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Started 3 years ago by JoB
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JoB
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It's time to start watching your mailbox for the first ever all mail in election here in King county...

The big issue on this ballot is the election of the KC Elections Commissioner.

This may seem like a non-issue to many of you.. but i would like to remind you that there is a legal way to influence the outcome of an election.. purging voter rolls.. and our elections commissioner is the person who is supposed to stand between you and voter fraud...

We wouldn't want the debacles reported in the press during the election over voter purges to surface here...

Our current elections commissioner is Sherril Huff. She has been doing an outstanding job.. but could easily lose her position if we don't go to the effort of returning the ballots that arrive in our mail.

http://www.sherrilhuff.com

if we want a change in the way our government is run.. paying attention to local elections is a very good place to start...

and guaranteeing a fair vote is an outcome that i am willing to work for...

when your ballot appears, fill it out and mail it back in before it joins the pile of stuff you meant to get around to one of these days.. but which is really destined for recycling when it becomes too dated to matter...

at least that's what happens to that stuff in my house:)

Voting can't be made any easier.. so exercise your right to have your vote count.

Posted 3 years ago #
flowerpetal
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Thanks for the reminder JoB. I have shied away from returning my ballot as quickly as you suggest. Once in awhile something will come to light weeks or days before an election which will change my vote. I wish I could drudge up a "for example" for this post, but I can't.
Anyway, I prefer to hear the issues and listen to the candidates.

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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LOL..

if i wait it will end up under a bag of dogfood or something..

i still haven't found the ballot i lost for the last election.

the good news there was there was a polling place and they let me submit a ballot there...

i won't have that get out of jail free card this time..

Posted 3 years ago #
charlabob
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You can always go to KC Elections in Renton OR call them and get a replacement ballot. If you find it missing soon enough, they'll mail it to you -- otherwise you can go to KC Elections and pick it up (or vote there). In other word, mail-only voting doesn't mean a lost ballot is forever. Check http://www.kingcounty.gov/elections.aspx to get the real scoop. :-)

Posted 3 years ago #
mellaw6565
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Will the ballots be coming automatically to everyone on the voter rolls? I've always voted in person, but I imagine since it's automatic I don't have to request a ballot by mail.

Posted 3 years ago #
charlabob
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Yup, they'll be coming to you automatically even if you always voted in person. Ballots will be mailed Jan 14 -- if you don't have it by the 20th, call :-)

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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thanks charlabob...

losing my ballot is the one thing i don't like about mail in voting.. i have lost it more often than i would like to admit.

Posted 3 years ago #
charlabob
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In King County it's almost impossible for you to disenfranchise yourself, simply by losing your ballot. And NO this doesn't mean you can vote multiple times -- they just count one per person -- and they can tell -- this ain't Chicago :-) (Sorry, I was born there so I'm allowed...)

Posted 3 years ago #
HMC Rich
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I hope you democrats always lose your ballots!! Just Kidding!!! Well mostly.

JoB, I tried the link that you put in about Sherril Huff and it didn't work. Just like the new high speed tabulators that haven't been certified yet. I found it was http://www.electsherrilhuff.com.

Here are two articles from the Seattle Times that refer to the upcoming election.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008458033_elections02m.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008590179_mailvote05m.html

The candidates are diverse and interesting.

I'm leaning towards David Irons.

Posted 3 years ago #
charlabob
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HMC -- thanks for the updated link to Huff's campaign site. The new tabulators were probably purchased from Diebolt, too busy reprogramming voting machines to make their hardware work. Just kidding. Mostly. :-)

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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HMCRich..

thanks for fixing my link...

but.. I gotta ask you... other than the fact that Irons is a republican... in what is supposed to be a non-partisan election..

why would you think that managerial experience trumps the experience gained in 21 successful KingCounty elections?

on the main issue that is important to me.. voter fraud.. her record is outstanding....

"Before her tenure, ballot reconciliation discrepancies were more than 2,000 in 2004. In the 2008 primary there were just four and 22 in this year’s general election, with more than 900,000 ballots to count."

so why would we kick out the lady who was trained by the best (Ron Sims)... knows what she is doing and does a great job so that we can hand the job to someone who will depend upon their subordinates to bring them up to speed?

