FOLLOWUP: Neighbors sit down at the table with Pecos Pit restaurant reps to talk traffic/safety concerns

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(WSB photo, Tuesday morning, taken from Genesee looking south at restaurant location)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The Pecos Pit Barbecue restaurant at 35th and Fauntleroy is expected to be open by mid-May.

That’s what representatives said at a meeting last night meant to address community safety concerns about the site, primarily stemming from its addition of a drive-through window.

“A lot of good solutions and ideas here tonight,” observed René Commons of the Junction Neighborhood Organization, organizer of the meeting, as it wrapped up. She stressed that the neighborhood is excited about the restaurant – whose plan for the two-years-closed teriyaki shack at 4400 35th SW was first reported here one year ago – but wants to be sure safety and traffic-flow concerns are addressed.

This was the second “community outreach meeting” involving neighbors and restaurant reps. Pecos Pit was represented by business-development vice president Nick Nordby, Jeremy McLachlan (a West Seattle resident) from operations, and Paul Krakow from real estate. Along with about half a dozen JuNO members and neighbors, City Councilmember Lisa Herbold sent rep Alex Clardy.

What was discussed answered some questions that have come up here on WSB in previous discussions:

Commons recapped what was discussed last time: 11 am-11 pm hours, delivery trucks will be in the early-morning vicinity. The Pecos Pit team explained that its meat is smoked offsite, at a facility in Southcenter, and no cooking is done at the restaurant – “no hoods” – so no grilling smoke or similar emissions. The hot food will be “warmed” at the restaurant.

Their delivery trucks are “small box trucks”; the only bigger trucks expected are from Coca-Cola and Franz bakery. Also, the company is adamant that the restaurant is “not a bar” – they expect to sell one type of draft beer and a “moonshine cocktail, kind of like a mint julep with a lot of citrus” but they’re still working on the branding. They’ll have three to five tables outside in season. They plan to “beautify the whole area with plants and some amazing vegetation.”

The one entrance to the site will be the west-east alley entrance north of the 7-11. That will lead either to the much-discussed drive-thru lane on the east side of the property, or to parking – three spaces right along the alley by 35th, at least 8 in the back of the old substation building to the east. That was something new. Customers who park there will have to walk into the alley and around to the restaurant, which will have a front door roughly where the old teriyaki restaurant did, facing 35th.

The other curb cut on 35th will be closed. They’ll be repaving the lot and, asked by a participant, might consider some kind of lights/signage to alert people to pedestrians crossing the driveways. The safety of people walking in the alley also was raised as a concern. There will be some fencing to enhance safety and to reinforce the lines and boundaries on the lot and the parking.

Pecos Pit reps reiterated that they expect 6 to 10 vehicles through the drive-through on average per hour, maybe some daily spikes, but they “don’t think it’s going to be a Taco Time type issue,” referring to the hugely popular drive-through fast-food restaurant across 35th from the future barbecue joint.

Commons said she is hopeful it will be clear to drivers heading out of the drive-through and onto eastbound SW Genesee that “You’re in a neighborhood now.” And yes, the Pecos Pit team said, they’re very well aware it will be a “busier” neighborhood as a result of their operation.

Another vehicle issue: As is increasingly common for restaurants (outside the pizza trade, anyway), they plan to use third-party services for delivery. They might have employees who deliver on foot to nearby residences (hundreds of apartments and condos are within a few blocks). “We’ll see what the demand is for that,” Nordby observed, suggesting people might be more interested in eating their “sloppy sandwiches” at the restaurant. They reiterated that things will evolve – they won’t know what the patronage patterns are until they open.

Neighbors voiced concerns including people running red lights at 35th and Fauntleroy, and their concerns that it’s “going to be a very sensitive traffic issue.” Wayne Scamuffa wondered if there might have been more of a neighborhood-friendly design if the restaurant operators had reached out to neighbors sooner, since it’s not incumbent on the city to have done so.

Krakow said that the area was designed for medium density and the nearby residents have been lucky to have had things so quiet for a while. He acknowledged they probably “should have” reached out to the neighbors sooner, “but that’s why we’re here now … I’m sure there will be issues … how do we deal with them, collectively?” He also said they hope to be good neighbors, including arranging to clean up a messy triangle of publicly owned land nearby.

The meeting ended amicably. It’s been a month since the city agreed to re-evaluate traffic around the restaurant if the drive-through seems to be causing problems.

29 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: Neighbors sit down at the table with Pecos Pit restaurant reps to talk traffic/safety concerns"

  • Eric March 2, 2016 (5:16 pm)

    Love me some Pecos, but this is a terrible location

    • John Pitt March 3, 2016 (7:54 am)

      Whats wrong with this location that isn’t wrong with any other residential street in the city adjacent to bustling business districts?

      • Erich March 3, 2016 (4:45 pm)

        It is in an absurdly difficult to access location due to being right at the entrance/exit for the West Seattle Bridge.  I never visited the teriyaki joint when it was open because it was such a pain in the ass to get to.  I suspect my patronage of the new business will be on the same level for the same reason.

