@ Fauntleroy Community Association: ‘Quick’ response to oppose City Council park-camping proposal; first word of WSF meeting

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The Fauntleroy Community Association board vows “quick” action to let the City Council know it’s against proposed legislation that could change the rules about camping in city parks (the subject of this much-commented-on WSB report last Friday). That was one of the major topics on its agenda last night:

CAMPING IN PARKS? FCA’s jurisdiction includes Lincoln Park, and that made the proposed legislation a major topic at tonight’s meeting. Several members, said president Mike Dey, had asked whether FCA would consider “getting involved” as an organization, and if so, what would the response be, and that’s how it ended up on the agenda.

One attendee said she had never come to a neighborhood meeting before, until she saw this was on the agenda. “This is something that I’m passionate about, I cannot have my kids’ safety” (jeopardized). She said that her job brings her into contact with families experiencing homelessness, but a park is not the appropriate place for anyone to live.

All it does is degrade neighborhoods AND people, said one FCA board member. It’s going to perpetuate the problem.

“It’s not a solution, it’s a nightmare,” said another one.

“What if we did a survey, and put data” behind the response? suggested another member. Unfortunately, time’s running out, the point was made.

Is this an issue on which to burn political capital? was one question. Public opinion seems overwhelmingly against it. But is the council listening? Most didn’t think so: “I’m scared to death they’re going to approve it.”

After a further short round of discussion, the FCA board voted unanimously to draft and send a letter expressing opposition to the ordinance. “We will respond, and will respond quickly” was the promise.

The discussion happened at mid-meeting, but even before the meeting began, it was the major topic of discussion. Referring to the incident earlier in the day in which Seattle Police shot and killed one of two people in a reported knife fight near the clearing of “The Jungle” on Beacon Hill, one person said, “Hoping this doesn’t happen at Lincoln Park.”

Another expressed interest in acquiring a tent “because I am ready to go camp outside the mayor’s office.”

The agenda is now up for the 9:30 am Friday meeting at which the City Council’s Human Services and Public Health Committee is scheduled to consider the proposal, but as of this writing (11 am Wednesday) the updated version of the legislation is not yet available online. (Added 12:28 pm: There are multiple reports that the committee will not VOTE on Friday. But the meeting is still scheduled.)

Next hottest topic:

FERRY UPDATES: This briefing by Gary Dawson, FCA’s point person on Washington State Ferries-related issues, brought first word that WSF is planning public meetings to talk about the Fauntleroy-Vashon-Southworth route’s issues.

Dawson announced – and we have since confirmed today with WSF – that on Thursday, October 27th, 5-6:30 pm, there will be a public meeting at the Fauntleroy Schoolhouse WSF spokesperson Brian Mannion told us today that the official public announcement will be out in a few days, and added:

WSF’s goal for these meetings is to get a holistic picture of what people around the route are seeing, and what is important to each community. This feedback, along with traffic, safety, and performance data ferry staff have been collecting on the route, will form the starting point for a route-wide public process to identify attainable solutions to help make things better on the Triangle.

At the FCA meeting, Dawson said he believes ferry-system boss Lynne Griffith will be in attendance, and FCA will do what they can to start mustering turnout to express concerns about dock traffic (which at one point over the summer backed up on Fauntleroy Way past Morgan Junction and into the Fairmount Springs area).

(WSB photo from August)

Some talk ensued about whether passenger-ferry service between Kitsap County and downtown Seattle could take the pressure off the WSF car ferries; Kitsap voters have a tax increase for that kind of service on next month’s ballot. As for Fauntleroy, it’s not a case of being anti-ferry, one board member said, it’s that “we’re maxed out.”

SEATTLE POLICE: Lt. Steve Strand, who is daytime commander at Southwest Precinct, represented SPD at the FCA meeting. He mentioned (as the Pigeon Point Neighborhood Council had been told the night before) that the precinct has five new officers – some are attrition replacement, but it means at least the precinct is not short-staffed, and hiring is going fairly well, “good quality recruits, lateral transfers,” etc. Burglaries and car prowls remain major problems. The precinct continues to have one Community Police Team Officer Todd Wiebke assigned to deal with people experiencing homelessness. Lt. Strand said that currently, they have no indication that anyone is camping in Lincoln Park, and asked if anyone in the room had seen campers there; they had not.