That just plain doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

Sometimes the best man for the job is the woman who is already doing it:)

Posted 3 years ago #
soclwrkrinmotn
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Seconded.

Posted 3 years ago #
HMC Rich
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JoB, what about the sex scandal you speak of? You should be more careful in what you write ...."Sometimes the best man for the job is the woman who is already doing it." You verbal vixen.

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. I was infected by "What The..."

JoB, am I just supposed to take your word for it? Am I going to just automatically vote the incumbent in? You already think you are correct in your assessment so I know I am not going to change your mind. I don't plan on even trying. Others may have a different opinion.

Each of these candidates has varying degrees of experience. If I were to go more conservative, I would pick Roach but I don't think she is the right person for the job. Plus she has guns so I don't want to tick her off. Kempf has had difficulties since at least 1999. Every few years something else about her rears its ugly head.

Huff needed to be accountable after the 2004 debacle. I will give her credit for doing a good job. No argument there.

But, there are complaints about her and for a county to go into an upcoming election that is about a completely mail-in ballot, I really do not think it is too much to ask for the machines to be counting the ballots in future elections to be certified. I am guessing they would have liked those machines operational for this election. Regardless, I suspect the people under her will do a fine job. They have to.

Non-partisan... Sims... uh, really... when Sims goes and asks other Democrats not to run so that the Democratic vote doesn't get split? Just a guess, but I wonder if Irons and Sims like each other?

Yes, Irons is a Republican. I like Republicans. I like Democrats too but I usually don't vote for them, but once in awhile I do. Irons has government and private sector experience. I like that.

If Huff wins, good for her. No matter who is in that position, they will be in the hot seat. If they don't preform, they won't be re-elected will they?

Posted 3 years ago #
c@lbob
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I don't know exactly what you mean when you say that Sherril Huff needed to be accounable after the 2004 election. She wasn't even with King County then, since she was serving as Deputy Mayor of Bremerton from 2002 to 2004. She started with King County in February of 2005 as Assistant Director of Elections and has been a major player in the now successful effort to improve the processes and procedures at Elections ever since. As mentioned before, her record for that imporvement is outstanding, but she wasn't involved in the bad old days. She is the executive in the department that has been involved in all the improvements. She is certainly accountable for that, and all King County residents should be grateful for her service.

We should keep in mind, though, that Huff has a long and distinguished record in govenment, beginning in 1979 with two terms as Kitsap County Auditor. This is where she developed the skills she later brought to King County, since the Audior in Kitsap runs elections, as is the case in most smaller counties in the state. So a very big fact about her is that she has been the elected official in charge of elections before. No other candidate can say that.

Certainly not David Irons, take a look at this analysis of his resume:

http://tinyurl.com/9wln3g

The other complaint you mention, HMC, seems to have something to do with certification of the tablulation machines. The Federal Elections Commission is the fly-the-ointment there, not Huff. KC Elections is using the same ancient tabulators as in the past ten years, but it isn't Huff's fault. In fact, once the feds say ok, I would anticipate the new tabulators will be deployed very rapidly, perhaps as soon as the election immediately following certification. The problem at Federal Elections has to do with a vacancy that George Bush has let remain open for over a year now, after he couldn't get his pet nominee past the Senate.

You say that taking a chance on Irons is no problem, because he can be voted out in four years. It took four years to turn KC Elections around, Irons' record suggests he could bring it down in that time.

There's only one competent candidate for Elections Director, and that person is Sherril Huff. She has nearly thirty years experience running government agencies in both elected and appointed positions. Replacing her with Irons would be like trading a BMW for a Yugo.

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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thanks Catlbob for the link..

i love it when someone else does my opposition research for me:)

As enlightening and downright entertaining as the piece was (written in 2005 and still pertinent), i particularly liked this comment...

