Statue plaza debate: Symbolic of a struggle for West Seattle’s soul?

Now that the recast Alki Statue of Liberty is watching over the waterfront, the time concern has fallen away from the debate over a new plaza at her feet, so a different concern emerged from several audience members at tonight’s Parks Department-organized meeting: Is the plaza plan too fancy for humble Alki Beach?

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Listening to how the questions and comments were phrased, we couldn’t help taking the question a step further, especially after the word “gentrification” popped up twice — are some of us ambivalent about the evolution of WS beyond its simple, small-townish core?

The beautiful plaza plan was shown off again tonight by the talented two who have donated so much time and talent to the project in the past year-plus, designer/architects Matt Hutchins (of WS) and Christopher Ezzell (of Vashon). They patiently explained every last detail, from the thick glass blocks that would house a lantern-type light in the new statue pedestal (rendering below), to the proposed repositioning of the statue (6′ further south, 15′ further west, and 20 degrees further toward the Olympics), to the drought-tolerant landscape design with Starbucks having prepaid for 3 years of maintenance.

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They distributed a large 2-sided glossy color printout including project art, proposed timeline, and a detailed line-item accounting of anticipated cost. (Even Pamela Kliment, project manager for the Parks Department, said their experts agreed with the designers’ projections.) Since the main purpose of the meeting was to take the public’s temperature about the plaza concept itself, they were the stars of the show.

And it almost turned into more of a show than it needed to be. West Seattle’s down-to-earthiness surfaced again in the meeting process itself. The city hired a Vashon “performance consultant” to run the meeting, and she kicked it off by outlining a lot of touchy-feely philosophies along the lines of “no bad ideas,” core this, focus that, values this’n’ that … we half-expected her to deploy a talking stick.

Instead, we had The Dots, and Sticky Wall (TM); the meeting kicked off and ended with participants being asked to show their sentiment by sticking colored dots on pieces of paper labeled New Plaza, New Pedestal, Both. In a move alarmingly reminiscent of last March’s viaduct vote, each person was able to stick multiple dots under each option (red for hate it, green for love it, blue for questions/concerns about it), leaving the end result utterly unreadable in our view; did we just vote to dig a tunnel under the statue?

But we digress. We were heartened to see that The Dots were the only threatened tactic that survived past the consultant’s opening presentation; Sticky Wall (TM) was supposed to involve people walking up and sticking notes with their unspoken ideas, concerns, questions, on the “Sticky Wall (TM)” (as the PowerPoint labeled it) at the front of the room, but that one went over like a rock off the nearby seawall.

Beyond The Dots, the meeting wound up emulating the mode of many a public meeting. Those who spoke, along with Hutchins and Ezzell, included Paul and Libby Carr, who recapped how they came to be in charge of the newly renamed Seattle Statue of Liberty Plaza Project; Jo Ofsthus of Bring Miss Liberty Home Now recounted her involvement (and others, such as Tom Ansart of the now-defunct Liberty Deli) in the original statue-rehab drives dating back to the mid-’90s, and she described her position as “ambivalent” toward the prospect of a plaza, not opposed to it necessarily but concerned about proper accounting of its funding, among other things.

Along with the concern about whether the plaza might be too over-the-top for Alki, came some fear about losing history; one woman worried aloud, poignantly and almost tearfully, that a memorial plaque by an existing bench, paying tribute to someone in the family she’s about to marry into, might be lost. (The designers assured her that all existing plaques would be included in the new project. And they brought up other aspects of history; Hutchins noted he was drawn to the project because he watched his then-teenage brother help restore another Statue of Liberty replica in Colorado years ago.)

The history of this project came into play as well, with some attendees talking about what they believed they were supporting when they purchased commemorative bricks/pavers years ago. Parks Department rep Kliment cheerily but cleanly shot them down with the matter-of-fact observation that whatever happened in the past, the project is where it is now, and everyone has to proceed from here.

