West Seattle snow and ice: Monday afternoon updates

(this update covered 1 pm to 7 pm; please go here for the evening updates – thanks!)

(The Olympics, with Blake Island in the foreground, photographed by Jana in Upper Fauntleroy)
After publishing a few other items, it’s time to start the Monday afternoon coverage, looking ahead to the commute back home from work and school. First, an update from Rick Sheridan at SDOT:

Out of 13 SDOT plow/sanding trucks working primary and secondary arterials citywide, we currently have eight trucks focusing on the streets of West Seattle. This emphasis on West Seattle has been ongoing since Sunday. The problem is that we will melt the ice with sand and liquid de-icer, but below freezing temperatures cause a rapid refreeze.

However, SDOT will keep working those arterials streets and will have plow/sanding vehicles standing by at the West Seattle Bridge and Alaskan Way Viaduct for the evening commute.

We mentioned earlier that one of the many treacherously icy non-arterials was SW Myrtle east of (and uphill from) Delridge, by Sanislo Elementary; here’s an update from Sanislo mom Lisa K, who said the street was closed by the time she reached the vicinity:

The principal was out with a few staff members trying to assist in buses turning around on the hill on 21st–not an easy thing to do. Bus drivers are sure earning their $$ today. Classes were about half full when school started, and the front office announced to teachers that two buses were still incoming. I just spoke to the school secretary, and she said that they were told the roads near the school would be sanded, but she hadn’t heard yet if that had actually happened. Even with the sand, it is a steep grade and next to the school there’s little passing room for errors–I don’t know that I’d try it unless things really melt off by afternoon. Those with more winter driving experience may feel more confident than I, however. If you’re fairly sure-footed and don’t have to carry little ones, I’d recommend parking on Delridge and taking the Myrtle stairway. We decided to take that route to school this morning, and although the stairway was a bit icy, it wasn’t terrible if you took your time and had on appropriate footwear (slippy shoes would be a bad idea on your way back down). Certainly easier than trying to negotiate Myrtle or 21st.

School, you’ll recall, started two hours late; we don’t expect to hear till much later tonight what the plan is for tomorrow, and we’ll let you know as soon as it’s announced. (And again, if you are affiliated with a private school, we appreciate getting that info too; we posted this list of all known school changes starting late last night and updating through the morning.)

Samantha from West Seattle Family YMCA (WSB sponsor) just sent this update on their changes:

West Seattle YMCA health & wellness facility will close at 8 pm.
Family Programs will close at 6 pm.
Fauntleroy YMCA health & wellness facility will close at 8 pm.
No evening Kids Corner at Fauntleroy.
Classes at both facilities may or may not run, based on instructor’s ability to get in safely.
Call 206-937-1000 for Fauntleroy specifics, 206-935-6000 for West Seattle specifics.

YMCA Childcare/School-based Programs:
Community Learning Centers will be closed.
Child care at Concord Elementary and Cooper Elementary will close at 3 pm.
Preschool at the West Seattle YMCA will close at 5 pm.
Child care at West Seattle Elementary and Arbor Heights Elementary will close at 6 pm (normal time).

1:31 PM UPDATE: It’s official – this was the coldest December 15 ever; Times says 19 degrees was the low at Sea-Tac, breaking the record of 20 set in 1964. A “special weather statement” is in effect, warning about the continued cold (tonight’s low could be even lower, and snow is still a possibility for Wednesday).

2:20 PM UPDATE: Some potentially helpful links looking ahead to the afternoon/evening commute:
Latest list of bus routes on “adverse weather” reroutes
School changes (though any for tomorrow are not likely to be announced till much later)
King County road alerts
Latest forecast
WSDOT trouble spots via Twitter
Washington State Ferries “service bulletins”
Live 911 log for Seattle fire/medic calls

Here’s the latest pic (refresh for updates) from the city camera pointed east on The Bridge:

Other cameras of West Seattle relevance are on our Traffic page.

3:42 PM UPDATE: From Dewey Potter at Seattle Parks:

Because of the icy street conditions on all access points at High Point Community Center, basketball practices are cancelled there for tonight.