"The only thing David Irons appears to have done well is having been born well. He is the beneficiary of affirmative action for rich, white, well-connected males; he would have gone nowhere without his parents’ assistance. Come to think of it, Irons’ path to political power tracks that of GW. Maybe that’s the Republican model"

sorry HMC Rich.. i couldn't resist posting that bit of blatant political generalization... which was clearly rebutted by the nomination of Sarah Palin as VP candidate:)

Had she come from one of those advantaged families she probably would have fare better ;~>

On the upside... he really does need the job as WiFi must be eating a hole in what he thought was a captive clientele by now and his resume says he will be a hands off manager.. which if he is smart enough to continue means he couldn't mess things up too much.. could he???

As for Sherril Huff.. well her record speaks for itself... and she knows about elections too...

cool.

Posted 3 years ago #
c@lbob
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The election of Elections Director has already had a deleterious affect on KC Elections, and it concerns hiring a key position there.

The position of Superintendent of Elections has been vacant since 2005, an after effect of the 2004 irregularities. The Superintendent position handles the day-to-day running of the department, much like a chief operations officer in a corporation.

At first, candidates shied away from the position because the tenure of Dean Logan, Sherril Huff's predecessor as Director, was in serious question, that controversy resulting in his 2006 departure from the department for a position with Los Angeles Elections.

Since then though, there have been candidates for Superintendent of Elections who were favorable impressed with the department, but still declined the position before offers were put out. Why? Because the prospect of the Director position becoming an elected one, and a Superintendent appointed by an outgoing Director becoming dead meat to a new incoming, elected official.

This has nothing to do with any of the personalities running for Elections Director, it is only prudent that a person moving cross country to accept a post here think he or she has a shot at three or four years to prove themselves before facing a new regime.

If electing a Director had resulted in a plethora of qualified candidates, maybe a long vacancy would have been a reasonable handicap to place on the department. The fact that the elected position has mainly turned out to be a jobs program for failed pols and disgraced bureaucrats reveals it as a foolish attempt to repair what had already been revitalized.

The only bums to throw out are the five who oppose Sherril Huff. Retain the best director elections has ever had. Vote for Sherril!

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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whats with bringing up the classes again???

Posted 3 years ago #
soclwrkrinmotn
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Which classes are you speaking of?

If you are talking about socio-economic classes, then it's a valid point in politics...and in everyday life too.

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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Yes I am talking about socio-economic classes. I just dont think we need to bring it up in every thread. As someone else said brought up last week we already had that discussion. iMO, it is not necessary to blame wealthy people for everything in every topic. Just makes people sound bitter and jealous.

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soclwrkrinmotn
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I don't read that anyone was doing that. Pointing something out doesn't mean blaming any one individual. And as for that discussion, we need to have it often and regularly. And discuss it like adults with a plan to do something about it.

Nonetheless, class inequality is a big deal in politics and life. And until we realize it and do something to address it, it is gonna keep coming up.

Jealousy isn't the issue--justified anger is. People who their tails off and still end up in debt, or homeless...that's a problem. And ignoring it on the political realm doesn't make it go away.

And politics goes hand and hand with classism. Access to political power, services, etc...money and privilege is a big part of it.

Posted 3 years ago #
Irukandji
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This is me hugging Soclwirhaohrnakjnd--> (io).

If you don't want to talk about socioeconomic issues, there are plenty of threads about dogs and bacon that I think avoid the SE issue... maybe.

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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You mean $10 a pound gourmet bacon?

Posted 3 years ago #
Irukandji
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I was thinking about bacon on the screen, but I guess that assumes one has a computer... shucks.

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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The dog thread got hijacked in the middle already by socioeconomic issues. :(

Posted 3 years ago #
charlabob
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BDG, I think we're allowed to bring up anything we want -- and you're allowed to whine about it; it's called democracy -- it's breaking out all over, along with my crocuses. Just wait 'til January 21. :-) I could ask why YOU bring it up every time, but I won't because the answer is too obvious.

This was not a discussion of "rich people suck,". JoB and Catlbob were merely positing that Irons (and GWB) would not have even been considered for their lofty positions had they not been born wealthy.

