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ASKING FOR A DONATION OF A GOOD WOOD COOK STOVE FOR NICKELSVILLE

Started 3 months ago by adelle1016
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adelle1016
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3 of us friends of Nickelsville (JoB and anotherwsmom and I) have a wish for Nickelsville...that we could give them a wood cook stove so that they can cook up some food. Do any of you know of someone with a decent, working wood cook stove that they are willing to donate for a 501C3 contribution? We are happy to find a way to pick it up and clean it up if necessary. This would be a wonderful gift to that community. We have found some on Craig's list, but hoping to avoid the expense if someone 'out there' has a big heart and can use a tax deduction. Thanks for spreading the word!

Posted 3 months ago #
miws
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adelle, I really hope to meet you down at Camp some day! :-)

Mike

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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A wood cookstove would make it much easier to cook meals, especially in the rain, provide substantial warmth on cold days and nights and make it possible to keep a pot of water simmering that could be used for dishwashing...

it would make it easier to prepare communal meals and make it possible to bake.

heck.. when my grandma was a premature surviving twin.. the warming box at the top of the family cookstove functioned as an incubator. I literally wouldn't be here today without the family cookstove:)

thank god Nickelsville won't need a stove for that..
but the same incubator that kept my grandmother alive could be used to dry gloves and socks and hats ...

and.. last but not least.. a well banked fire in a cookstove uses much less wood than an open fire and produces much less smoke.

a cookstove won't solve all of the problems of living in an open field, but it would help a lot

Posted 3 months ago #
HSG
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Perhaps not the best solution for heat, but if you can't find a donated wood stove, I'm sure volunteers and materials could be rounded up to build one for cooking. The plans SHI has on their site aren't great, but I could inquire into more detailed plans if there is interest. SHI may also be able to connect me with locals who have helped build these in the past.

http://tinyurl.com/8y5nfxo

Posted 3 months ago #
anotherwsmom
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Being able to prepare warm meals will go a long way for these folks. This is a much more efficient, not to mention communal way for our neighbors to function. Thank you for posting this and I look forward to helping accomplish this task.

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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HSG, Bless you for caring and checking out options!! If you are willing to check out this option for wood stoves that would be great. I think we have such a great community of people who would be willing to donate if this can be APPROVED for saftey and 'green' purposes. I don't have that much knowledge...am just a proponent of making it a better life at NV. We are hoping for one great wood COOK stove. I contacted Second Use (a business in S Seattle) and they gave me a lead which I will pursue for a wood COOK stove. JoB: regarding recyling...please call me as many emails have been returned and I don't know why!

Posted 3 months ago #
sw
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Adelle: I don't have a wood stove, but I do have a used gas grill that I'd be happy to donate if that would be at all helpful. It has a side burner, which is handy for cooking things in pots. Someone would need to provide a propane tank and transport it down there, but it's in decent shape.

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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Sw...I know they have some gas grills but there are rules with which I am not familiar about propane. However, we will not lose track of your post and I will ask those who know better than I if the grill can be used. I should hope it could and thank you for thinking of it! Bless you very much. We will get back to you. Thank you, again!

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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SW..

i am sure the camp would appreciate the donation of a gas grill. Their policies were recently amended to include cooking with propane and few of their grills are still functional.

please contact me at joanne@brayden.org and we will find someone to pick it up for you.

****

propane to run the grills is also appreciated.
the most cost effective way to provide propane is to stop by the camp and pick up an empty container to fill.

Several businesses in West Seattle and White Center fill propane bottles. The cost for refilling a propane canister is roughly 3 to 4 dollars a gallon depending upon where it is purchased. The cheapest option we have found in the immediate vicinity is White Center Welding.

i realize that this is also the most time consuming option, unless you plan to donate propane regularly.

If that is the case, you can exchange a full propane canister for an empty each time you deliver.

please contact me at joanne@brayden.org if you intend to set up a regular propane delivery and i will connect you with one of the camp management to work out the details.