Four teams were scheduled to practice tonight. Center staff will call coaches and participants to notify them of the cancellation. High Point staff will work with the coaches to schedule a make-up practice day for each team. For more information, the public can call High Point Community Center Coordinator Brian Judd at 206-684-7422.

And if anybody needs a reminder – Hillary sent this photo from 42nd SW – didn’t say where, but really, there are dozens of places like this:

The city had reported earlier that trash service was postponed today for all of West Seattle; maybe that message didn’t get to all the trucks, because Nathan sent us this photo:

He wrote:

things were not going well for at least one garbage truck trying to negotiate Holly St. near 44th Ave. SW. I took these pictures at 12 PM, looks like the garbage truck must have slid down the slight hill near the intersection of Holly and 44th SW and hit the parked Dodge Neon.

If you missed it this morning, here’s the city announcement again about trash service.

4:29 PM UPDATE: Just got word from Fran Z that Alki Bingo is canceled tonight — no session next week since it’ll be almost Christmas, so that means the next scheduled session is January 5th. (It’s on the WSB West Seattle Events calendar every week.) Fran also reminds those who do a lot of walking, like she does, that the sidewalks are very slick in so many spots, just like those side roads. Meantime, your editor here is about to head downtown for the Viaduct forum – with access along the way, of course, so we can provide commute updates from whatever we see in the other direction; co-publisher Patrick is holding down the fort at HQ for any updates in the meantime. Before the switchover — here’s a photo just in from Bob Bollen at Alki:

Side note: For the citywide traffic-camera network – click here. For the state highway traffic cams, click here.

5:27 PM UPDATE: Road report from your editor: No problem getting downtown (where the Town Hall Viaduct forum is about to start with a recap of everything that’s gotten the decisionmaking agencies to this point). Route: California from Thistle to Fauntleroy, Fauntleroy to the Bridge. All just great – of course, except for the stub of side street we had to travel first, and we saw many such streets shining with ice as we drove along Fauntleroy and caught glimpses in our peripheral vision. If you have to return to such a street – be very, very, very, very careful. And in fact, a road-closure report is just in from Melissa in Westwood:

SW Barton Place (in between Barton St. and Roxbury St.) is a sheet of ice and was closed this afternoon around 4:00 due to the bad conditions. I have no idea when it’s reopening, but since there are other ways of getting around, I don’t think it will cause too much of a hassle. Be careful!

6:12 PM UPDATE: Starting an evening post shortly (after 6:30 pm, when hopefully most folks are home safely and we switch to looking ahead to tomorrow). First a note – Winter Storm Watch now in effect for late Tuesday night through late Wednesday night; here’s the latest forecast. And one more daytime beauty shot – Vanessa photographed a windsurfer at Alki:

6:36 PM UPDATE: 911 log shows a “motor vehicle accident” at California/Dawson south of The Junction. No other details, but sounds like an extra reason to avoid the area for a while.

44 Replies to "West Seattle snow and ice: Monday afternoon updates"

  • bigmark December 15, 2008 (1:43 pm)

    Does anyone know if any place has salt/de-icer in stock? Both Home Depot’s were out as of yesterday evening.

  • aptr3 December 15, 2008 (1:45 pm)

    Hello – re: SSCC… does anyone know the safest / easiest route at this point? I’m thinking of taking Delridge down to Thistle, heading up to 16th and then back-tracking to the college … unless someone in the know tells me that’s a terrible idea. ;o)
    Thanks all!

  • m December 15, 2008 (1:55 pm)

    Does anyone know if mail is being delivered in Arbor Heights?

  • WSB December 15, 2008 (1:57 pm)

    We got ours in Upper Fauntleroy. If you have an arterial anywhere nearby I would bet the carrier is parking where it’s safe and walking where she/he needs to.

  • HSG December 15, 2008 (1:59 pm)

    If you turn up Oregon from Delridge you should be fine. We live on 17th and were able to get down to Delridge and back home again without any problems earlier today.