One community concern: Loitering and drug use in the Solstice Park area just off 44th SW, including during the hours when kids are walking by on their way to nearby Gatewood Elementary. Lt. Strand said that “the best thing to do is to call us when that’s happening.” He says that when neighbors insist “it happens every night, all night long,” officers might go by and not see anything, so call when it’s happening. And, the consensus was, call 911, since the calls all go to the same place, if something is happening RIGHT NOW. “Almost NOBODY calls 911 more than they should,” Lt. Strand said.

He was asked about the Westwood Village/Roxhill Park area, and reiterated – as has been said at other community meetings lately – that it’s an emphasis spot.

Various other related topics came up – from obvious signs of prowling, to solicitors; sometimes the latter might be casing, sometimes not, according to Lt. Strand, who also advised people to heed the anti-car-prowl advice that SPD has circulated. Reporting even car prowls in which nothing has been taken will help them track what’s happening and where, Lt. Strand said.

PARKING SUBCOMMITTEE: Gary Dawson had an update on a letter that’s in the works to go to SDOT about parking challenges in areas south and east of the Fauntleroy ferry dock. They’re hoping to make changes to the terms of the RPZ, and are hoping to restrict car-share parking, which has been particularly prolific due to the proximity of the ferry dock. The letter is still in draft form; any changes to the RPZwould require a public-comment period, the group says.

FAUNTLEROY FALL FESTIVAL: Deb Kerns says musical favorites are back – including the West Seattle Big Band and the Endolyne Children’s Choir – for the 2-5 pm festival on Sunday, October 23rd, along with a variety of activities – as always, it will be a “hub of activity” behind the schoolhouse and around Fauntleroy Church/YMCA. All free except for the food that will be offered for sale by Tuxedos and Tennis Shoes, Endolyne Joe’s, and “the tamale guy” – and if you would like to donate to support the festival (which costs ~$8,000 to present), volunteers will be circulating with ways to do it online, via portable devices on-site. The festival dates back to 2002 – when community leaders decided that it was time, in the wake of 9/11 the year before, that neighbors needed a chance to get together face-to-face.

WELCOME BAGS: Fauntleroy might be the only neighborhood that does this for people moving in – and some discussion last night involved what should be in what’s given to newly arrived neighbors. Should the various informational items and tchotchkes be consolidated into, perhaps, a directory? The discussion will continue.

The Fauntleroy Community Association board meets second Tuesdays, 7 pm, at the Fauntleroy Schoolhouse. Updates and other community info are online at fauntleroy.net.

36 Replies to "@ Fauntleroy Community Association: 'Quick' response to oppose City Council park-camping proposal; first word of WSF meeting"

  • Chuck October 12, 2016 (11:33 am)

    Love this. The groundswell of opposition to the Council’s madness continues. I’ve never before seen such near-unanimous “against” viewpoints expressed here or on FB. I believe that if the Council goes ahead and approves city-wide “camping,” that they have all but conceded their positions. Each and every one (with the possible exception of Burgess) will be voted out. Even in pro-lib Seattle, a thoroughly bad idea can be seen as such.  I urge everyone to continue writing letters, signing petitions and just generally speaking out against this proposition. Hell, they’ve all but turned this old curmudgeon into an activist. As I’ve said elsewhere, it would not surprise me if it weren’t the whole point: get the people involved in the solution. It certainly seems too big for our Mayor and Council to figure out, no doubt. 

  • joesmart October 12, 2016 (11:33 am)

    Sign the petition to stop camping in parks !! 

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-seattle-turning-our-parks-into-homeless-camps

  • Rusty October 12, 2016 (11:42 am)

    If you’re interested (I didn’t see a link to the petition in the story), here it is:

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-seattle-turning-our-parks-into-homeless-camps

    Let’s do our best to put a halt to the madness before our inept council destroys our parks. The real solution will only come when we can offer hope to the homeless – treatment, housing (with rules), or fines and jail by enforcing the law (i.e., no camping on public land). Simply moving them around is not going to help anyone, and is not compassionate. Lets get help for those who want it, and get some consequences for those that don’t. Enough is enough.