In fact, the timeline on the designers’ handout will proceed at breakneck speed, if it holds true. It calls for public comment through 9/24; Parks Department review through mid-November; design completion and final Parks Department approval by mid-December; fundraising ($90,000 needed for what they want to build) done by late December; bids in January; construction February-June; dedication on July 4, 2008.

No further public meetings were mentioned, though we will be checking on that. If you weren’t at tonight’s meeting to ask questions and stick The Dots (we know there were many competing events; on our way to the Bathhouse, we passed a perky crowd at the Alki Elementary Back-to-School Barbecue) have your say by e-mailing the Parks Department. Take another look here at the plans for the plaza; if you want to see it happen, the Seattle Statue of Liberty Plaza Project is now officially taking donations — $15,000 makes you a major donor; $7,500 gets you a bench; but we imagine they’ll take less, too (they were selling their new T-shirts at the meeting, $20 each).

If you have a view on whether the City Council should approve the mayor’s request to chip in $50,000 for the new pedestal, you can e-mail councilmembers with addresses you’ll find here, or attend their first public hearing on the budget October 10th (reminder provided at tonight’s meeting by Brian Hawksford from WS resident Councilmember Tom Rasmussen‘s office).

Tuesday night’s unveiling was more a beginning than an end; since the ultimate decision on what’s next comes from the Parks Department, which reports to city government and therefore to you, now is the time to speak up for what you want to see happen next.

To the point of whether the plaza might be too over-the-top for Alki, co-designer Ezzell argued that WS deserves a “beautiful and exquisite place for the community to gather.” Another meeting participant put it more simply, noting this would exemplify the saying “Leave it better than you found it.”

28 Replies to "Statue plaza debate: Symbolic of a struggle for West Seattle's soul?"

  • Alki Dragonfly September 14, 2007 (9:14 am)

    Where are Emmett Watson and Charlie Chong when we need them most? The plaza is too fancy-schmancy. How about we secede from the Carrs?

    While I greatly (really, no sarcasm here) appreciate the tremendous work of the architect and designer, this plaza is over the top. Maybe if the statue was down by the marble-faced condos filled with Californians…but it’s not.

    The statue beckons all to Alki — and that is reflected all summer long in the diversity, and often, paucity, of the crowds. Alki is one of the few places in our region that is enjoyed by 5 generations, or more, simultaneously. There are few places that are attractive to someone at the age of 5 (sand castles!), 15 (chillin’!), 25 (cruising!), 35 (parenting!), 45 (networking!) , 55 ( dining!), 65 (dog walking!), 75 (excercising!) and so on and on. Alki attracts a far more diverse audience than the neighborhood population, and, now that the real estate market has forced out so many long-time residents, it remains a wonderful — and mostly free — place to visit.

    When I want to see grandiose gentrification, I visit the Bellevue Collection. Or even the Belltown bar scene. But we can have a new plaza, and it can be glorious IN SIMPLICITY.

    The Seattle City Council and Parks Commission have been trying to find a place for a skateboard park. Thanks the the work of the Plaza designers, and the fundraising work of the Carrs, it will be placed at Alki in all it’s glorious racket. The swooping, half-pipe-like ramps will provide a beacon to boarders everywhere — much brighter than Liberty’s torch. The benches — what a wonder to slide and grind upon! Heavens mercy! Two problems solved for just $157,000! What’ll they think of next?

    Let’s go back to the drawing board. The concept of “leaving it better than you found it” needs to e addressed, because if this is better, we are fools.

  • Alki Res. September 14, 2007 (9:39 am)

    Alki Dragonfly, THANK YOU!!!