  • Peaches December 15, 2008 (2:06 pm)

    Saw a mail truck with one tire chained going west on Roxbury by Safeway. Shortage of chains for the postal fleet?

  • wsfan December 15, 2008 (2:14 pm)

    A former WS-ite here, who has plans in WS tonight – normally a ‘Yay!’ mood for that, but I’m a little (a lot?) concerned about getting around.

    Are the main drags easily passable? Coming from the bridge, is Admiral or Fauntleroy a better bet? Or, Avalon?

    The getting up to WS during the 7pm hour is as scary as the getting back down part around 10pm-ish. I am admittedly freaked about that.

    Any insights from the WS population out there? Our plans are pretty much in the Junction or Admiral district, on California.
    (If the plans weren’t with an out-of-towner we would reschedule.)

  • MB December 15, 2008 (2:14 pm)

    When I left for work this morning, Delridge was fine, 16th was fine, Dumar Way (the hill in between Delridge & 16th) was totally fine. From what I saw, you should have no problem getting to SSCC.

  • MB December 15, 2008 (2:17 pm)

    To clarify, now that I look at a map…from Delridge, turn onto SW Orchard which turns into Dumar Way SW and takes you up to 16th.

  • B December 15, 2008 (2:18 pm)

    WS Fan – If you are headed to the main drags (aka, California, Alaska, etc..) You’ll be fine. It’s mostly off the main streets in the neighborhoods that are bad right now.

  • B December 15, 2008 (2:19 pm)

    Oh…and IMO the bridge is actually the SAFEST road right now because everyone is doing their part and going slow and they are sanding the heck out of it.

  • JenV December 15, 2008 (2:25 pm)

    Can only speak for Fauntleroy and California – both of those main drags are just fine. Side streets are still a nightmare, and will probably get worse as it gets colder tonight.

  • add December 15, 2008 (2:50 pm)

    What a gorgeous view of the mountains!!! The side streets of West Seattle … not so much.

  • Sean December 15, 2008 (3:00 pm)

    “The problem is that we will melt the ice with sand and liquid de-icer, but below freezing temperatures cause a rapid refreeze.”

    The only remedy is to use salt in order to lower the melting temperature of the snow/ice. But Seattle is morally opposed to using this method that has been used forever in the rest of the country.

  • Justin December 15, 2008 (3:14 pm)

    Anyone know if Highland Park Way is closed? I usually come home that way, but took the West Seattle Bridge this morning to be sure … Thanks!

  • Scott B. December 15, 2008 (3:34 pm)

    m, AFAIK, the mail always goes through except for scheduled days with no delivery (e.g., Sundays and holidays).

    Peaches, the USPS vehicle probably had one chain come off (sometimes part of the chain breaks), and the driver either didn’t notice or thought he was getting around well enough that he did not want to go back to wherever someone would put another chain on. I doubt the carriers handle the chains themselves.

  • Canderson December 15, 2008 (3:37 pm)

    Given all the dead grass I saw on the side of the road when I lived on the East Coast, I hope that Seattle remains morally opposed to salt.

  • MJ December 15, 2008 (3:45 pm)

    Justin – Highland Park Way was not closed this morning when I left late. It was sanded pretty well…

  • BG December 15, 2008 (3:46 pm)

    I would prefer a little bit of dead grass instead of a slick road

  • hopey December 15, 2008 (3:50 pm)

    In case you hadn’t already guessed, no garbage service today:

    “SEATTLE — Single-family residential garbage, yard waste and recycling collection has been delayed in West Seattle for today, Monday December 15th, due dangerous road conditions. Business and apartment services will be collected on schedule.”

    http://www.seattle.gov/util/About_SPU/News/News_Releases/SPU01_004120.asp

  • A December 15, 2008 (3:53 pm)

    When will they pick up our trash!?!?!

  • chas redmond December 15, 2008 (3:54 pm)

    The salt also corrodes vehicles – ever notice how there are no decent older cars back East?

    Gatewood Hill seems to be Ice Mountain Central – had to try two different streets to actually get back home to 39th & Monroe – advice – use Holden from either California or 35th to get to the central N-S arteries on the hill – 37th, 38th, 39th & 41st.