  • We Love Our Parks October 12, 2016 (11:52 am)

    Please consider using your voice and email Lisa Herbold at lisa.herbold@seattle.gov. Let her know we’d like her to vote no and keep our parks safe for everyone. 

  • d October 12, 2016 (12:07 pm)

    Forget camping in front of the mayor’s office you need to camp out in front of his house

  • Jack Sparra October 12, 2016 (12:26 pm)

    Please folks, don’t let this happen…I want VOTE of NO CONFIDENCE or RECALL for representatives that vote for this idea period! I have sympathy for this issue, but leave them as is until a “solution” not a deference is determined.

  • ACG October 12, 2016 (12:31 pm)

     THANK YOU, FCA for standing up for Lincoln Park and Fauntleroy Park (and supporting all of the other parks in WS and Seattle in general). 

    Time is running out on this issue- the vote is Friday morning!!  The mayor has said he will veto it, but the concern is that the council may have enough votes to overturn the vetoPlease, if you feel strongly about this, write ALL of the councilmembers (in addition to signing the petition). 

    Lisa Herbold is our West Seattle rep, but in case she doesn’t listen to her constituents wishes, please write all of the other members.  CC the same letter to all of them if that helps save time.  Perhaps other councilmembers will be swayed to vote no if their inboxes are flooded.  Lisa Herbold has lost my vote in the next election.  Wish she could be voted out in November- it wont be soon enough.

    We are all busy with our lives, but taking 5 minutes to send an email could really impact how our parks and public spaces are used. 

     Here is the contact info for our councilmembers:

    Councilmember
    Sally Bagshaw
    sally.bagshaw@seattle.gov

    Councilmember Tim Burgess
    tim.burgess@seattle.gov

    Councilmember M. Lorena Gonzalez
    lorena.gonzalez@seattle.gov

    Councilmember Bruce Harrell
    bruce.harrell@seattle.gov

    Councilmember Lisa Herbold
    lisa.herbold@seattle.gov


    Councilmember Rob Johnson
    rob.johnson@seattle.gov

    Councilmember Debora Juarez
    debora.juarez@seattle.gov

    Councilmember Mike O’Brien
    mike.obrien@seattle.gov

    Councilmember Kshama Sawant
    kshama.sawant@seattle.gov

     

     

  • ACG October 12, 2016 (12:37 pm)

     A quick question to TR- will you be allowed to attend that council meeting on Friday and report who is voting yes or no?  Or is it a closed session to media?  Thanks

    • WSB October 12, 2016 (12:44 pm)

      I updated the story a little while ago – haven’t directly confirmed this myself yet but supposedly the committee’s chair Sally Bagshaw is saying they won’t VOTE on Friday. Meeting is still on, but no vote. I plan to cover it in person as of this writing BUT if the storm is a factor on Friday morning, weather coverage is our priority and I won’t be able to leave WS. However, committee hearings are webcast/broadcast/streamed live by Seattle Channel so even if I can’t go downtown I’ll be watching live and anyone with an Internet connection can too – http://seattlechannel.org – the video is always archived so you also can watch later (usually a couple hours’ turnaround time) – TR

      • ACG October 12, 2016 (12:49 pm)

        Thx, TR.  Can’t say enough how lucky we are to have professional journalists such as you and Patrick keeping us so well informed.  We are grateful for the tireless work you do every day for our West Seattle community.

      • flimflam October 12, 2016 (10:07 pm)

        weather coverage is a priority over this issue?

        • WSB October 12, 2016 (10:37 pm)

          Yes, if we have trees down, 55 mph winds, power outages, etc. Getting downtown for what will be an elbow-to-elbow 9:30 am hearing means an hour and a half off the desk. We’ll cover whatever happens with this, of course, regardless, via Seattle Channel if need be. Remember, they’re not voting, so this isn’t the final showdown. But if the storm does NOT wreak havoc, then we’re going downtown. – TR

  • Bernard October 12, 2016 (12:56 pm)

    People in Seattle think they’re liberal and open until they’re faced with legislation. Then they use code words like safety, when they really mean, fear of poor people.  Why are poor people so scary and dangerous to everyone.  Hmm, Seattle hypocrisy. 

