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(another) pitbull attack at a local park


  1. WSratsinacage
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    I caught the last few seconds of a report on the news last night, channel 13 I think, about a little dog that was killed by an off leash pitbull at a local park. The victims owner was also bitten but is going to be ok. Animal control was able to locate the dog and take it in to custody. I think it was Burien again but I can't find any reports online after checking the news websites. Very similar to the last attack where the dog survived, that got so much local coverage.

    Did anyone else see the story or have a link to the full story? Thanks.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  2. WSratsinacage
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    Here is the link:

    http://q13fox.com/2013/02/20/off-leash-pit-bull-attacks-kills-dog/#axzz2LH5N4Z9r

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  3. I think that has more to do with the dog being off leash than it does with it being a pit bull.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  4. WSratsinacage
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    What I found interesting is that in this Des Moines case the dog died but it's not as widely reported as the recent attack (coincidentally by a pitbull) of a man and dog in Shorewood where the dog was severly injured.

    Off leash is a huge problem, no matter the dog.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  5. EmmyJane
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    EmmyJane

    I'm more worried about the off leash humans that kill dogs... and humans.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  6. rats, I think the only coincidence here is guys with small penises that happen to own pitbulls.

    Mike

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  7. WSratsinacage
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    lol mike

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  8. EmmyJane
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    EmmyJane

    Good one Mike. Btw with my comment, I wasn't trying to start something. I really just wanted to say "off leash humans." It's the little things that make me happy...

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  9. WSratsinacage
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    :) Good point EmmyJane. I get it.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  10. Re: Factors in the newsworthiness of this story

    2 factors:

    Factor 1 ~ Offleash
    Factor 2 ~ Pitbull

    Factor 1: Yes, the fact that there WAS a dog attack in the first place has more to do with the fact that there was an off-leash dog than with the fact that the attacking dog was a pitbull. Please understand, though, that, in the event of a confrontation between two dogs, a pitbull, due to its superior strength, is much more LIKELY to break free of a leash than a smaller, weaker dog would be. Moreover, a pitbull, once unleashed and in the act of attacking another dog, is much harder to bring under control.

    Therefore, I don't feel great about pitbulls even when they're on a leash.

    Factor 2: The fact that a dog was killed in this attack obviously has much more to do with the fact that the attacker was a pitbull than the fact that the dog was off its leash. Yes, other dogs can kill, too. Even much smaller ones can kill. But the fact is that pitbulls are implicated in more lethal attacks than other dogs. That means something, regardless of how much some people would like to deny it.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  11. anonyme
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    I agree with Mr. DBP. An off leash Cairn terrier is probably not going to seriously maul another dog or human, even if they do bite. The level of denial on this issue is mind-boggling; dangerously so.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  12. WSratsinacage
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    I agree. I feel more passionately than the average citizen (as people can probably tell from my posts/comments) because I was bitten. It gets ones attention and $$$ quickly! The fact that the off leash/dogs in parks behavior is illegal, and shouldn't be happening in the first place, just makes it more disturbing.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  13. Genesee Hill
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    Genesee Hill

    You bet. Just got back from my walk a couple of hours ago. The dude with the blue cap and his black dog were having such a great time off-leash at Mee-Kwa-Mooks this afternoon. Thanks, pal.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  14. Just a fleeting thought...would we be having this conversation if the unleashed dog was a pug, or a jack russell terrier or a german shepherd? Is the conversation because it was unleashed and killed another dog, or because it was an unleashed Pitbull and killed another dog?

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  15. JanS..
    good point.. many of those cute little terrier pups will go for the jugular with amazing efficiency..

    being cute little terriers they get little news covrage

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  16. It's probably getting more coverage because the dog was a pit bull (if it actually was...I've noticed that some media sources identify pit bulls about as reliably as they do AK-47s, i.e. it's a convenient shorthand), but personally I'd be concerned if any dog actually KILLED another dog. I mean that's pretty alarming.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  17. ......or a german shepherd?

    Well, yeahhhhhh!

    If we could have figured out how to access that blasted internet 50 years ago, when Shepherds were the big, scary, dog, duJour! ;-)

    Mike

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  18. Irukandji
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    Irukandji

    Planet of the Pugs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FoSajYN2js

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  19. Thankfully the dog in this attack is in the custody of animal control (hopefully they will put it down). The owner deserves jail time (not just fines).

    As to why we're talking about it. A small number of large dogs (specifically pittbull mixes) make up the overwelming number of attacks where a person/or animal is either killed or maimed. That is a fact.

    I think as pet owners we see human characteristics where there arn't any and its this failure that plays a role in these attacks. Owning a larger breed dog means a much greater responsibility (and liability) then a pug.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  20. EdSane

    "As to why we're talking about it. A small number of large dogs (specifically pittbull mixes) make up the overwelming number of attacks where a person/or animal is either killed or maimed. That is a fact."

    A small number of large dogs (specifically pittbull mixes.. these days) are owned by a proportionately large portion of dog owners who prefer a dog on the end of their leash that they can branish as a weapon.

    unfortunately, like too many people who own guns, they are undisciplined and careless.

    misuse and abuse isn't the dog's fault...
    any more than the human victims of abuse are at fault for their abuse.

    I am in favor of mandatory training and licensing for all dogs...

    take a look at the statistics for all bites and you will find that small breed dog owners are no more disciplined than large breed dog owners..
    in fact, if the stats are any indication, they are less...

    that's a fact too

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  21. Jo, you admit that the key to this problem is the fact that a potentially dangerous breed of dog (the pitbull) tends to be owned by irresponsible, aggressive people.