  • West Seattle Hipster March 2, 2016 (5:25 pm)

    Traffic/Safety concerns?  Have these concerned folks ever been to the coffee place one block the SW?   

    • WSB March 2, 2016 (5:30 pm)

      Yes, the SBUX drive-thru has come up. That building had been a drive-thru for a long time, pre-dating us (Rainier Roaster, 2000-2001 construction per http://web6.seattle.gov/DPD/PermitStatus/Project.aspx?id=2001491 ), so I don’t know what review process if any went into it before it went up. It also doesn’t feed into a residential street (nor do either of the other two 35th/Avalon drive-throughs), which is the heart of the concerns voiced by neighbors here (Genesee, onto which exiting drive-thru customers will turn, is residential), and I probably need to add a few words to clarify that for anybody who hasn’t read past coverage. – TR

      • sam-c March 3, 2016 (8:47 am)

        Regardless of whether or not SBUX is in residential area, it still causes traffic problems. I see people stopped in the travel lanes on Avalon, waiting to get into the SBUX drive through.    It doesn’t help that the green for people traveling westbound on Avalon, turning onto Fauntleroy, is really short, like you could be the sixth car back, waiting on a green, and not make it through (in either lane).

  • Franci March 2, 2016 (6:07 pm)

    The expectation of 6 – 10 vehicles at the drive-up an  hour is a bit unrealistic I think..    Anyone who has ever driven by the SODO location at lunch time can attest to the long line of people queued up to order.    Although I’m not in that area at lunch anymore – so I can’t speak to what its like now, it used to be very long lines.

     It will be interesting to see what it is really like during the lunch and dinner hours. 

  • wetone March 2, 2016 (6:18 pm)

    Can anyone show one example in the city of Seattle,  of a drive thru diner that exits into a 1 lane residential neighborhood ? What a  joke and in your face statement this is :      “Krakow said that the area was designed for medium density and the nearby residents have been lucky to have had things so quiet for a while. He acknowledged they probably “should have” reached out to the neighbors sooner, “but that’s why we’re here now … I’m sure there will be issues …” 

    The reason area neighborhoods never had to worry about something like this before is past city leaders and building department  would not have allowed it. But todays leaders show care little about neighborhoods, it’s all about $$$$$$$ and help those that help you. Still would like to know how much city  light brings in from rent of property and of the newly acquired 8 parking spots…….

    • Joe March 2, 2016 (7:01 pm)

      IMO the problem is there is no (or not enough) downward pressure from a large enough group. Also, the city says they will re evaluate if traffic gets bad.  Paraphrasing Mr Redmond but it’s like good luck with that. The city has the power to do what it wants. The city can say volumes fit in with their density dynamic formula no matter the reality. Plus the business will already be open then so it’s too late.

      • Rick March 2, 2016 (8:39 pm)

        Kind of like evaluating what happens after you let the horses out of the barn.  Did that on the farm.  Once.  The pols have sold the keys to the city and we suffer the con$equence$. 

      • John Pitt March 3, 2016 (7:57 am)

        “IMO the problem is there is no (or not enough) downward pressure from a large enough group.”

        is this a call for a West Seattle Not In My Backyard Coalition because seriously our name is already mud in the halls of power aside from the the transit coalition people, so, please don’t this. We definitely do not need a WSNIMBC.

    • John Pitt March 3, 2016 (7:55 am)

      “Can anyone show one example in the city of Seattle,  of a drive thru diner that exits into a 1 lane residential neighborhood ?”

      There are a couple in the Rainier Valley and one in Lake City in primarily minority neighbhorhoods, so We have no leg to stand on here.

  • Thee March 2, 2016 (6:29 pm)

    “Kraków said the area was designed for medium density and the nearby residents have been lucky to have had things so quiet for a while.”

    Oh really? A note to Kraków: This is not an “area” and these are not “residents”. This is a neighborhood and we are tax paying families. Business and city policies are wrecking both, but at least Lisa was able to muster enough backbone to “send someone.”

    Yeah… Thanks for that…

  • Joe March 2, 2016 (6:36 pm)

    I didn’t know about the meeting. Were left turns from 35th southbound addressed?

  • Christopher March 2, 2016 (7:07 pm)

    Is that really what Krokow said?!?  Wow what a slap in the face to the neighborhood.  Googled their names … Krakow lives in Tacoma or Lakewood.  Nordby lives in Kirkland.  Hardly locals who care anything about quality of life in West Seattle.

  • TheKing March 2, 2016 (8:37 pm)

    I am glad they are coming. Better than a run down rat infested building for drug users to shack in. As far as the potential traffic issues, it can’t be stressed enough that drivers put down their phone and just pay attention to their surroundings. Just like the guy sitting in the silver car, middle of the intersection on his phone as I was trying to turn southbound 35th ave from the WS bridge this morning. I couldn’t go on the green because he was blocking the lane and on his phone. 

  • KT March 2, 2016 (8:46 pm)

    The Pecos Pit team explained that its meat is smoked offsite, at a facility in Southcenter, and no cooking is done at the restaurant – “no hoods” – so no grilling smoke or similar emissions. The hot food will be “warmed” at the restaurant.”  Hmmm, let’s see how that works.  As for traffic, I think access into/out of this place may be so difficult as to make their patronage much lower than feared.