  • Cass Nevada September 14, 2007 (10:06 am)

    Seems like the humble statue we know and love speaks to a humble past, while the sparkling new and expensive statue-to-be speaks to a proposed future–on that is decidedly higher end then the picnic-park-and-day-at-the-beach Alki we have now. I love the unpretentiousness of West Seattle. I also love a future that includes more artists, better and more varied local dining, music venues, more eclectic shopping, preservation of parks and fun spaces. The model of the proposed statue plaza (Plaza itself sounds just too too…) seems too plastic, too seamless, and too prepackeaged for the character-packed West Seattle we all love.

  • Christopher Boffoli September 14, 2007 (10:16 am)

    Since when is something beautiful and consciously designed against the core-values of West Seattle? Loud-pipe motorcycles, boom box cars and gang fights do more to kill my enjoyment of Alki than any menagerie of paving stones and flowers ever could.

  • MargL September 14, 2007 (10:20 am)

    That design does look like an excellent skateboard park. Can’t wait!

  • Teresa P September 14, 2007 (10:36 am)

    Has anyone not noticed that most of the houses on Akli are being replaced with the modern monster condo’s? This park fits the THEIR landscape as far as I am concerned.

  • SJ September 14, 2007 (10:39 am)

    People will complain that anything different is bad, whether it’s a new statue, condo, park, or whatever.

  • MargL September 14, 2007 (10:45 am)

    Speaking of skateboards and chillin’ maybe we’ll see John Moe down there once the park is done :-)
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2003883313_14again14.html

  • chas redmond September 14, 2007 (10:54 am)

    On the other hand, it would be kinda cool to see the statue lit up at night from – say – Discovery Park. The plaza is a but much but the new pedestal might be okay.

  • ND September 14, 2007 (11:44 am)

    A park with such natural assets has no need for anything this artificial and ostentatious. Better suited for a riverfront in a town like Cleveland.

  • Erik September 14, 2007 (11:49 am)

    Does that mean all of us Alki-slum neighbors (61st) will have to start watering our parking strips?

  • Jo September 14, 2007 (11:56 am)

    “Does that mean all of us Alki-slum neighbors (61st) will have to start watering our parking strips?”
    That’s me, also, Erik.

    Where were all you people at last night’s meeting?
    Mostly pro-plaza.
    Jo

  • Dawson September 14, 2007 (11:57 am)

    Gentrification on Alki? Not sure about the definition of gentrification you’re using, but all the houses I see down there for sale are well over $500k. I guess richer folks pushing out the rich folks might be gentrification for them.

    I like the plaza idea, it could be toned down a bit–remove the lighted base, it’s a little over the top–so that it harmonizes with the overall improvements that have occured already (landscaping, new bathhouse). I don’t think it would damage the character/provincialism of WS to have the new statue in an updated surrounding. But hey, some people like to put shiny rims on a ’76 Honda CVCC.

  • Michael September 14, 2007 (12:16 pm)

    WAAAAAAY too fancy. It’s a freakin’ beach. The statue itself says what needs to be said, and much more than that is trying too hard.
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    Right now I’m wondering who will be profiting on the construction, seeing how much more elaborate it got after the city said they’d “free up” some cash.

  • Tonya September 14, 2007 (1:38 pm)

    Good God, some people just rail against anything.

    Christopher said it best:

    Since when is something beautiful and consciously designed against the core-values of West Seattle? Loud-pipe motorcycles, boom box cars and gang fights do more to kill my enjoyment of Alki than any menagerie of paving stones and flowers ever could.

    Comment by Christopher Boffoli — September 14, 07 10:16 am

  • Tonya September 14, 2007 (1:38 pm)

    Good God, some people just rail against anything.

    Christopher said it best:

    Since when is something beautiful and consciously designed against the core-values of West Seattle? Loud-pipe motorcycles, boom box cars and gang fights do more to kill my enjoyment of Alki than any menagerie of paving stones and flowers ever could.

    Comment by Christopher Boffoli — September 14, 07 10:16 am

  • quiz September 14, 2007 (2:07 pm)

    Alki, humble?