    Good! That's progress.

    But then . . . you contradict your own argument, by proposing mandatory training for ALL dogs. As if Chihuahuas caused as many problems as pitbulls!

    I think that's just a stalling tactic to avoid taking ANY action on the problem of pitbulls.

    Mandatory training for all dog owners is obviously not realistic. It's not gonna happen, so I'm not going to waste any time on it.

    However, mandatory training + breeding controls for PITBULL OWNERS is not only realistic, it is practical. Plus, it's a great compromise. It would reduce the number of pitbull attacks, while not causing a single dog to be put down.

    I honestly don't understand some of these pro-pitbull folks. They ought to be strongly in favor of sensible breeding controls and licensing. This is the safe, dog-friendly alternative to euthanasia.

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    If anyone wants good data on which breeds are most often involved in fatal attacks, here's a great place to start:

    http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php

    http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1998-breeds-dogs-involved-in-fatal-human-attacks-us.pdf

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  22. funkietoo
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    Stepping out of the 'dangerous dog' conversation for a minute. Just want to share info on why dog training is so important for every.single.person.and.dog.

    If people had to complete dog training in order to (permanently) adopt/purchase a dog, there would far less owner surrenders to shelters/rescue groups. A large % of surrenders are due to ......wait for it....behavior! Why behavior? Because the humans did not know what their dog needed in order to be successful. The humans, usually unknowingly, caused the behavior that results in their decision to surrender their dog.

    BTW, Chihuahuas are at the top of the list of surrenders for behavior issues. Plus, they tend to bite somewhat often (sorry, don't have the stats), but because they are small and can only do limited damage, the biting is not taken very seriously.

    Do I think mandatory dog training is realistic. No. However, organizations like Seattle Animal Shelter and King County Humane Society (in Bellevue), offer excellent classes for their adopted dogs (and new people). Education. Provide Opportunities. Education. Provide Opportunities. ;0)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  23. DBP..

    "Jo, you admit that the key to this problem is the fact that a potentially dangerous breed of dog (the pitbull) tends to be owned by irresponsible, aggressive people"

    No, i am pretty sure what i admitted to is that all dogs can be dangerous.

    in fact, i pointed out that if dog bite statistics are any indication, more irresponsible people own small dogs than large..

    as for that aggression thing.. that is certainly in the eye of the beholder.

    I so wish otherwise reasonable people would stop reinforcing the misplaced perceptions that cause the kind of aggressors who must carry a big stick to choose pitbulls.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  24. I knew Chachi, the chihuahua who was attacked & killed last week in Des Moines. He was so old and such a good boy who didn't deserve to die so viciously. His "daddy" John is beside himself with grief because it's sad when we lose a faithful companion to old age, but to witness such a savage attack is tragic. Especially when there's nothing you can do except pound on the dog to let go. Personally, I would have probably pounded on the owner next. RIP little Amigo....

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  25. this hasn't closed yet?

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  26. KF7LXG

    "Personally, I would have probably pounded on the owner next." -

    Yes!

    when we start legally pounding on the owners, this will stop.

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  27. waterworld
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    waterworld

    DBP: I don't think dogsbite.org is a good place to get "good data on which breeds are most often involved in fatal attacks." Dogsbite.org will provide, say, the number of reported pit bull attacks in a given year, but its "statistical" information is riddled with both reporting bias and confirmation bias. The people behind dogsbite.org concede that their mission is to inform people about pit bull attacks. They also claim to be dedicated to "putting the safety of humans before dogs," which would be fine except that they also assert that veterinarians, among many others, are unwilling to do the same, which is just preposterous. More pertinent to the issues you raise, however, is that dogsbite.org does not even purport to provide information on the relative risk posed by pit bulls. Without that data, however, there is no basis to assert that pit bulls pose a greater threat than other dog breeds.

    I would suggest looking instead at data from the CDC and the American Veterinary Medical Foundation, AVMF. Both of these organizations have done interesting meta-analyses of research and controlled studies. Among a number of interesting findings made by both organizations is that, over long time scales, the proposition that "breed X causes more human fatalities (or injuries or whatever) than any other" is a moving target. In the mid-1970s, breed X was the German Shepherd; in the late 1970s, breed X was the Great Dane; in that late 1990s, Rottweilers and pit bulls emerged as breed X. The CDC has reported that since 1975, over 30 different breeds have been identified as killing people, including Dachshunds, a Yorkie, and a Lab.

    Pit bulls are simply the breed-du-jour. The AVMF research demonstrates that social conformance is at least one of the significant reasons that pit bulls are currently seen as uniquely dangerous: people who want big, vicious dogs choose pit bulls precisely because everyone agrees that they are big, vicious, dangerous dogs. But sooner or later, there will be a new breed X and we will all be talking about what must be done to solve the problem of that breed X.

    (Also, why do you suggest "breeding controls for pit bull owners"? I could understand maybe wanting to limit the breeding of pit bulls, but what do you accomplish by limiting the breeding that goes on between owners of pit bulls?)

    Posted 1 year ago #         
  28. waterworld..

    "(Also, why do you suggest "breeding controls for pit bull owners"? I could understand maybe wanting to limit the breeding of pit bulls, but what do you accomplish by limiting the breeding that goes on between owners of pit bulls?)"

    isn't it obvious? DBP ultimately agrees that the root of the problem is pitbull owners. everyone knows inbreeding only amplifies problem characteristics in a breed.. right :) :) :) :)

    Posted 1 year ago #         

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