  • KM March 2, 2016 (9:35 pm)

    The team of Pecos cannot do anything about bad drivers, best to direct those issues to those who can.

    Good to see life in that area! Drive thrus in cities are always a bit interesting, that KFC drive thru exit cracks me up, it must be a pain getting out of there!

  • weiss March 2, 2016 (10:02 pm)

    I only take the lower bridge when commuting to work. I know I always turn down this street if Avalon is backed up onto 35th. I’m sure I am not alone and I’m sure the residents have noticed. Yet, there’s nothing remotely illegal about it. It is most definitely a neighborhood, yes,  and I sympathise. But it is also a neighborhood at the exit and entrance to the largest ‘burb in the largest city in the entire state. Surely ‘collateral damage’ to such a location would have to be expected at some point. At least this joint offers parking. 

  • cj March 3, 2016 (2:50 am)

    I love Pecos Pit and I hope it does well.  Please do not change the BBQ recipes they are so good just as they are.  <3

  • Pile-o-Rox March 3, 2016 (7:38 am)

    While I sympathize with those who will be affected, I have to agree with Weiss, above. 

     

    Surely, something like this must have been expected at some point given the location – and its not a bad thing either. Quite frankly, this passageway has been underutilized for a long time.

  • John Pitt March 3, 2016 (8:01 am)

    The Kraken guy’s right and so is Weiss. You live literally a rocks throw from the downtown core of the 18th most populated city in North America. Count your lucky blessings and Holy Rosary’s and Torah’s that you managed to stay quiet as long as you did. This is like people a block off of Queen Anne Avenue or off of Denny complaining that people are cutting down their street. Our hood hasn’t been country bumpkin since before westwood village and white center were blueberry farms. Get with the times people.

    • Matt S. March 12, 2016 (12:33 am)

      Are you sure you could find someone that could throw a rock that far?

  • Lola March 3, 2016 (8:17 am)

    I can picture the traffic backing up onto 35th from the drive-thru.  You only have to look across the street to see how many people are lined up at Taco Time during the day or the dinner hour to know that this drive-thru will become a problem.  Peco’s will be a much smaller drive thru so I see the traffic backing up onto 35th with people just trying to get into the drive-thru.  It will be a mess for people trying to get onto the bridge from 35th. 

  • Wsgal March 3, 2016 (11:42 am)

    the mess of parking/traffic may encourage more walkers although, if you’re coming from another area of west Seattle- not sure where anyone will park nearby to walk. Good for the neighborhood I suppose. 

  • John March 3, 2016 (3:55 pm)

    I think we should ask all the businesses in West Seattle to leave so we don’t have to deal with crowds. I mean come on, we don’t live in a city where theirs a healthy commerce or the values of our houses to be worth anything right. West Seattle should focus on being more like living in Ravensdale.

    Exactly,  where the hell is Ravensdale! lol

    If you want to limit people on your street buy it from the city and close it down. People have lost their minds complaining about a business opening up and possibly causing traffic on “their” public road. 

    • jetcitygirl March 3, 2016 (10:39 pm)

      It is interesting to note if this site had been SOLD by Seattle City Light to a developer – RATHER than LEASED- the project would have been veted through DPD Design Review process and a traffic study would have been asked for and the project most likely would have been denied the drive through. The current City of Seattle Comprehensive Development Plan does not support vehicular drive throughs in urban villages such as the West Seattle Junction. 

      Pecos Pit Bar B Q is welcome and will work with the community. The drive through impact is unknown. 

  • UrbanPrincess March 5, 2016 (9:15 am)

    The location is not friendly to drivers or pedestrians who
    use public transit. I ride the bus. Pecos in SODO has been one of my long time
    fav treats to stop by on a day off. As excited as I am that they are coming to
    West Seattle. I don’t see myself going to that location for the same reason I don’t
    make to Jones BBQ on Fauntleroy.   Coming from downtown, the closest bus stop is
    way down the hill on Avalon (the C-Line does not stop there), or way up on 35th
    and Snoqualmie. So one would have to get off the bus and walk several blocks to
    go there. As it is, the current bus stop situation makes former customers who
    ride the bus decide against patronizing KFC and Taco Time on 35 & Avalon,
    because it’s just too inconvenient. When there was a bus stop right at KFC on
    35th, it was easy to stop at those restaurants, and maybe even
    consider walking the extra distance to the out of the way new Pecos location,
    and then return to that corner to catch a bus home.   As much as I like Pecos, I wish they had
    chosen a more pedestrian friendly location. I don’t see myself hiking up to
    that location from Avalon &Genesee, or down from 35th &
    Snoqualmie being worth it. I’m hoping that when the construction is complete
    that the 35th & Avalon bus stop will be restored so that more of
    the transit riders who want to stop and pick up a meal from KFC, Taco Time or
    Pecos can do so without having to call UBER to get home.

    • WSB March 5, 2016 (9:40 am)

      Yes, the 35th/Avalon southbound stop is supposed to be in front of Aura when it is complete – you can even see it in the rendering on the project’s website: http://aurawestseattle.com/

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