That does not mean all rich people are incompetent or heartless or stupid. It means that people with those traits are more likely to succeed despite them if they are rich. If they're poor, we usually don't have to know about them.

Newcomers to the thread: please go back and read 1, 9, 11, 13, 14, 15, and 16 for a discussion of possible KC Elections director candidates and what the election might mean to you. Before the thread was jacked in 17, we had an informative discussion about an important issue.

Posted 3 years ago #
soclwrkrinmotn
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JT. If someone wants to buy $10 bacon, let them. That doesn't say a thing about class.

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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This is my last post b/c i dont want to hijack. Soc, do you believe that rich people dont work hard then b/c you are implying that in your post.

And to answer your question, yes I do see people making assumptions on here all the time about peoples classes. i.e. only the rich peoples streets get paved and b/c of one's clothes they were obvioulsy lived in the better part of town etc. these side comments are obviously a sign of bitterness and jealousy.

Charla, first, who is luis? Am i missing some posts...

i am not whining just bringing up the point that it is getting a bit tidious to read these snide remarks. I don't recall brining up "isms" repeatedly, but i do recall participating in the conversation that we had on that topic. If there is more to explore perhaps we can bump the thread.

And sorry newcomers i assume if you have made it this far you read all the posts. Hope you at least got a good chuckle.

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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It says they can afford something I can't. By your extrapolation, that puts you in a higher economic class.

Posted 3 years ago #
GenHillOne
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Not necessarily, it could just mean they did without the $7 difference on another line item that month. Or $10 if they don't usually buy bacon at all, but really wanted to give it a try as a treat.

Posted 3 years ago #
soclwrkrinmotn
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Uh, BGD. How did I say that? I said a lot of poor people worked hard and had nothing. I said the rich had access to power and politics. No one said the rich didn't work hard, but I did say that they had access to things the poor do not. They have safety nets, access to politician and services that the poor do not.

Posted 3 years ago #
soclwrkrinmotn
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JT. No, it does not.

It says that some of us are guilty of conspicuous consumption. Class is more than money, and I suspect you know that.

Posted 3 years ago #
Anonymous
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It means they have discretionary funds. Which I'm all for btw. I'm just commenting on how people rationalize there own splurges but are quick to judge another if it doesn't seem appropriate to them.

Posted 3 years ago #
charlabob
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Luis = Luis Pelayo, founder of the Hispanic Council of Chicago; sorry I referred to him without attribution. I removed the references to avoid ever further diversions.

Posted 3 years ago #
charlabob
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Just for giggles, be sure and read this bio of David Irons, originally cited in #14; a rich person even his parents can't love :-)

Goldy is an acquired taste -- but reading him plus Sound Focus provides great opp research no matter what side you're on. And if you can read this and still want to vote for Irons, well...all I can say is I DO support the universal franchise, but sometimes I wonder :-)

http://tinyurl.com/9wln3g

Posted 3 years ago #
soclwrkrinmotn
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Between you and me, JT...that $20 in bacon saved me $ cuz it made some lovely holiday gifts as flavorings, and other good stuff. (and I ate some too.)

*shakes head*

I can't judge splurges. I make enough of them myself, I think we all do, wise or unwise...it sometimes takes the stress out of struggling and reminds us we are human. (and this is why I won't judge clients on apparently unwise purchases on occasion.)

I don't think that was my point. I was talking about access to power, stability and services. Not the same at all.

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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beachdrivegirl...

i posted a comment that was made in response to an article for which i posted the link.

of course that comment would seem out of place if you didn't bother reading the article detailing David Iron's resume and his parent's comments about some of what was included on that resume.

My posting of that comment had nothing to do with the generalities of classism, but a great deal to do with the specifics of David Irons managerial experience.

All you have to do to figure that out and understand the context in which the remark was posted is go back and read the linked article.

nobody was beating up on poor little rich white kids in general... just on that one particular poor little rich white kid.

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Anonymous
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"nobody was beating up on poor little rich white kids in general... just on that one particular poor little rich white kid." - JoB

Gosh, I would love to join in this animosity and bitterness-filled conversation, but I have determined that I am far too white and financially secure to participate.

