enough cash.
it doesn't help when you criticize the government for trying to invest in infrastructure spending that would let contracts for bid that would put people to work that would give them paychecks that would allow them to spend that would create demand for goods and services.
(what jo said.)
oh, noes! that's socialism!
so how does fighting infrastructure investment and cheerleading tax cuts help create demand? taxes are already low, and people still aren't spending.
So you want companies to spend money to hire employees who will sit around in the office? Never going to happen. Companies always wait as long as possible before filling positions based on demand.
There is a lot more that goes into a decision to hire more staff than just money. Hiring people does not create demand for product. If anything it could increase supply.
Giving someone a job (and a paycheck) DOES create demand for products/services by that someone — though not necessarily the products/services that same someone is producing.
Therein lies the problem . . .
I agree with Bostonman on this, to an extent. If I had a small business (a donut shop, for example), I wouldn't hire more workers based merely on the obscure hope that everyone else would do the same and I'd therefore sell more donuts. Instead, I'd hire solely based on the existing demand for donuts.
However, If I owned an auto factory, and I had a little money in reserve, I might just take a gamble on hiring more workers and raising the wages of the ones I already had, on the bet that I'd grow the business by selling more cars to the workers I was employing in my own factory.
Guess who I stole that idea from?
Anybody?
Anybody?
Henry Ford.
The global economy is a lot different than it was when Henry Ford was around. I think a better statement is disposable income helps fuel demand. Companies hiring more people in hopes that demand for their product will grow are living in a fairy tale. No one I know thats runs a company does this. The more likely scenario is they give pay raises or bonues to existing employees.
In the absence of increased demand with cash in the bank giving raises would be better than hiring employees. If there is still cash left over at the end of the day after that there is still better uses for that cash than hiring employees to do nothing. If I had cash and hired 2 people right now they would sit around and do nothing.
To address DP's first paragraph
"Giving someone a job (and a paycheck) DOES create demand for products/services by that someone — though not necessarily the products/services that same someone is producing."
You are more than likely going to be affecting demand for product in another country and likely not your own. So are you relying on the company next to you to hire people so they will buy your product? What if its a product you don't need? What if you manufacture a component of another product and that manufacturer isn't receiving any orders?
The global economy is much different than it was even 20 years ago. Its not a simple as hiring someone locally and then seeing your demand grow.
Yeah, what you said. Consumers with more cash on hand tend to buy more stuff that's made in China rather than stuff made here.
This gets us back to the old tarrif question. I say we need tarrifs to revive American industry. Without them, we're dead.
Tarrifs hurt consumers in the short run, but in the long run they help both consumers and producers.
Unless we wind up in a tarrif trade war with Asia, which we would lose. We import more than we export and if we impose tarrifs on imports and they impose tarrifs on our exports we don't gain anything. In fact the likely scenario is higher costs for basic products manufactured in Asia.
Because we exported our manufacturing base and signed free trade agreements we basically signed a right to export jobs and the right to be able to regulate our trade deficits. Many of the things imported nowadays are basic goods. If the government charges a tarrif on sneakers then Nike will just charge more. Then China will just charge a tarrif on GM cars being exported to them which will hurt a US company.
We have backed ourselves into a corner over the last 40 years. We are in a different world than we were back then, a different economy. I wish it was as simple as just charging tarrifs on goods.
I realize I am not offering anything new in the conversation and just playing devils advocate but the world economy is not a pretty picture right now. You have Europe on the verge of bankruptcy, Asia manipulating the price of their currency and the US running huge deficits. The only area of the world with lots of cash is the middle east because of oil deposits.
The next 3 to 5 years are not going to be pretty anywhere. If I could find a buyer for my company now I would take the money I could and move my family out of the US. I can't do that though but I fear the worst is still ahead. Gone are the days where a country is self reliant. Most every industrialized country is dependent on the economy of another industrialized country.
DBP...
if you owned a donut shop you would be putting on more workers because in a "downturn" people treat themselves to small pleasures like donuts...
if you owned a cake shop, you might have to reconsider.
Bostonman...
when buying donuts..
most consumers will buy local given the chance
that said, i did buy a dollar box of mini moon pies from a local drugstore yesterday.
i ate them all before i checked to see if they were made in china.
i do better due diligence when it comes to dog treats :(
JoB...for mundane donuts one shops locally...for Maple Bacon bars one goes to...Frost :)
JanS
for bacon maple bars... one drives to Portland :(
i know.. i know...
some guilty pleasures incur more guilt than others.
redblack.. infrastructure investment? Keystone was ready to start welding pipe, move dirt, hire environmental engineers, geologists, common laborers... AND the public didn't have to finance it. In fact, the pipeline royalties would have gone to the states...and provide jobs and revenues for years to come. What did we do? We pissed away a half a billion bucks on a solar company that lasted four months, whose debts we will pay off in borrowed money from China, and pay years and millions in interest expense. And we have a hollow building..which the taxpayer has no lien rights against.. the latter was an Obama donater,.. the former was not. Add a positive trade balance, lower consumer costs thrown out the window. When companies want to invest in America..look what we do! FINALLY, a shovel ready job!!! Guess he doesn't recognize one when he sees one! JoB .. sure beats a donut shop for multiplicative economic impact! Now... off we go to spend a few hundred billion on bailing out Europe, and propping up failed democratic/socialist governments which the current administration is so simpatico with. Crank up those windmills..better yet, learn to build one. Failed states are notoriously unreliable power suppliers. Imagine being an oil exporter to China? No... better to buy those reuseable, petro polyester/ethylene based, green shopping bags, from China. To show how green we are. Y, know the ones that cultivate e coli between washings in nitrogen bloom inducing detergents in purified, fossil fuel fired hot water. Don't ya just wakeup every morning laughing your keester off? Obama ... a decisive man. Wait until after the election before the pipeline is actually built .. how transparant is that? Better to tax a millionaire than let American businesses hire... It's the Democratic Way. Hey redblack? Who love's ya baby? AFL-CIO wants the pipeline...my god.. they could actually be Newt campaign donors! Unemployment/welfare or union scale wages. BTY... facists are liberals.. your quote "mussolini hated liberals."... Mussolini was a liberal journalist and politician... the supremacy of the state doctrine .. that is facism, the end result of unchecked liberalism. See the parallels? State owned banks, healthcare, transportation, social controls, dominant state "PC".. etc? Better read up on the big fellahs history.
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