HSG

Several camp residents have proposed brick ovens similar to the one in the video clip. So far, none of them have been able to pass the internal review process.

my understanding of the objections to a brick oven are that if mortared it would violate land use and if not mortared it would be too easy for someone to become injured.

if Nickelsville ever receives actual permission from the city to use the land they now occupy, it looks like a kitchen that could include brick ovens is definately a possibility

We have been able to obtain approval for a freestanding heavy metal wood stove as long as it is placed more than 15 feet from any structure.

A cookstove would be ideal, but a heating stove would also be useful.

Posted 3 months ago #
Betty T
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I've been trying to sign in for 3 days! Irritating! I think the wood stove is a fantastic idea and so very useful. I've only been thers Saturday and Sundays but know some would love the opportunity to cook and heat water among other things. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it works out. I remember having a wood range in our kitchen. It was after I married and left that my mom bought her first electric range in the 50's. My sister who was 9 yrs. older than me had a wood range when she got married and lived on a dairy farm. I went with her once to her mother-in-law's to help feed a threshing crew,the meal was cooked on a wood range. There would be so many advantages if Nickelsville could receive one from some kind sole. The stoves, if exist, are antiques now. Good luck ladies on this venture, anyway it sounds like all ladies.

Posted 3 months ago #
anotherwsmom
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The original stove I checked on has been sold, but I'm keeping my eyes open for another.

Posted 3 months ago #
Betty T
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Good hunting!

Posted 3 months ago #
Kevin
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I put out a call to a couple of friends. NO guarantees - but will wait to hear back from them.

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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with so many of us looking, we should be able to find them a woodstove somewhere...

Posted 3 months ago #
Betty T
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Could be one sitting in an old garage somewhere. My brother bought a old family house once years ago that had a wood range set up in the basement, ideal in a area and time when everyone canned a lot. would have been cooler than in the kitchen which had a electric range.

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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The guy whose name that the company 'Second Use' gave me had a wooden cook stove that he refurbished but he was asking $1200. I think we can do better than that and still get a good one. But he had said to be cautious because you can spend $500 and find out you need to do a LOT of additional work. I asked him to keep us in mind if he runs into some good deals...especially someone who might be willing to donate.

Posted 3 months ago #
Betty T
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What about Craig's List to maybe ask for donation?

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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If we could get 500 people to donate $2.40 per person (or...do the math...600 people at $2), we could buy that beautiful stove. Greg is well known by 'Second Use'...seems to know what he is doing and put a lot of work into the stove...here is his message:
The cookstove I can do best on is a Niagara its black, white and nickel its very attractive. It has one of the heaviest cook surfaces on any stove I've owned. It had extensive sheet metal repair and a newer firebox installed. I would sell this for 1200 and I personally have way more in this stove, it was in second use at one time for 2495...

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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Here is another of Greg's messages to make sure we get a good investment on whatever we find:
** all I could say is make sure you know what to look for before you buy. I have 40 years experince with these stoves and I still miss things, even did so on this stove I had to do tons of sheetmetal work thats where a lot of expense came in **

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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I called Greg and he said he would donate the first $1 if we could find 1199 people to donate $1 each :) (said in a loving way) He is a GREAT guy and knows what he is talking about. I think even to ask for donations we need someone to know what they are talking about in terms of a wood cook stove...for safety purposes as well as not getting something we think is free that then needs lots of work. It is something to think about. I know NOTHING about wood cook stoves. I wish I had $1200 !! He said he would send a picture to me...just because I wanted to see this lovely creature that I would trust for NV!

Posted 3 months ago #
JanS
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a question about this wood cook stove, which I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly?_ that its usual use is in a kitchen...that is, inside a dwelling. Where exactly would NV be using it? Outdoors?..wouldn't the weather screw it up a bit, if that's the case? Not having all the particulars, I thought I'd ask.