Carry on, bacon lovers! :)

Posted 3 years ago #
c@lbob
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Just to remind everyone, there is an election in King County February 3, and the most relevant issue on it, to those of us not in Enumclaw or Fall City, is the election of the Director of Elections.

If boneheads who have rich parents are who you like to see in govenment office, David Irons is your guy. I don't know if they are of a different class, but they definitely have more money than most of us.

If you think competency is what you'd like in a public official, Sherril Huff is the candidate for you. She's not poor, but she's smart, and that's in a class by itself.

Posted 3 years ago #
JanS
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I guess I haven't been reading the same posts. I haven't seen any animosity or bitterness-filled conversations. I want to hear peoples opinions on this topic, and I thank Catlbob especially for his insight.Also to Job, and others for sharing their views.

Posted 3 years ago #
JanS
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oh, and bacon makes everything better...lolol...even elections :)

Posted 3 years ago #
Cait
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I agree NR. I too think that random statements obviously said in jest are animosity filled, resentful and I too use them as reasons to watch myself type. Random statements like JoB's offend me almost as much as benches, pinatas, the circus and Tupperware. All of which hold undertones of racial and socioeconomic insensitivity.

Or are you not going to catch the sarcasm in that either.

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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my focus in this thread is on the upcoming elections...

and for those of us who live here.. this election is important.

We voted for the right to elect our elections director... so it's up to us to take the time and effort to do a responsible job...

In a non-partisan election, that means we have an obligation to do more than check their party affiliations before we post our vote...

and that means discussing the actual qualifications of the applicants...

This article http://tinyurl.com/9wln3g written in 2005 discussing the truth of David Irons claim about his experience and the comments that followed are relevant to this election.

I didn't post the original link or make the comment in question.. i simply copied and sourced it...

and i followed it with a joke for HMC Rich... I think i know him well enough now to joke with him..but if not, i suspect he will let me know.. he doesn't seem to be shy:)

I would hate for a moment of levity on my part to be the invitation for others to derail the kind of discussion about the candidates that would make it easier for those reading to post their vote...

One of the things i enjoy most about the WSB forum is the conversationsthat have often come from opposing viewpoints.

I have learned a lot from that conversation.

Posted 3 years ago #
Ken
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Just in case some one wondered about my opinion...

David Irons is a fool. Being born with a silver spoon in his mouth is not the problem. It all the time he spends pretending he did it all with hard work and determination...

WS has lots of wealthy people who are also Democrats and care about social justice and equal opportunity.

Because the question on the November 08 ballot seemed to make sense to those quite far removed from the political sausage making, we will have to now defend the elections top job from the stealth republicans who want an inside track to disenfranchising the rest of us.

Sherril Huff is the only choice. But note the names of the "non partisan" challengers since some of them will resurface when the Club for Growth and the BIWA start handing out cash to try and capture more "non partisan" judgeships in the next election cycle.

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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Ken..

lol.. we can always count on you not to sugercoat things for us...

and i have to agree... we have been manipulated into jeopardizing the impartiality of our elections by focusing on the political affiliation of our elections director and not their qualifications...

that's why we now have so much responsibility to make sure that this important position doesn't end up as just one more political poker chip...

the democracy we count on depends upon well run fair elections...

Posted 3 years ago #
soclwrkrinmotn
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Grrr.

Posted 3 years ago #
JoB
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grin:)

Posted 3 years ago #
HMC Rich
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Hello kids. Darn it, I wanted to start watching the Jack Bauer power hour but you guys made this interesting. I just got home and put the toddler to bed. It has been a busy day. Not all of us are Rich, privileged and stupid Neo-Cons. Although I am Rich I am not wealthy. In fact I am working on my second million...I gave up on the first. Boo, Hiss.

NR and BDG. You see it in the posts. Blindness to just one cause. Baa Baa Baa. In November I heard Obaaama, Obaaaama. Sorry, just a little right wing humor.