  • WSB December 15, 2008 (3:57 pm)

    A – I linked to the trash info earlier but am about to relink. Trash service in West Seattle was called off till at least tomorrow. If they can’t get to it tomorrow, it’ll be delayed till next week.
    http://seattle.gov/news/detail.asp?ID=9137&Dept=20

  • datamuse December 15, 2008 (4:00 pm)

    I took Highland Park Way this morning at around 7:45 and it was fine. Hoping the same will be the case this evening, and if not, that the closure is clearly signed–my little Prius won’t make that hill if it’s icy.

    The salt also corrodes vehicles – ever notice how there are no decent older cars back East?

    It does corrode vehicles, but I lived in the DC area for 18 years and this is…not strictly true. Plenty of older cars, well cared for, including the Mercedes I drove for several years.

  • Sean December 15, 2008 (4:01 pm)

    I am aware of the pros and cons of salting. I myself am ambivalent to it. I was just saying.

  • GenHillOne December 15, 2008 (4:18 pm)

    Anyone know status of Admiral Theatre tonight? Nothing on website or phoneline.

  • JenV December 15, 2008 (4:26 pm)

    while navigating the side streets on my way home a few minutes ago, I was tailgated twice! JFC people, get a frickin’ clue!!!!

  • paul December 15, 2008 (4:29 pm)

    Here Here JenV, my god people are morons. Can I say head trama when you smash your car because you cannot drive a bit slower????
    Its getting dark and the streets are starting to reice, so beware. There is a reason its called black ice folks. And its not because its dark outside. And Fauntleroy has turned back into the freeway again.

  • mayjune December 15, 2008 (4:46 pm)

    The side streets between Fauntleroy/35th (south of Alaska, north of Morgan) are a MESS. We just slid down the Raymond hill between 36th & 37th sideways in our car. We won’t be going down that hill again until the ice melts.

  • add December 15, 2008 (5:01 pm)

    mayjune – even south of Morgan, still a mess.

  • GreenSpaces December 15, 2008 (5:04 pm)

    It if wasn’t so darn cold I would set up a lawn chair and sit out there and watch all my neighbors come home from work down SW Raymond (E of 35th). I don’t even know how they all got out! Not that I think this is “entertainment” per se, but it is very interesting to watch how people function under pressure.

    By the way, all roads in High Point are like glass. Maybe park on 35th and walk in if you plan on going somewhere again tomorrow. Or use Morgan/32nd and other N/S streets and avoid the streets with names since they are all the ones with hills.

  • JimmyG December 15, 2008 (5:07 pm)

    Good Lord people, I don’t expect SDOT to be sanding every side street, they got the main arterials for the most part and we live in a hilly city, it’s just how it is sometimes during winter.

    Learn how to adapt and be prepared and you’ll be fine. I made it no problem to and from work today in south King County by driving very slowly until I got to Fauntleroy. And I live at the top of the hill in my ‘hood.

  • GenHillOne December 15, 2008 (5:08 pm)

    Are people actually seeing these 8 plows/sanders? I know there have been a few sightings noted here, but it doesn’t feel like we have 60% of the machinery.

  • Roger December 15, 2008 (6:10 pm)

    FWI, we were passed earlier this afternoon on southbound CA avenue going up the Gatewood Hill.
    Apparently, going the speed limit, on an uphill road, with ice on the medians/curbs, is reason enought to be PASSED on the climb.
    The teenage driver of the passing vehicle also felt the need to throw the finger at us, too, as she sped past uphill crossing the icy patches, twice, going at least 45 mph.
    Perhaps, parents/friends of such drivers could take some time to ‘re-educate’ their teens about less-aggressive driving in bad conditions.

  • Admiral Janeway December 15, 2008 (6:18 pm)

    During the morning and evening commute, I saw a driver flash their bright lights on the car in front of them. As far as I could tell, neither car deserved it (based on the speed they were going). Geez people pack a little patience will ya?

  • Hillary December 15, 2008 (6:29 pm)

    RE: Some of the posts above.