Thanks

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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Hi, JanS...I think the rule at NV for safety is that as long as it is about 15' from any structure..when the device is safe and proper the wood remains hot and it works!! See the post from JoB above..she is the true worthy advocate and scholar of NV. But this stove would work. I have checked out Greg and that 'Second Use' recommended him above everyone is a testament! There are always challenges with NV ( you and I don't have to worry about rain falling in our pots), but this stove works in a way that would work for NV (with the right pots and lids) (and, of course....wood).

Posted 3 months ago #
munchkin22
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I'm with Jan on this one. I believe that a wood stove that's designed for use indoors would rapidly deteriorate out of doors. Unless NV gives special permission to locate it in say, the MASH tent, I think the purchase would not make much sense. We've seen many things go bad that have been donated due to the lack of proper storage facilities from the elements down there. I know some of the resident were talking about constructing a metal topped "gazebo" if you wiil, over the fires. Something like that might work over the stove if it were to be allowed. Not trying to be a wet blanket. It would be wonderful to have a range that could serve them. Remember, they are an eco village so adding another woodburning device may be outside of their covenant that got them their grant. I would think it wise if someone checked with the advisors first, or bring it up at the Central Committee meeting downtown. JoB, you out there?

Posted 3 months ago #
funkietoo
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@munchkin22, let's chat. I may have some sheets of metal that would work for such a roof.

Posted 3 months ago #
Betty T
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Job may have gone to the meeting this AM. Maybe will catchup here later.

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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i did attend the central committee meeting this morning and the idea of sheltered cooking areas was mentioned but due to time constraints didn't make it into the general discussion today.

There is a concern within the camp that what we think of as a proper wood cookstove would deteriorate very quickly if not contained in some kind of structure...

and at the present time a structure large enough to contain a cooking area would be larger than those for backyard sheds...

which would mean that it would require a building permit they couldn't get without a city permit for the encampment.

So many good ideas get hung up in what is largely a political process...

if the encampment could get a permit, there would be a way to get running water, sewer and electricity ... and a communal kitchen...

the good news is that recycling is up and running at Nickelsville.. although it will be a while before we get the kinks all worked out...

and that we have permission for a wood stove in an open area near the current front fires...

a wood heating stove with a flat surface on top would double as a cooking surface and if properly treated with stoveblack will stand up to the weather....

and can be had for a fraction of the cost of a wood cook stove.

all we have to do is find one.

Nickelsville may have to wait a while for a wood fired oven...

but they are working on getting a donated propane oven operational ...

Posted 3 months ago #
anotherwsmom
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Looking for input on this item:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/app/2840172145.html

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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Thanks for everyone being so involved...as I said I know nothing about wood stoves or wood cook stoves..I only responded to the first stove that I saw being touted as a potential and it looked like an 'indoor' stove. So, I will back out and let those who know more about wood stoves of any kind take over. So glad that we have folks who have good information. I am willing to 'hunt' if I know what I am hunting for..for our friends at NV! Thank you!

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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anotherwswoman...

this might work...
and it is definately a much better price..

adelle...

i wish there was a space at Nickesville that could house a proper wood cookstove with an oven that was big enough and sound enough to cook for a crowd

the guy you talked to was spot on.. there is a bustling trade in well restored stoves and it is too easy to find yourself penny wise and pound foolish buying them.

Posted 3 months ago #
anotherwsmom
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This one is still available, doesn't have any piping and doesn't come with a slab so we would have to lay down some brick or something and come up with some sort of stack to vent smoke.

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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want to go look at it?

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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I wouldn't know what I am looking at and am working Fri, Sat and 1/2 day Sunday, but hopefully someone can see if it is worthy. If I donate $50 towards this, I have no more money for NV for several months, but I will donate my time when I can. So, let me know. Thanks!

Posted 3 months ago #
anotherwsmom
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I might be able to check it out on Sunday. I'll email and see if they are available.