The superior air of left wing politics drips with derision and insults and some of you do not know you are even doing it. (That last statement was probably the strongest anti-liberal statement I have made.) Ever watch the Star Trek movie with Ricardo Montalban. Some (democrats) remind me of Khan!!!!

Shall I use Sound Politics to attack Ms. Huff? There are plenty of links on the internet to show some discrepancies. I think not. Others can look them up like this one...
http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/008871.html
Read the links embedded for a little more info.

Or since I am so busy like this one... http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4463

I'm exhausted but there's this one too...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004020803_elections18m.html

Like I said she has some issues. She has had some success too. She is also partisan whether you like it or not, or I could give her the benefit of the doubt and say she is a tough cookie. Anyway, I never did hear any word about Sims patronage of like Democrats thinking about running and then withdrawing or not filing. Typical. Now, just to be fair to her, I give you this tasty tidbit because us Republicans do play fair (well most of the time) ... http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/312339_elections20.html
I need a drink. That was hard.

Actually it is great fun. Joust, jab, block, counter. I must admit I usually don't get first, but I tire the opposition out a bit. Since I am a partisan of the right, I am outnumbered and out shouted, but sometimes people see the light. (I think I just made myself ill with that one).

Instead of Goldy how about a little more fair and balanced (Love Ya Rupert) report from the Times. I think this is a fair article.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002583749_irons26m.html

The HA article was an entertaining article but only shows the parents (and a decidedly Democrap (sic((and wrong)) outlook.

As for my reference to 2004, I did not infer that she was part of that but anyone since then needed to be relatively well behaved. I'm not the only one who questioned this office. How about the Justice Department!!! http://www.politicker.com/justice-dept-monitoring-king-county-elections.

In conclusion it seems reasonable to take a look at the candidates and not just take someone's word for it. I really wasn't anti-Huff, but I wasn't for her. I am still undecided but with arm propped on fence you know which way I am leaning. I like you too JoB. Can't wait to see you.

Disclaimer: My jabs about liberals are just silly generalizations used to spice up the post. I try to write as if you are a sister or brother. We may mix it up once in awhile but when all is said and done, I just want people to be happy and I would be very upset if I did hurt someone's feelings. If I do please let me know and I will attac....apologize to you. Goodnight. 24 is calling. Oh wait, I have written this for too long. I will be watching Desperate Housewives with my Sweetheart. What us soft hearted Conservatives do to be nice to the ones we love. Enjoy the bacon.

Posted 3 years ago #
c@lbob
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Nothing wrong about quoting Sound Politics, although they have had a vendetta on against KC elections for over four years now. Sharkansy was wrong, once more, about Huff's lack of transparency. He says that anytime one of his endless public records requests is denied, reduced, or otherwise moderated so as not to interrrupt processing of other voters' requests. The investigation of tab equ;ipent was totally transparent and public. The county made put out a RFP, and Diebold (Premier Election Systems) won the bid. KC has audited all its vote gathering equipment every election, on no irregularities have been found, so far. If a machine acts up, I'm confidenct KC will detect it.

You didn't mention Sound Politics' screed about a tax matter that Huff had a few years ago, I suppose you acknowledge that a dispute with the IRS that you win is nothing to keep you from public office, particularly if you already paid all your taxes.

Goldy's analysis of Irons' resume may not please you, but the Times' whitewash of him didn't please me. That's what makes a horserace.

Posted 3 years ago #
beachdrivegirl
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JoB Was their a link that i missed when you commented that the lady you saw @ Lincoln Park obviously came from the better side of town??

Repitiion speaks its own.

And thank you HMC for brining up more to ponder. It is always refreshing to hear both sides of the argument.

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HMC Rich
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Catlbob (very clever name!) Sharkansky going off about her tax matter was not relevant since she explained and took care of the matter. He brought out a flame-thrower piece saying she LIED. After 8 years of hearing that term, I am tired of it from both sides.

Yeah, there was an agenda regarding King County Elections from Sound Politics. It is good Horse.. and Sound (plus the Times, Stranger, etc..) are giving us the info.

Gotta get back to work.

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