    • Chuck October 12, 2016 (1:35 pm)

      Nice try, Bernard. There is liberal, and then there’s just plain common sense. Speaking for myself, I am liberal enough to vote for and support all social welfare programs that would actually HELP the homeless. I do not support an influx of strangers who have no community ties or vested interest in protecting the health of the (parks) environment and its visitors. It is not hypocritical to want to help the homeless, but then ask for a voice in saying what that help should look like (or not look like). Supporting the idea of people camping in my beloved Lincoln Park who have no regard (or ability) to safeguard its treasured green spaces is not being “liberal.” It’s being irresponsible at the most dangerous of levels for all involved. 

    • B October 12, 2016 (1:45 pm)

      Mostly because they’re drug addicted zombies that tend to steal, crap, and otherwise destroy their surroundings. 

      All of them? Of course not. Lots of them? Yes. 

      Storing them in the park is a terrible idea. Where do they use the restroom? Where do they put their trash? Our parks department is already overburdened cleaning up parks, now you want to put permanent residents in them? 

      The idea solves nothing but moving the homeless from spot A to spot B. That may be great if you own spot A, not so much otherwise. 

    • Bradley October 12, 2016 (3:27 pm)

      Bernard, I wouldn’t want tech-billionaires/millionaires living in our parks, either.

  • Mike October 12, 2016 (1:13 pm)

    Everyone needs to email these council members!  This is absolutely nuts.  They all need to be voted out if this goes through.  Ridiculous!

  • Gina October 12, 2016 (1:33 pm)

    Makes me think that this idea came from SHARE, the folks that screw over the homeless. 

    Even trailer parks on the unused terminals would be a better plan.  And that would be a dumb plan.

  • ACG October 12, 2016 (1:39 pm)

    Bernard-

    Thanks for NOT being well informed.  It IS a safety issue. 

    How about a Good Samaritan getting stabbed in Woodland Park  when he tried to stop a rape of a homeless woman in one of these illegal camping areas in a park

    http://komonews.com/news/local/police-man-stabbed-while-trying-to-stop-attack-on-woman-in-woodland-park

     

    Or schoolchildren not being able to walk to their elementary school because of needles and used condoms strewn  near their playground from another illegal homeless camper

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/parents-dirty-needles-condoms-litter-path-near-school-playground/309444179

     

    Or how about football teams having to clear needles off of their football field before kids can safely practice.  Or the group of kids playing on a sports field who were so traumatized watching first responders trying to revive a homeless person who OD’d right in front of them.  Or maybe the adults who are harassed when trying to ask illegal homeless campers to move out of the way so that the park can be used for what it was intended for

    http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/camping-in-the-end-zone-how-seattles-homeless-crisis-is-spilling-onto-playing-fields/452047508

     

    Ok, there is only a SMALL amount of proof that we, the INFORMED people of Seattle feel that this is a major safety issue.   Where is your PROOF that we are only “using code words like safety, when they really mean fear of poor people”

     

     

  • Rico October 12, 2016 (1:45 pm)

    Bernard, I am fairly certain that people who have concerns with this issue would feel the same if it was millionaires leaving garbage, stolen bikes, needles, human waste all over our public property, preventing use of playfields etc.

  • stb October 12, 2016 (1:57 pm)

    To Bernard,

    No, we’re not afraid of poor people.  We are furious at the thought of our parks and open spaces being turned into garbage dumps and open sewers as is happening all along our freeways.  We just voted in an enormous levy to fund services for the homeless.  And now the best the city council can come up with is, “Never mind, we give up, just go camp somewhere?”  It is a ridiculous and insulting non-solution, especially now that storm season is upon us.

  • Just an Observation October 12, 2016 (2:01 pm)

    “Why are poor people so scary and dangerous to everyone”.


    This kind of statement is what and how this has gone this far. I am not afraid of poor people. I am against anyone living in public parks poor or rich. I would have the same reaction if people who  lived in houses decided to camp in the parks instead of campgrounds leaving behind the toxic piles of garbage, defacating all over the place, arming themselves with deadly weapons, shooting drugs and leaving needles all over the place. I don’t care if you are rich or poor. And if the council dosn’t think this will encorage others to camp in a nice waterfront spot come summer they don’t deserve to be paid to serve the public. 