    Mailman made it to our house in Arbor Heights today – with chains. Getting to the mailbox was an adventure – requires a helmet and ice skates.

    UPS without chains (I was shocked).

    We have not seen or heard any plow/sanding machinery in Arbor Heights.

    wsfan, I would advise you stay home. Whatever you need to do in WS can wait – not worth the risk to yourself or your vehicle.

  • p December 15, 2008 (6:37 pm)

    People need to really get a clue and slow down!
    Don’t forget your pets, if you are walking them, and you cross areas where people have put down salt, etc, make sure to wash your pets paws when you get home. That stuff can be toxic to your pet.

  • KT December 15, 2008 (6:42 pm)

    I think the City of Seattle and its elected leaders should be ashamed of itself. We are approaching 48 hrs after the storm and the side streets in West Seattle are impassable. I live 2 blocks off California between Admiral & Alaska Junctions and this is a complete skating rink. There is absolutely no reason they could not have been treated at least once. No reason whatsoever. I am not asking that they be bare, just freaking treated and passable. This is a one example of why I would love to see our City Council elected on an area basis rather than at-large. It’s done in other major cities and works. Maybe then we could elect someone who would look out for our interests. Whether it is this new insult or the viaduct debate or several other issues, it certainly seems to me that no one is now.

  • JayDee December 15, 2008 (6:45 pm)

    I think I saw/heard a sander go by on 56th Ave SW. It was a SDOT truck, so I am assuming that since my scarf, hat, and cold weather gear are off that they were sanding the street. Granted, 56th is used by folks coming off the Genesee plateau but is not a major artery. So some hope for others.

    I am hoping for sublimation of the ice, which may happen given the dewpoints in the single digits, the wind, and apparently, sunlight.

  • d December 15, 2008 (6:54 pm)

    Hey –

    Wondering if anyone has gone north up Dawson hill curve by the glass studio and then down to Delridge since the sun went down?

    I want to go work out at Allstar but am now actually just realizing as I write this I should probably access Delridge from much further south, huh?

  • datamuse December 15, 2008 (7:04 pm)

    Came home via Highland Park Way and 9th Ave, mostly dry and clear. SW Kenyon is navigable, too, that’s pretty much the only way for people who live on the eastern side of that ridge to get out.
    .
    Now we’ll just see what Wednesday dumps on us…

  • WSB December 15, 2008 (7:37 pm)

    Just started the evening post – so moving the discussions and updates there – we can’t say it enough, thanks for all the information about what’s happening. Looks like this is going to be a rough week and might even get worse but the time you can take to share updates is undoubtedly paying off exponentially for others, so it’s very much appreciated. Here’s the evening update:
    https://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=12711

  • cakeitseasy December 15, 2008 (7:56 pm)

    FOR KT:
    Never mind the SDOT…many sidewalks haven’t even been cleared by homeowners! (maybe people just don’t own snow shovels?). Unfortunately, the city has never bothered with the side streets in winter storms…ever. I guess they figure it happens so infrequently, it’s cheaper to deal with the fall out once every 2 years or so, rather than spending $$ to be prepared. I agree however, they should have a better plan in place for these unusual situations…especially when they’ve know for days in advance that this was headed our way. Maybe some neighborhoods around the city that do have clear side streets have strong covenants or homeowners associations or something like that and have contracted private crews?

    As for electing the City Council by area…that comes up on the ballot every few years(but really, has our WS Mayor benefited his home constituency in any significant way?)IMO, I doubt it would be much help to have a city council elected by area, unfortunately. And it might even encourage pork barrel politics. Still, I know what you mean…like WS often gets the shaft on important matters, and seems to be regarded as the ‘Staten Island’ of Seattle (hello NY’rs). I do wish we had more people (like homeboy Dow Constantine, for example) who are willing “represent” and go to bat for us on transport issues etc. But I think most of Seattle is SOL when it comes to ice and snow.

  • J December 15, 2008 (9:05 pm)

    WSB, your offering a place for us all to collaborate and share information is, likewise, very much appreciated!

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