WEST SEATTLE ROADS: The case of the crumbling cul-de-sac

Andy Cote and his neighbors on SW Portland Court [map] call it “The Hole.”

It’s not anything close to the size of the West Seattle development excavation that held that title for years. But they’re having trouble understanding why it hasn’t been fixed. The city claims that it addresses road holes quickly. Andy says he’s been reporting this one for three years. But it’s not shown on the city’s pothole map – either as fixed or as pending.

We talked with him and his neighbors this morning, as the return of summer sunshine showed it in all its glory.

This one isn’t a deep hole. The problem is that it’s a spot in the road where the pavement has literally eroded away.

Among the handful of homes on their cul-de-sac, two residents require wheelchairs, and they have a problem too – no curb cuts.

What curbs they do have, are also crumbling. They wonder if development just to the east, with a retaining wall built five years ago, is to blame. Whatever it is, they say, it’s nothing they have any control over, and since the city owns the road and sidewalks, they’re looking for a little help.

And what burns a bit – neighbor Hillairee says SDOT will “show up for something we haven’t bugged them about.” Like, if “sidewalk closed” signs related to work nearby nearby are moved. (Portland Court is just off 26th SW, which leads directly to Denny International Middle School and adjacent Chief Sealth International High School down the block to the south.)

So this week, they put out a call for help – to City Councilmember Lisa Herbold, among others, and cc’d us. Andy explained in the note, “Our cul de sac is crumbling. I am assuming it was paved one time in the early 1950s. With the 8 houses on the cul de sac and the multiple deliveries coming and going every day with the changing retail environment, the pavement is gone in a spot. If that spot is not corrected soon, the entire bottom portion of the cul de sac will be gravel. Already there is a 6 foot square that can no longer be pavement.”

Not long after we stopped by this morning to talk with neighbors by The Hole, Andy e-mailed to say that they had received a reply from Herbold, who said she’s sorry he hasn’t heard from SDOT, and added:

By the way of this email, I am bringing this situation directly to the attention of Scott Kubly, Director of the Department of Transportation, as well as Elliot Helmbrecht, the Department of Transportation liaison to the Seattle City Council. Director Kubly and his staff are best equipped to address this problem.

Will they? We’ll be following up.

14 Replies to "WEST SEATTLE ROADS: The case of the crumbling cul-de-sac"

  • Trish June 22, 2017 (10:32 am)

    Things happen when the Blog is involved!  Thanks for sharing this story as it relates to so many residential roads in West Seattle.  As our property values keep rising, so do our taxes and basic maintenance of our roads is expected.

  • sam-c June 22, 2017 (10:42 am)

    in that second photo, doesn’t it kinda look like there is a manhole cover under-neath all the rubble and rocks?   Maybe I am just seeing things.

    • chemist June 22, 2017 (11:03 am)

      Yeah, I think it’s a case of a manhole cover having to be “raised” to the level of pavement so it’s not just filling a pothole but a “thing” involving SPU.

      • WSB June 22, 2017 (11:26 am)

        SDOT is ultimately responsible for the road – we’ve covered a variety of issues with or without utility access involved. They haven’t had responses from anyone, and if you look closely at the photo, the cover is a small part of the total area affected.

  • annaeileen June 22, 2017 (10:44 am)

    We have a never ending potholes/crumbling road issue on our street in North Delridge. I was reporting it weekly in the winter as they would patch it/the area and then it would crumble the next day with large hunks of road coming up.  Since it’s warmed up the cracking and crumbling has slowed but it’s never going to be fixed correctly until they repave and I am sure it’s not on any list.  We have so much new construction that the large trucks/semi’s are helping.  I can image there are crumbling potholes/roads all over the city like this. 

  • Scott A June 22, 2017 (11:32 am)

    Streetview imagery is a little old (June 2014) but I know many areas of Seattle that would love the quality of curbs and sidewalks in this cul-de-sac unless they’ve greatly deteriorated in 3 years.  With that said I’m glad neighbors are getting SDOT to make some fixes – always welcome!

    • WSB June 22, 2017 (12:08 pm)

      Yes, having just been there, it’s deteriorated. The curbs are in pieces; the east side of the circle is where things seem to be sinking. Not a lot of photos because we’ve been running from one place to another today (at the fourth of six events/interviews right now) but the point, again, is that the city says it responds to road holes quickly, and they say they’ve had crickets.

  • Angela June 22, 2017 (11:36 am)

    Thank you WSB both for helping get the word out about neighborhood issues and prompting quick responses. Thanks also to neighbor Andy for his tenacity in driving for solutions. 

  • Aussieshed June 22, 2017 (3:48 pm)

    Yep lots of crumbling streets about. If you want to see one I suggest driving on SW Cloverdale between 22nd & 24th Ave SW. Parts of it look like a waffle ready to break apart and with no curbs the sides of the roads are washing away, especially where the easements/back alleys meet the street.

  • Mw June 22, 2017 (3:52 pm)

    Also live in North Delridge near the Delridge community center. I’m guessing the high volume of Southwest Plumbing trucks that speed down two blocks (between Alaska and Genesee) of 26th every morning (seemingly to avoid Delridge traffic) contribute to the road issues on 26th. Side note – I’m hoping a pedestrian or biker isn’t run over by them – I’m guessing it won’t be until something like that happens that they’ll decide to take the arterial like a responsible company should.

  • redblack June 22, 2017 (7:11 pm)

    it was an erosive, wet winter. i think it changed and undermined a lot of surface-level things.

    i haven’t been here in a while, so i don’t know off-hand is WSB has covered it…

    but what is up with edmunds street? the concrete roadway is completely shattered just west of uptown cafe, and an oil-pan-busting nightmare at 40th street. in the eastbound lane at both sites.

  • MercyMoi June 22, 2017 (8:15 pm)

    The Edmunds St shattered area just west of Uptown (eastbound between 44th Ave and California) basically runs up along my property. Neighbors and I have been contacting the city about it and nothing has been done! I’m worried about my property at this point, as well as the street condition. 

    • WSB June 22, 2017 (9:05 pm)

      I would just speculate wildly … buses? Since the RR goes around that corner.

  • annaeileen June 23, 2017 (9:21 am)

    I live on 26th and I see SW plumbing and a lot of
    other people every morning use 26th because Delridge is so backed up.  Our neighbors have so much trouble getting
    out of our driveways during rush hour, it’s frustrating. 

     When our pothole first appeared we didn’t want it fixed as
    we were hoping it would slow drivers on our street down but then it became a
    such a hazard  I finally called it in and then the weekly fix/crack/get
    worse/fix situation occurred until it warmed up. The new fixed pieces crumbling
    were definitely oil-pan busting! 

     I am curious to see what Kubly will say, this is not a
    unique situation and it is only going to get worse for all of us.  How to prioritize the list?  

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