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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i might be able to go with you if you want company and a second set of eyes...
let me know.

Posted 3 months ago #
anotherwsmom
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Haven't heard back yet!

Posted 3 months ago #
Betty T
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The cook stove described above was a gem in its day. Like I said, they're antiques. Sounds like you're making progress in search of. Go girls!

Posted 3 months ago #
JanS
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I've seen ads for quite a few camp stoves, aka "tent" stoves online. They are for use in a special tent with a hole for the venting chimney. I wonder if one can be used without a tent, and just have the venting stack supported otherwise. I googled wood burning camp stoves.

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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janS..

most of them are not heavy enough to stand up to the weather...

Posted 3 months ago #
anotherwsmom
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I heard back this evening. The woman selling the stove is available to show the stove, but I am not able to head to the eastside during the week. Is anyone else up for it? Otherwise, I'll try to see if she can show it next weekend.

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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anotherwsmom..

send me the info and i will go look. i am following up on a couple more through a local source..

i would welcome company on this errand if anyone else is interested.

joanne@brayden.org

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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Another dear friend of Nickelsville, Vicky Hartley, sent me a $20 check towards the stove, so with my $50, I have got $70 waiting to pay for the cook stove ! Thanks, Vicky!!

Posted 3 months ago #
JoB
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yeah.. the fund grows.
now all we have to do is find the stove to go with it:)

Posted 3 months ago #
adelle1016
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Jeff, from Burien Bark, got $50 more than needed for his last delivery of wood chips, thanks to the West Seattle people willing to donate to him. He is willing to match the $50. So we now have $170 towards a wood cook stove ! Thank you, Jeff! Everyone needs to order their dirt/compost, etc from Burien Bark. Jeff and his wife are amazing!! They are also trying to figure out how to get the wood pallets from
Tacoma!

Posted 2 months ago #
adelle1016
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Thank Burien Bark and Jeff at 206-246-7000 or
info@burienbark.com

Posted 2 months ago #
evergreen
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Adelle, how do we donate money? I can't find the email address or phone number in which to contact you...

Additionally, what needs do the KIDS have at this camp? It is heartbreaking to read that there are children living there (thank you "H" for your journal entries in the other thread)...

Posted 2 months ago #
JoB
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evergreen..

i am the contact for the donor's group.
you can contact me at joanne@brayden.org

we are working on a wedsite.. but work is slow since we are all spending a fair amount of time at Nickelsville these days.

there is currently only one child at Nickelsville.. a pre-teen boy. I will ask his mother what they need when i see her today and post back.

Posted 2 months ago #
JoB
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Adelle..

supposedly, there will be two small woodstoves delivered to Nickelsville today... one for each fire.

the guy delivering them is a bit on the unreliable side.. so i am withholding payment until they are delivered.

neither is large enough to cook more than one large pot at a time, but they are good starter stoves...

I just got a call from Nickeslville telling me they have arrived! WooHoo!

i guess it's time to stop typing and get myself down to camp to help get them set up and started:)

Posted 2 months ago #
miws
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Thanks to all involved in Operation Woodstove(s)!

Mike

Posted 2 months ago #
JoB
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evergreen..

I asked his mom..

the young man.. maybe a teenager now..
needs a larger size backback for his schoolbooks. his broke again this morning and is apparently no longer repairable..
it needs to be sturdy because he carries a lot of books..

he also needs size 9 1/2 shoes.. he prefers low tops so he can get in and out of them more easily.
he has to remove his shoes every time he enters the tent

they also need AA batteries and C batteries so that she can run lights at night for him to do his homework.

Posted 2 months ago #
JoB
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miws..

a small and smaller stove were delivered today..
one for each fire..
and i spent part of the afternoon sourcing stovepipe.

with any luck they will be up and running later today.

with such small fireboxes they will have to learn to build small efficient fires to run them...

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