  • Dis September 14, 2007 (2:12 pm)

    Illuminating the night sky with perpetual lighting is a bad idea. There’s no reason to contribute to the light pollution in the world. Did you know that there are virtually no locations in the United States with true darkness at night (Bortle ranking Class 1)? Many of us alive today in the US have never experienced true darkness. There isn’t any reason to light the statue.

  • Benski September 14, 2007 (2:23 pm)

    The designers understand that the plaza is not for the REAL Statue of Liberty right?

    Scrap this plan. Waste of money. Also, who here actually thinks Alki isn’t already fancy? C’mon dudes that is waterfront property there and it’s…um…super expensive.

    Yes, the design is over the top but let’s not start in with the whole, “you’re gentrifying my hood,” speech.

  • JE September 14, 2007 (3:51 pm)

    Dis’s point is an important one; Alki isn’t exactly “Dark Sky” at any time, but best not to add to the light pollution. People who never see the stars get an inflated sense of their own importance in the universe.

  • Kayleigh September 14, 2007 (3:52 pm)

    Only in Seattle would people complain about a beautiful public space.

    Honestly. Does *everything* need to be a debate? Look what happened when we kept debating the freaking light rail/monorail/whatever…how many times did we vote, argue, etc. And the light rail is still in process and who KNOWS about the monorail.

    I miss old Seattle too sometimes, but not because LOVELY things have been added in the last 20 years.

  • Dis September 14, 2007 (5:39 pm)

    I’m sorry but the new pedestal design looks like a Paen to Phallus. With a woman atop, no less.

  • flipjack September 14, 2007 (7:15 pm)

    All it needs is a miniature version of the Freedom Tower that the Fascists want to build on ground zero….or maybe at least a bust or full on Lenin-esque statue of Mayor Gridlock.

  • early morningh September 14, 2007 (8:58 pm)

    The upkeep on this elaborate plaza will be the burden of the Park Department-we won’t see the organizers down there maintaining it. Please, please, please let us come to our senses and not go this far. Secession from the Carr’s was noted earlier and that sounds good too. I agree that we need no more light pollution, lit all night would be a bit too much. Maybe the new base would be good but just keep it simple.
    I’m sorry but the new pedestal design looks like a Paen to Phallus. With a woman atop, no less. Funny and a bit of truth to it!

    “WAAAAAAY too fancy. It’s a freakin’ beach. The statue itself says what needs to be said, and much more than that is trying too hard.
    .
    Right now I’m wondering who will be profiting on the construction, seeing how much more elaborate it got after the city said they’d “free up” some cash” Will they get paid for their previous work and what will they get paid? Do they get paid for
    emails, radio shows, countless interviews by the media?

  • WSB September 14, 2007 (9:03 pm)

    To earlymorning’s point – the Carrs said at last night’s meeting that when the plaza is done, they want to disband. It should be re-noted that most of the design under current discussion predates their involvement.

  • early morningh September 15, 2007 (8:53 pm)

    Right now I’m wondering who will be profiting on the construction, seeing how much more elaborate it got after the city said they’d “free up” some cash.

    Comment by Michael — September 14, 07 12:16 pm #
    Assume wsb did not know I was quoting Michael above me. Most of are aware of the Carrs and their entrance into the circus ring. As I remember, several times they admitted that the restoration of this statue was a start of what they hoped would be a nation wide project. So, my question remains, do they want to be paid for all the interviews, emails, crash meetings they have held, arranged, etc? When and what are going to take out of each donation, when does or did the accounting for that begin? I like to know this on each of my donations, no matter where they are going. It is why I don’t like to give to certain large charities with large overheads.

  • matt September 17, 2007 (8:01 am)

    WSB, thanks for the even handed rundown of the meeting!

  • matt September 17, 2007 (8:17 am)

    Early morningh, everyone has volunteered their time to bring this project to this point, so the only people that will benefit will be the community when it is all said and done.

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