  • dcn October 12, 2016 (2:03 pm)

    @Bernard, go visit a few homeless camping sites and you will see why people do not want this in our parks. It isn’t so much fear of homeless people, as it is fear of what they leave behind, i.e. needles, feces, and large amounts of trash. And yes, drug addiction is a factor for many homeless, making some of them potentially dangerous, as seen with the multiple shootings in the jungle and the recent stabbing in Woodland Park.

  • Jack Sparra October 12, 2016 (2:04 pm)

    Bernard – liberal and open does equate to re-purposing our parks for homeless camp grounds. Let’s re-purpose our golf courses, beaches and ALL THE LAND that will become open with the removal of the viaduct…I know and the shipping terminal and open pier…oh, but that’s CASH for the City.

    Homelessness is a problem. Let’s address that without the penalty of losing what is so valued by all and makes our communities valuable…that also equals CASH for the City

    How about AMAZON and friends build a darn high rise for the homeless! NOW we’re talkin.

  • DC October 12, 2016 (2:21 pm)

    Email sent. Here’s a trim list of the council member emails for folks to cut and paste to your email message. Please speak up via email. (Thanks to those that responded to Bernard. Well said!)

    sally.bagshaw@seattle.gov, lorena.gonzalez@seattle.gov, bruce.harrell@seattle.gov, rob.johnson@seattle.gov, mike.obrien@seattle.gov, kshama.sawant@seattle.gov, tim.burgess@seattle.gov

  • WSince86 October 12, 2016 (2:41 pm)

    Thanks for the shortened list of addresses, DC!  

    There were two missing from your list so are added below .  Letter being drafted !

    lisa.herbold@seattle.gov,

    debora.juarez@seattle.gov

  • CB October 12, 2016 (3:00 pm)

    I am assuming that when they do vote, that Lisa Herbold will be voting “yes” to this asinine proposal that she is co-sponsoring.  If that is the case, I  would like to know what the recall process is.  WSB do you happen to know?  Please inform. 

  • WS October 12, 2016 (3:07 pm)

    This is such an amazing, caring neighborhood. Thanks to all who are speaking up and know that camping isn’t a safe or compassionate solution for anyone. Wrote and called Herbold’s office; was told no one was there to offer Lisa’s current position on 118794, but that Andra Kranzler (andra.kranzler@seattle.gov) is the staffer handling the issue. Campaign vets will tell you that a volume of phone calls can be more effective than mass emails…

  • Kadoo October 12, 2016 (5:31 pm)

    I’m with Chuck!

  • Jerald October 12, 2016 (5:45 pm)

    Just thought I’d point out that Tim Burgess and Lorena Gonzalez are the two “at-large” council members, so equally answerable to West Seattle.

  • rob October 12, 2016 (6:17 pm)

      its not if they do this we should vote them  out.       the fact that they even brought up this idea should be more then enough to clean house

    • Pops October 12, 2016 (9:47 pm)

      I agree.

      Our elected officials should be voting the way their constituents feel. If th e council passes when 95% of Seattle residents are opposed, I hope we can recall the council quickly or at least vote for someone else next time.

      Where is the leadership from the mayor!?

  • New Thinking Needed October 12, 2016 (8:56 pm)

    Thanks for putting the council member’s e-mails here – I used them to voice my NO on this silly idea. Public areas are for all citizens to enjoy and should not be turned into someone’s ‘home’.  Sometimes I do think Seattle needs a babysitter!

  • flimflam October 12, 2016 (10:10 pm)

    interesting that the mayor has been silent for weeks – other than softening up the city for safe injection sites.

  • Double Dub Resident October 13, 2016 (6:57 am)

    LOL @Bernard .

     Listen to your opening statement about how people think they’re liberal until legislation like this comes up,  as if being  liberal is so high and mighty.  Give me a break.  I used to think of myself as fairly liberal and still am on certain issues,  but I’m finding myself moving away as our so called progressive leaders keep making one asinine decision after another.  If liberal is synonymous with this legislation I want no part of it,  because it is flat out dumb  

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